Wonder why I dont trust cops???

I am fortunate to have grown up without having to deal with cops, it's just the way it is around here. And guess what, never mugged, never stolen from, etc. Any time cops were around it was causing trouble because there was flat out nothing to do. I can and will stand by this statement, especially after I got pulled over by 4 cruisers, at least 6 cops. I was told to get out of the vehicle, and made to stand in front of it while they searched it.

What made me a criminal that day? I had a tail light out.

Not to mention the time I was pulled over for my exhaust sounding "louder than that size vehicle normally does". Or the 4 car pileup that a cop caused, yet somehow it was all our fault. Different part of the world, different experiences. Don't discount them or think it's my own fault because yours varies. Im a yes or no just answer the question type of person, for what it's worth.

As far as the video is concerned, if they want to stop it take those 2 cops and give them enough rope to cross the street :D
 
Daedalus454 said:
Pros:
- I can walk down the street in my neighborhood without being mugged
- None of my cars has ever been stolen
- None of my female relatives or friends have ever been accosted or raped
- etc
- etc
- etc

Cons:
- I got a ticket for unsafe passing on the right that I probably deserved, but the cop had a patronizing attitude that pissed me off.

Wow, you guys are pretty shortsighted. Cops are so vital to our personal safety, they put themselves at risk every time they put on their uniform. Thanks to the proliferation of YouTube and camera phones, they are constantly being second-guessed by Internet pundits who are more than happy to base their opinions of a potentially complex situation on a 6 second low-res video clip from teh Intarweb. This of course can result in officers being afraid take any action, lest they make the wrong decision and someone catch it on video. Resulting again in a deterioration of the safety of law-abiding citizens.

I have a great deal of respect for the Police, and I admit, I am going to go out of my way to give a Police officer the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the situation.

My $.02.

I can say the same about my neighborhood and I haven't seen a cop drive down my street in months. When they do show up, it's usually in the spring (when it's warm out) and they write a bunch of parking tickets on cars that have been parking in the same spots for the last year without any apparent problems.

I'll make a short list.

Pluses.
Cop ordered me to get up and walk out of the street after being pushed into a lamp pole by a lane changer on my motorcycle. I had seven broken ribs any of which could have punctured something necessary. The plus is he cleared the lane and got traffic moving again and I didn't bleed to death.
My house was robbed, cops took a report, never heard from them again. The plus was, the insurance actually paid.
Tires and rims were stolen off of my Jeep, In L.A. I actually found them about a month later on some other guys ride. I had serial numbers, receipts and could tell the cops what the original color was on the rims and how many layers of paint they had. The cops blew me off. The plus was, I had the fun of getting my own tires and rims back, which was actually pretty entertaining. we rolled the guys car onto the roof to make removal easier.
Reported a guy trying to sell my little brother Heroin, Cops called me a rat. Never bothered to take a report. The plus was the same dealer took one to the brain pan about a month and a half later.
Minuses.
Stopped to help a little old lady who passed out from the heat and fell into the street. Cops pull up, throw me face down on my hood, cuff me and throw me head first into the back seat of their cruiser. Little old lady store keeper came running out and said, let him go he was trying to help. They stand me up, take the cuffs off and threaten to beat my ass if I filed a report. Little old Lady says, funking Cops.
Girlfriend and me get into an argument, I was a little upset that she gave me an STD. Cops show up and arrest me, stole almost $800 of my bosses money (road money, I was driving truck at the time).
My dog gets off his leash while I'm at the beach. I'm running up the parking lot trying to keep him in sight as he runs through the crowd. Cop runs into me with his car. Bounces me of the side of his cruiser half a dozen times for entertainment (I think the guy had a Napoleon complex, he was like 5'2" tall), his buddies show up, put me face down on a 120 degree plus asphalt (I'm wearing swimming trunks) and pound my face into the pavement a half dozen times. The whole front of my body was blistered from the hot asphalt, they said I was resisting arrest. I had a concussion and had a hard time trying to tell my side of the story. Charged me with interfering with an officer in the performance of his duties. Karma took care of two of them, one got shot in the face, the other died in a cruiser wreck. I lost track of the other three, hopefully they had similarly poor luck. Maybe I should move this to the plus column.

All I ever hear is the law this and the law that. Record number of people in jail, any way you figure it, percentage or straight numbers (you could populate a decent sized country with the number of people in American prisons). More laws on the books than ever before. Is it possible the Cops actually produce more criminals than they arrest?

And by the way, one reason Simi is so nice and safe is the Goodfellas, not the Cops.
 
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Stallacrew: Don't know if its different in AL, but in NY, AZ, and CA - the three states I've lived in, right of way has always been pedestrians first, then bikes, then cars. It has nothing to do with how easily they stop or move, if that was the case, semis would have the legal right of way since they can't stop or turn anywhere near as well as a car, bike, or pedestrian.
 
Seems unanimous.....we should abolish cops.

