Rubicon Trail - June 26 - 30, 2010

I think you have a good head on your shoulders.

If you wait till later in the season, I'll be down to go - but when I go, it will be Wed thru Mon of the next week. Granted, I'm going later no matter what you do, even if I go alone. :)
 
ocean_jet said:
Well, I think it comes down to this... even if folks are able to get through, it is pretty much certain that the trail will be wet and muddy by the time we are scheduled to go.

If we want to wait for it to be dry, I think we will have to postpone the trip.

If we cannot postpone the trip, then we risk contributing to the problems (assuming we can actually get through).

We can (and I hope we would all agree) minimize our impact by taking it slow, not allowing our tires to spin free (but winching instead), being dfiligent about staying on the established trail, etc.

No matter what, we will impact the trail... be it dry or wet. We have to decide what level of impact we are comfortable with, and it we feel we can run it while wet and be certain to minimize our impact.


Of course, that's just my opinion...


What do others think?
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cal said:
I think you have a good head on your shoulders.

If you wait till later in the season, I'll be down to go - but when I go, it will be Wed thru Mon of the next week. Granted, I'm going later no matter what you do, even if I go alone. :)
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cal said:
Know of course that wheeling the rubicon when its still muddy is going to be what gets it closed down.

The word of the year is sedementation.
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Actually its turbidity.:lecture:
 
I guess it's time to get some details dealt with. I will pick up the fire permit we need. I will also get the waste bags for the portable toilet thing. I just need a brand or weblink to put me in the right direction. I also have plenty of fire wood. If 96Jeepspeed can meet me sometime in the next two weeks then I will load him up with as much as he wants. Are you (96Jeepspeed) still considering picking up the toilet thing? We also need someone to regularly monitor the status of the trail and make sure the mud situation will not be a problem. In regards to camping supplies I guess it is going to be easier if we all just deal with our own stuff. Dealing with our own food, tents, icechests, and cooking stuff is probably the easiest option. I'm just going to do my best to pack light.
 
Here is the link for the fire permit. Take a short test and print it out. It's from the Sequoia National Forest site, but the permit is the same and is valid in any National Forest in California.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sequoia/passespermits/campfire_permit/campfire-index.html

I think you guys will be fine with the mud. Just tread lightly. Be aware that the water will probably be VERY deep on the Tahoe side. Probably even deeper than it was in '04 when Cal earned the nickname "Submariner".
 
johnnyc said:
Here is the link for the fire permit. Take a short test and print it out. It's from the Sequoia National Forest site, but the permit is the same and is valid in any National Forest in California.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sequoia/passespermits/campfire_permit/campfire-index.html
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Thanks... I didn't know you could get them online.



For the Wag Bags...

They are about $40 for 12:

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/s...-E881-DE11-B712-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA

Maybe can get them cheaper if we look around. Not sure how many we need. 8 people, 3 days on the trail...???? Do we need to use one to take a whiz... or do we just go behind a tree?



I have access to some wood... Ted, we'll need to arrange a time, but I am thinking a couple days before we leave.

I can also bring an axe and a small chainsaw if we think we will want to cut our own... downed wood can be gathered in the National Forest.



With 8 (I think) of us going, I would think 2 camp stoves would be enough and think 4 big coolers would be plenty... although, we may have a couple dedicated to beer.

What I am wondering about is drinking water. The group site on Saturday has no running water, so we'll need some then. I assume we will need to bring bottled water for the trail, but I do have a small water filter we can use... but it filters pretty slowly, so not sure if that would work.


Tools. Here, I think we can get away with just one full set of tools... I don't think we need 5 Jeeps each carrying tools. So, we should figure that out.

Also, we can probably share some spare parts. I carry replacement axles (although 30 spline D30) and a drive shaft... and brake lines... and a few other things I cannot remember at the moment.

I will have a fire extinguisher and a small first aid kit (ooh... reminds me, I need to contact Cowboydoc about a trauma kit).

Recovery gear. I have a winch (I hope at least a couple other rigs do as well, since I think we will be using them). I carry a tree strap, a long tow strap, a couple shackles, gloves and a snatch block. Oh, and a Hi-Lift.

Hmmm... what else?
 
