tbburg
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Couple of points:
The OP asked for a place to buy shotgun parts, and recommendations on accessories to add. We've spent 2 pages arguing about bayonets, and defensive tactics. 'Little off topic guys.
Get a shotgun.
Learn to use it.(that means practice)
Add an extended mag/butt cuff if you like
a decent set of sights when you can afford it.
A forend-mounted flashlight.
Interestingly, Jeff Cooper (who probably really thought more about guns and their use then the rest of us combined) came to the conclusion that the best home defense shotgun was a short, side by side, open hammer, double barrel, with a butt cuff.
On the subject of home defense shotgun loads. How many of us live in 10,000 sq. ft. homes? Sometime measure the longest straight line shot you can get inside the house. Longer then 20 feet? Not by much I'll bet. Now take your shotgun and fire it at a drywall target at that longest distance you measured. You'll be looking at a single hole smaller then your fist. Shot size doesn't matter much at 10 feet. For that matter, a bean bag will punch a hole in through a wall at contact distance. Right out of the barrel, #7s are in a quarter size pattern. Until the shot has time to spread, it acts like a single projectile. #4s penetrate less then 00, which penetrates less then a slug, but only after the shot has time to separate.
In home defense, slugs are good for shooting at/into cars, and for long ranges(say, more then 20 yards) What home defense scenarios have you doing that? #4s up through 00 in the gun(7 rounds), slugs in a buttstock carrier(2, plus 3 spare shot rounds). If you've got time to think about what KIND of bullet to shoot the perp with, you probably have time to choose what gun to shoot him with.
Anybody who hasn't given the after-shooting legal consequences any thought: Buy and read "In the gravest extreme" by Massad Ayoob. 'Bit of an eye-opener there.
Anybody remember the home invasion video posted last year? Under 30 seconds from the time the car stopped moving until the bad guys were clear of the house and fleeing.
8mud: You suffered a home invasion. How long from initial confrontation until you're first shot? More then 30 seconds?
You really want to prepare for a home invasion? Strengthen you doors so they can't be opened with a single blow. 'Probably means changing the doors: No hollow core or foam filled.
Change the knob/lock to what's called an automatic dead-bolt lock(ADB). It's a hotel lock. When the door shuts, the deadbolt throws. PITA to get used to, and everybody has to carry keys, but the door's never left unlocked.
Get your gun to a place you can get to it FAST, from anywhere. "If this were an actual emergency,..." you have maybe 10 seconds(if you're lucky) to get ready, from your first warning(breaking glass or a kick on the door)
All the gun talk is academic unless you can GET TO THE GUN.
Edit: 8Mud beat me to a couple points here
The OP asked for a place to buy shotgun parts, and recommendations on accessories to add. We've spent 2 pages arguing about bayonets, and defensive tactics. 'Little off topic guys.
Get a shotgun.
Learn to use it.(that means practice)
Add an extended mag/butt cuff if you like
a decent set of sights when you can afford it.
A forend-mounted flashlight.
Interestingly, Jeff Cooper (who probably really thought more about guns and their use then the rest of us combined) came to the conclusion that the best home defense shotgun was a short, side by side, open hammer, double barrel, with a butt cuff.
On the subject of home defense shotgun loads. How many of us live in 10,000 sq. ft. homes? Sometime measure the longest straight line shot you can get inside the house. Longer then 20 feet? Not by much I'll bet. Now take your shotgun and fire it at a drywall target at that longest distance you measured. You'll be looking at a single hole smaller then your fist. Shot size doesn't matter much at 10 feet. For that matter, a bean bag will punch a hole in through a wall at contact distance. Right out of the barrel, #7s are in a quarter size pattern. Until the shot has time to spread, it acts like a single projectile. #4s penetrate less then 00, which penetrates less then a slug, but only after the shot has time to separate.
In home defense, slugs are good for shooting at/into cars, and for long ranges(say, more then 20 yards) What home defense scenarios have you doing that? #4s up through 00 in the gun(7 rounds), slugs in a buttstock carrier(2, plus 3 spare shot rounds). If you've got time to think about what KIND of bullet to shoot the perp with, you probably have time to choose what gun to shoot him with.
Anybody who hasn't given the after-shooting legal consequences any thought: Buy and read "In the gravest extreme" by Massad Ayoob. 'Bit of an eye-opener there.
Anybody remember the home invasion video posted last year? Under 30 seconds from the time the car stopped moving until the bad guys were clear of the house and fleeing.
8mud: You suffered a home invasion. How long from initial confrontation until you're first shot? More then 30 seconds?
You really want to prepare for a home invasion? Strengthen you doors so they can't be opened with a single blow. 'Probably means changing the doors: No hollow core or foam filled.
Change the knob/lock to what's called an automatic dead-bolt lock(ADB). It's a hotel lock. When the door shuts, the deadbolt throws. PITA to get used to, and everybody has to carry keys, but the door's never left unlocked.
Get your gun to a place you can get to it FAST, from anywhere. "If this were an actual emergency,..." you have maybe 10 seconds(if you're lucky) to get ready, from your first warning(breaking glass or a kick on the door)
All the gun talk is academic unless you can GET TO THE GUN.
Edit: 8Mud beat me to a couple points here
