GUNS & AMMO

Thats a collector right there, and it still works!

I'm not really into guns I can't use. Right now I've got two (not counting unassembled kits waiting on parts or time). An old auto loading 20 gauge that belongs to my sister and this pre-1900 double ten. It's either a well-respected English gun or a knock off Belgian copy, don't know yet. Too bad my grandfather never cared about shotguns so didn't take care of it.

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My oldest shooters is my beloved Colt 1903. .32 inches of fury.
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I like old guns.

New guns are just not as pretty.
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y'all is a bunch of idiots. all this "keep it simple and lite" BS is annoying. whatever though, i've almost been hitting the gym long enough to be able to take my new rifle to the range. and once I actually take it out, you'll be soooo jeally of it. (and then i'll steal your girlfriend too.)

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y'all is a bunch of idiots. all this "keep it simple and lite" BS is annoying. whatever though, i've almost been hitting the gym long enough to be able to take my new rifle to the range. and once I actually take it out, you'll be soooo jeally of it. (and then i'll steal your girlfriend too.)

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Is that a gun or a submarine?:laugh3:
 
not sure yet what ill be getting but, ill be picking a little something up this weekend.
ill post a pic as soon as i can =]
 
My stupid tax return needs to deposit itself into my bank account already. I want to get my XD .45 and CCW now.

I took the wife with me yesterday to go shooting. She did good. I had her on the SKS, a 12 ga Mossberg, and a 9mm pistol.

There was also a guy up there with another SKS that I got to shoot. His was an all original Yugoslav model. That thing shot really nice.
 
There was also a guy up there with another SKS that I got to shoot. His was an all original Yugoslav model. That thing shot really nice.

SKSs are nice.

Hmm, I have these filed wrong - The below is actually a Romanian built in '58, I'll have to fix that.
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Everything's better with strippers!
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I also have a Yugo 59/66 built in '79, no photos though.
 
I don't use those, mine has detachable mags

I wish I had the original stock for mine, I actually liked how that other one shot a little better.

You need to make sure you bring your AK on the 24th. I've yet to shoot one and really want too. I like the use of a piston for moving the bolt back so much more than the direct impingement method of the AR's. It keeps the weapon so much cleaner after a day of shooting.

I've heard of people converting the AR15 to a gas piston setup. I have yet to look into it though. I might if/when I build my AR.
 
The piston driven systems are nothing new in the AR world. The market for them is growing quickly and most every AR company puts out a piston gun. I've shot the Ruger SR-5.56 and the Sig 556 piston rifles and liked them both. They're smoother than gas impingement rifles and the ability to adjust the system is nice instead of having to take down your rifle to clean the gas tube and the piston system seems better suited for SBRs. With that said, I dont see a good enough reason to pay the difference in price. But I'm cheap.



p.s. the rifle in that link is pretty cool.
 
You mean the price difference on an AR?

I'm not sure how much more it costs to have a piston system on an AR but for a field use weapon I can see it being well worth the cost. On the other hand an AK is cheaper already. There are definitely some design advantages between the 2 different platforms and minus cost I think an AR w/ a piston system would take the cake. The only other issue I see is with the increased proliferation of body armor the 5.56 isn't cutting it any more. That said, I don't think the 7.62 does either. I've personally met people in theater that survived 7 shots to their chest plates with zero penetration by 7.62x39. The ceramic plates we wear are meant/designed for 3. And soft tissue ballistics will show that from a 20" barrel the 5.56 will do more internal damage.

I think that's where the 6.8 comes in. It is designed specifically for shorter barrels. The 5.56 is most effective when fired through a 20" barrel. The issue being that the M4 only has a 14" barrel.

Obviously for real stopping power and penetration a .308/7.62nato will take the cake. The issue there being ammo weight, weapon weight, barrel length, and recoil.

That's why the mid-range rounds like 5.56 and 7.62x39 were developed. Matt knows more about ammo than I do so I'll wait for him to chime in and school me.
 
For me my ARs are all about DI. If I want a piston gun I'll just use a different platform.

If I could find one and it wasn't banned here I'd consider going after an AR180 to have the piston and a rifle that you don't see every day.


Pulled that Yugo out last night. Realized I had forgotten to clean it last time I shot it some 1.5 - 2 years back. Last shot Yugo surplus though it so boy was it FILTHY. Spent an hour cleaning it last night, should take some photos later today if the little girl goes down for a proper nap.
 
I have read from all over the net pretty much split 50/50 with is the gas piston conversions for the AR platform worth it. I was thinking of doing a conversion but haven't felt super compelled yet.

You check out the debates on AR15.com and the thread ends up being an argument with examples on either side.