I will get my tool set organized and will try to have most any tool needed covered, I also have impact and air tools w/ OBA.
I am going to pick up spare 8.25 shafts (27 spline), but it sounds like we have enough D30 shafts. I do have spare CPS, MAP, Thermostat, Radiator Cap.

I also have a winch, tree saver and a snatch strap, Hi-Lift, Axe and Shovel.

Since the trail is fairly short i am guessing we don't need extra fuel?

I will probably bring my 5 gal jerry can of potable water, I got a water bladder to put behind driver seat :)
 
The WAG bags have gone up in price. I bought a box of 50 for $100 a couple of years ago. They are supposedly reusable, but that's kinda nasty to open up a used bag. Figure maybe two per person per day. No, you don't need one to take a whiz. And bring along your own toilet paper. The paper supplied with the WAG bags is hardly sufficient.
 
Alright Webdog I am going to leave my tool bag and hi-lift behind. It also seems like we have enough straps and snatch blocks, so they will stay at home as well. You always seem prepared so I am going to assume you will have any tools we will need. In regards to spare parts, I will have a spare driveshaft (the shorter one for the 242 t-case), 2 spare shocks (for 6" lift), a set u-joint straps, two spicer u-joints, thermostat, radiator cap, some high pressure hose to replace any blown radiator hoses, and a set of wheel studs in case some one sheers them off. I will bring my camp stove which has 2 burners and a grill/griddle. I will also bring my large ice chest which is more then enough for my co-pilot and I. I could easily toss in someone elses stuff so they don't have to haul up an icechest as well. I will be hauling up my ice chest empty and will fill it up with food and drinks in Tahoe right before we head over to the camp sight. I will definatley pick up the "poop bags". If the cost on those gets out of control then I may need some reimbursing when we meet up at camp.
 
Alright, I just ordered the WAG bags. I ordered two sets of 12. I figured if we are only using these for #2 then that should be enough. The two sets cost almost $75. I talked to the people at campworld and they were shipped today. I should have them by mid week. Should I have ordered more? I was told they can be used multiple times. Not really sure how that works and not really sure I even want to know. If I should have ordered more then someone chime in ASAP.
 
The WAG bags are easily reusable a couple times, beyond that is up to you.

I wouldn't collaborate much on tools, or spare parts. The guy with what you need might have an emergency at the last minute and not make it, or break down on the way up there, or break down to the point that someone needs to go out with them early separating the group........leaving the rest without the stuff you need. Nice to plan together, but best to be self sufficient.

You all need your own ice chests with you're own food. One guy has bad ice chest habits and looses all the ice in a couple days, another guy can make his ice last all week. Plus, accidents happen. Best to take care of your own food, ice and ice chest.

It's going to be wet, so watch what water holes you drive through. Don't drive through any that you don't have to. Especially after you cross the bridge heading into Rubicon Springs stay to the high ground to the right, if you drop into some of the water more to the center and left your Jeep can almost disappear. Mosquitoes are going to be horrible, so be prepared.

Have fun, :)
 
Jes said:
I've always bought my Wag Bags here...

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=121819

...a little over two bucks a poop.
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I looked at their site and they had the best price, but they couldn't guarantee me that I would have them by the trip. Campworld was shipping them from their local store and guaranteed I would have them this week. They were still way cheaper then Bass Pro and a few others.
 
bhicks said:
Alright, I just ordered the WAG bags. I ordered two sets of 12. I figured if we are only using these for #2 then that should be enough. The two sets cost almost $75. I talked to the people at campworld and they were shipped today. I should have them by mid week. Should I have ordered more? I was told they can be used multiple times. Not really sure how that works and not really sure I even want to know. If I should have ordered more then someone chime in ASAP.
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Haha, I'm not sure I really want to use them multiple times either.

How many people are coming? I thought the last count was 8, so that's one per person per day for 3 days.

I was thinking I would like to have 2 a day, just in case.
 
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ocean_jet said:
Haha, I'm not sure I really want to use them multiple times either.

How many people are coming? I thought the last count was 8, so that's one per person per day for 3 days.

I was thinking I would like to have 2 a day, just in case.
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X3 about reusing, especially if Julio uses it before me!

I might pick up a box of 12, maybe someone else wants to pick up an additional box?
 
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