We could replace them with people willing to work long hours for below average pay and put their life on the line everyday to uphold the laws of our country.

If that doesn't work, we could just get rid of laws, then we wouldn't need to pay these folks to uphold them......there, problem solved.

Next?
 
Was it me, or did it look like that cop tackled the cyclist from a few feet away and did so hard enough that the bike even left the ground? It also looked like he was trying to avoid the officer even though he walked out in front of the cyclist.
 
Videos from one angle don't always show the whole story. Watched a training video from one police car and it looked like all that happened was the cop shot the guy in the back for no reason. Different police car camera showed exactly what happened and why the guy was shot.
Have no idea what happened in NY, but if you think one 6 second video from one angle shows the whole scenario, I would beg to differ with you
 
crazyjim said:
Man, I'm just going to tell you, it's REALLY hard to give you ANY sort of credibility when your grammar is so horrid. Your mind just doesn't work well? Or did you just not want to put the effort in while at school?


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When the Cops get done with you the lawyers take over.


ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
____________________________________________________________________
ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
_____________________________________
ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Susan!
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?
WITNESS: We both do.
ATTORNEY: Voodoo?
WITNESS: We do.
ATTORNEY: You do?
WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that, when a person dies in his
sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
____________________________________
ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: Uh, he's twenty.
________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you shittin' me?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Uh.... I was gettin' laid!
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTOR NEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Are you shittin' me? Your Honour, I think I need a
different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Now whose death do you suppose terminated it?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Guess.
_____________________________________
ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a
deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on
dead people?
WITNESS: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. Would
you like to rephrase that?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing
an autopsy on him!
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Huh....are you qualified to ask that question?
______________________________________
And the best for last:
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check
for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when
you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and
practicing law.
 
8Mud said:
When the Cops get done with you the lawyers take over.


ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
____________________________________________________________________
ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
_____________________________________
ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Susan!
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?
WITNESS: We both do.
ATTORNEY: Voodoo?
WITNESS: We do.
ATTORNEY: You do?
WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that, when a person dies in his
sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
____________________________________
ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: Uh, he's twenty.
________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you shittin' me?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Uh.... I was gettin' laid!
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTOR NEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Are you shittin' me? Your Honour, I think I need a
different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Now whose death do you suppose terminated it?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Guess.
_____________________________________
ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a
deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on
dead people?
WITNESS: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. Would
you like to rephrase that?
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing
an autopsy on him!
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Huh....are you qualified to ask that question?
______________________________________
And the best for last:
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check
for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when
you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and
practicing law.


No matter how many time I read that, it makes me laugh!
 
One of the interesting things is I live in an area that was very rural in 85 but has gotten pretty big now. We don't have local cops, only state troopers, upside is they don't bother with the small crap and all I have met are OK. We had an issue with someone loosening lug nuts, after the third wheel came off and the trooper showed up to take the report, said there was nothing they could do unless they caught him/her. I said OK, my son and I will alternate nites, armed, next time I'll just call the coroner to come pick up the body. They made two arrests a couple of days later. Local kids who had signed complaints in their records for peeping toming and some other weird stuff.
There has been an effort to start a local PD and I as well as others have been successful so far in preventing it, we do quite well with the State troopers, they do their jobs, come and clean up the mess afterwards, remove the bodies, etc. We try to keep govt empire building to a minimum here..
The first question from the dispatcher when you call to report a prowler is 'are you armed and do you know how to use it' then 'don't hang up the phone, you may need the recording in court'....
 
Stallacrew said:
First off you're stupid because Cyclist have the right of way over pedestrians any day of the week. Pedestrians move slower and therefore can stop quickly. Not so on a bike.

This is typical Cyclist thought, but false. Whether as a Cyclist or a Motorist, you must yield to Pedestrian traffic. https://www.nysdot.gov/portal/page/portal/divisions/operating/opdm/local-programs-bureau/biking

How the hell do you know what the biker saw? Good job Miss Cleo.

So clearly he DID know the rules of the road and DIDN'T mess up at all.

He may have done something off camera to cause the cops to target on him, but we don't know what if anything happened.

And if it his rule breaking action was anything short of stabbing someone then he sure as hell didn't deserve a body check at full force from a meat-head cop.

You can't show your tough cop side just because you want to. The term "Unnecessary force" comes into play here and there was plenty of that displayed. He didn't deserve that

The truth is, we have no idea what happened off camera, and until the official version comes out, I am unwilling to see this as anything but what I see on camera. A bunch of Cyclists breaking traffic laws left and right, and an Officer who for whatever reason, took out a Cyclist who did not yield to him. Sure it was a bit unusual, but there are a lot of unusual things that go on, like internet generated bike rallys.

Zuki-Ron, you are officially a twat-waffle.

Yah, a lot of folks think so, but who cares? You have taken this discussion to a personal level for whatever reason. Being a Member of NAXJA does not give you the right to be an azzhatt to other forum users; paid or unpaid.