Current off the shelf piston AR's are expensive $1000 plus. Aftermarket kits from CMMG, Osprey, and Adam arms are nice but are $350 for the conversion. CMMG is my fav as theirs has an adjustment for the gas block. Also the piston kits do not work with all handguards that are on the market and each have small quirks that I see.

I don't seriously think it is that BIG of an issue. Keep your upper clean and don't shoot shit ammo.................. :explosion
 
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The only other issue I see is with the increased proliferation of body armor the 5.56 isn't cutting it any more. That said, I don't think the 7.62 does either. I've personally met people in theater that survived 7 shots to their chest plates with zero penetration by 7.62x39. The ceramic plates we wear are meant/designed for 3. And soft tissue ballistics will show that from a 20" barrel the 5.56 will do more internal damage.

I think that's where the 6.8 comes in. It is designed specifically for shorter barrels. The 5.56 is most effective when fired through a 20" barrel. The issue being that the M4 only has a 14" barrel.

Obviously for real stopping power and penetration a .308/7.62nato will take the cake. The issue there being ammo weight, weapon weight, barrel length, and recoil.

That's why the mid-range rounds like 5.56 and 7.62x39 were developed. Matt knows more about ammo than I do so I'll wait for him to chime in and school me.

The 5.56mm is dated for stopping power, but the good old .308 is large a lot of recoil and heavy.

That is why I am so intrigued with the .300 BLK (7.62x35mm) same ballistic and better at the 300 meter mark than the russian 7.62x39. Uses all the same hardware other than the barrel as a 5.56mm.

I am about ready to convert the PUNISHER 5.56 in to a .300 black out. I like the bigger projectile floating down stream.

I saw a ballistics chart of the difference with 16" and 20" barrel and the muzzle velocity only increased 100 fps with M855 rounds. So there is not a lot of advantages of running a longer barrel.

6.8spc is a larger bullet but from what I read does not of any more advantage for distance than the 5.56mm. What I did here is it loses a lot at 300 meters and beyond. Also the changes to the AR for it to work is a lot more than .300 BLK and the mags are pricy and only hold 25-26 rds.

Here is some cool charts of the .300 BLK compared to 5.56mm and 7.62x39; (muzzle energy can be more important than velocity a feather and a brick both traveling at 1000fps the feather wont hurt so much the brick.............yes)

9-Inch AAC Blackout Ballistics
@ Muzzle:
5.56mm - M855 2558 ft/s, 901 ft-lb
300 BLK - 155 gr SMK 1785 ft/s, 1096 ft-lb (22% over 5.56mm)
7.62x39mm - 123 gr* 2022 ft/s. 1117 ft-lb
6.8 SPC - Hornady TAP 110* 2157 ft/s. 1136 ft-lb
300 BLK - 123gr MC 2130 ft/s, 1238 ft-lb (37% over 5.56mm, 9% over 6.8 SPC TAP 110)

16-Inch AAC Blackout Ballistics
@ Muzzle:
5.56mm - M855 2938 ft/s, 1188 ft-lb
300 BLK, 155 gr SMK 1940 ft/s, 1294 ft-lb (9% over 5.56mm)
7.62x39mm Win - 123 gr SP 2245 ft/s, 1377 ft-lb
300 BLK - 123 gr MC 2315 ft/s, 1462 ft-lb (23% over 5.56mm, 6% over Win 123 gr 7.62x39mm)
Remington 6.8mm SPC - 115v gr MC 2400 ft/s. 1471 ft-lb (1% over 300 BLK)
6.8 SPC - Hornady TAP 110 2540 ft/s, 1576 ft-lb (8% over 300 BLK)
 
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I know I've posted this elsewhere but I like the photo and...proud of my kid.

He was 7 at the time behind my RR .308
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That is awesome! I can't wait to get my kid shooting. He's only 8mo old now, so I have a little waiting to do. Which is hard for an instant-gratification person like myself. I want him in the driver's seat of my XJ too...

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This crappy image is of my Remington 700 .243 with a 9-13" bipod and a 4-16x40 red/green mildot scope.
 
Man working from home has its perks. Just had a photo shoot with a few items.


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Since NATO 22mm rifle grenades are available everywhere the state insists the standard Yugo SKS grenade launcher not enter its borders. Instead of naked threads I found a place that could make me a thread protector in case I ever decide to put something on there (or move to a state that allows it to go back to original condition).
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And the simple A2 build (complete with ten round legally defined as fixed magazine, everybody knows that rounds eleven and greater are only up to no good).
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The carbine will have to wait, I was too lazy to tear down the rifle to make it. I haven't gotten around to picking up another stripped lower yet.
 
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The carbine will have to wait, I was too lazy to tear down the rifle to make it. I haven't gotten around to picking up another stripped lower yet.

Why is that mag release sticking out so far? Did you do that on purpose to have easy access?
 
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