--Alex
 
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Daedalus454 said:
Pros:
- I can walk down the street in my neighborhood without being mugged
- None of my cars has ever been stolen
- None of my female relatives or friends have ever been accosted or raped
- etc
- etc
- etc

Cons:
- I got a ticket for unsafe passing on the right that I probably deserved, but the cop had a patronizing attitude that pissed me off.

Wow, you guys are pretty shortsighted. Cops are so vital to our personal safety, they put themselves at risk every time they put on their uniform. Thanks to the proliferation of YouTube and camera phones, they are constantly being second-guessed by Internet pundits who are more than happy to base their opinions of a potentially complex situation on a 6 second low-res video clip from teh Intarweb. This of course can result in officers being afraid take any action, lest they make the wrong decision and someone catch it on video. Resulting again in a deterioration of the safety of law-abiding citizens.

I have a great deal of respect for the Police, and I admit, I am going to go out of my way to give a Police officer the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the situation.

My $.02.


That was, by far, the most well thought out and put together argument that I've ever seen or heard.
 
Daedalus454 said:
Thanks to the proliferation of YouTube and camera phones, they are constantly being second-guessed by Internet pundits who are more than happy to base their opinions of a potentially complex situation on a 6 second low-res video clip from teh Intarweb. This of course can result in officers being afraid take any action, lest they make the wrong decision and someone catch it on video. Resulting again in a deterioration of the safety of law-abiding citizens.

I have a great deal of respect for the Police, and I admit, I am going to go out of my way to give a Police officer the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the situation.

My $.02.

I respect your opinion but it doesnt match mine.
I hold cops to a higher standard than the average Joe because of the responsibility level of their job, similar to doctors and politicians, they have jobs where their decisions have huge consequences in the lives of other people. So, yes I do scrutinize and question what they do. I watch a video and I make a judgement based on the video itself. It may only be a 6 second video but its all I have to make that judgement. If I have more evidence, then my opinion may change.
If you think about it, as much crap as I give cops, they still get by with more than the average person does.
Im a truckdriving instructor. If one of my students does something I dont like or doesnt do something I tell him to and I raise my voice, cuss at him or call him a name, theres a good chance I would lose my job. If I were to shove him or assault or even threaten him, I would definately without a doubt lose my job. All it would take is for me to grab one student by the arm once and Im out the door, no questions asked. Im willing to bet that most of us are in the same situation where we work. Try shoving a coworker or customer against their desk sometime and see what happens.
Now with that in mind, are cops really being scutinized any harder than anyone else? In comparison to most of us, they get by with much more. You say you give them the benefit of the doubt. Not me. They get no more privilege than anyone else, actually less in my book because when they screw up, the consequences can be disastrous for others.
 
Respect for the police in general has nothing to do with this, as far as I can see. I have read elsewhere from those familiar with the scene that this kind of behavior is not uncommon in New York with respect to cyclists, and especially when critical mass rides occur, and it's no more sensible to deny what you see when you see it than it is to take the "all cops are rotten" attitude and see what isn't there.

This also isn't really about who is "right" or "wrong." One of the problems I see in the world today, politically and socially, is the confusion people seem to have between being right and doing right. Some actions are impermissible because the actions themselves are wrong. It does not matter how righteous you are, or how wrong your opponent is. Many of our laws, and the constitution of our secular government, are here to protect us, not against criminals, but against those who believe that moral certainty entitles them to act without constraint.
 
We could all come up with something a Cop has done wrong I am sure, But if you just follow the law, it goes pretty dam well for most. Why does society seem to be going in the direction that it's OK to break the law?
 
Because we are frequently forced to swallow more and more meaningless laws, with punishments not fitting the crimes?
 
Because one side of our gov't is telling millions of people every year that it's ok for them to break the law, we'll even help you continue in it.
 
Re: I trust good cops.

SBrad001 said:
Holy Crap! I knew that I might someday agree with Trail-Axe on something, but so soon?!

Trail-Axe, I hope you don't think that this means we can hold hands, and take long walks at sunset on the beach together now. It might be a little too soon for me to do that with you. :D

Nice one, your comment made me laugh. :laugh:

I needed that today, especially after reading some of the comments in this thread. I gots 2b sure I watches me grammar too, me no wants the grammar police bustin me chops. :eyes:
 
Stallacrew said:
First off you're stupid because Cyclist have the right of way over pedestrians any day of the week. Pedestrians move slower and therefore can stop quickly. Not so on a bike..

--Alex

wow brother, get any sleep last night? Just to clear things up for ya, and forgive me if someone else already has, but a person on a bike does not have the right-of-away over a pedestrian. Cyclist have to obey all the rules of the road same as any motorized vehicle. A pedestrian does not. The basic speed law, which DOES apply to cyclsist, says you can not travel at an unsafe speed. So a pedestrian crossing the street, that gets hit by a cyclist, is not at fault, the cyclist is. So before you go calling other people stupid, maybe you should pay attention to proverb 17:28. :)
 
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