Wonder why I dont trust cops???

[Ray H]

Just about everyone who has supported the cop in the video has interjected their reasons for supporting him that are not in evidence in the video.
ie: The cop may have had a bad day, the cyclist may have done something to provoke him, the cops may have tried to stop him earlier, there is a background of trouble at the event, the cop or cyclist may have said something that you cant hear, ect.
But those who support the cyclist are accused of assuming things??? I just look at the video and come to a conclusion based on what I see. If it isnt right, so be it, its all Ive got.
What I see in the video is a cyclist riding along and a cop forcing him to the curb and pushing him off his bike. Is everyone watching the same video I am? Because some of you seem to be seeing more. The video doesnt show a reason for the act, you guys are just making up reasons because you support the cop so you need a valid reason for knocking someone off a bike.

 

[Darky]

There isn't any conclusive evidence that your scenario is correct either. You're just assuming there were no other reasons and circumstances because you don't like cops and need a valid reason to call him a d-bag.
It goes both ways
My point is, you are riding your bike in an illegal protest. Cop is approaching you. Do you: a) keep riding and just try to swerve in front of the cop or b) stop your bike or at least slow down to see what he wants? Me? I go with option b. Its worked so far for me.
As has been said, you can't look at a short clip of low quality video with poor sound quality and say conclusively the cop made no effort to stop this guy before knocking him down and had no reason to want to stop him, therefore cop is wrong.

 

[SeansBlueXJ]

Just about everyone who has supported the cop in the video has interjected their reasons for supporting him that are not in evidence in the video.
ie: The cop may have had a bad day, the cyclist may have done something to provoke him, the cops may have tried to stop him earlier, there is a background of trouble at the event, the cop or cyclist may have said something that you cant hear, ect.
But those who support the cyclist are accused of assuming things??? I just look at the video and come to a conclusion based on what I see. If it isnt right, so be it, its all Ive got.
What I see in the video is a cyclist riding along and a cop forcing him to the curb and pushing him off his bike. Is everyone watching the same video I am? Because some of you seem to be seeing more. The video doesnt show a reason for the act, you guys are just making up reasons because you support the cop so you need a valid reason for knocking someone off a bike.

X2 i agree we need to support cops, but at the same time we cant blindy support them and assume they are "right" just because they are the cop, or "they have a hard job" if that were the case many more innocent people would be in arrested/ in jail because we blindly support the cops side. Yes he's a cop, but he's also a person and there is the same cross section of personalites. Why cant person who hapens to be employed as a cop, also be a bad person?!? Badge does not instantly equal a good person who is always right and truthful.

Just MY opinion.

 

[crazyjim]

Just about everyone who has supported the cop in the video has interjected their reasons for supporting him that are not in evidence in the video.
ie: The cop may have had a bad day, the cyclist may have done something to provoke him, the cops may have tried to stop him earlier, there is a background of trouble at the event, the cop or cyclist may have said something that you cant hear, ect.
But those who support the cyclist are accused of assuming things??? I just look at the video and come to a conclusion based on what I see. If it isnt right, so be it, its all Ive got.
What I see in the video is a cyclist riding along and a cop forcing him to the curb and pushing him off his bike. Is everyone watching the same video I am? Because some of you seem to be seeing more. The video doesnt show a reason for the act, you guys are just making up reasons because you support the cop so you need a valid reason for knocking someone off a bike.

And that's EXACTLY what's wrong with your simple little mind...


I can take something out of context and make it seem ANYWAY I want it to as well. So... awesome, this argument is retarded.

 

[FordGuy]

If it is a illegal protest, then again, breaking the Law. I break the law on occasion, and I might get in trouble. If I do, Its my fault. It has just become to easy not to follow the law.

 

[Ray H]

And that's EXACTLY what's wrong with your simple little mind...


I can take something out of context and make it seem ANYWAY I want it to as well. So... awesome, this argument is retarded.

Well help me out then. Enlighten me. What did I say thats out of context.

 

[8Mud]

Make a list of all of your encounters with the Police with two columns. One column the stuff they did for you and another column of the stuff they did to you.
In my experience they are much more likely to be the problem, than solve the problem.

 

[FordGuy]

Make a list of all of your encounters with the Police with two columns. One column the stuff they did for you and another column of the stuff they did to you.
In my experience they are much more likely to be the problem, than solve the problem.

I call B.S . If you are following the Law, Then that is not going to be the case. If you are always challenging the law, then sure. But come on, let's get real.

 

[Ray H]

Lets see.
Pros:
2 accident reports taken


Cons:
2 speeding tickets,
1 failure to abay traffic signal,
1 arrest for carrying a concealed weapon,
1 stop for speeding,
1 stop for illegal lane change.
2 calls to take a vandalism report and they did nothing.

I admit that everything except the illegal lane change and the vandalism was my fault. The 2 calls for vandalism off set the 2 accident reports, which leaves me with the stop for an illegal lane change that wasnt my fault.

My conclusion, They have been more of a problem for me than an asset.

 

[FordGuy]

You just proved my point.

 

[Darky]

The video is out of context, your judgments based on that video are incomplete. No one except most likely the officer and the bicyclist knows what actually happened in the moments before that. Because of that, I hesitate to say the officer was definitely right or wrong.

 

[Darky]

Lets see.
Pros:
2 accident reports taken


Cons:
2 speeding tickets,
1 failure to abay traffic signal,
1 arrest for carrying a concealed weapon,
1 stop for speeding,
1 stop for illegal lane change.
2 calls to take a vandalism report and they did nothing.

I admit that everything except the illegal lane change and the vandalism was my fault. The 2 calls for vandalism off set the 2 accident reports, which leaves me with the stop for an illegal lane change that wasnt my fault.

My conclusion, They have been more of a problem for me than an asset.

So...all but 2 encounters have been things you did wrong in the first place...

My list:
Pros-
report taken for theft
report for not at fault rear-end collision
report and response to collision at 1am
defusing road rage incident where other driver ran me off the road. They saved his life.

Cons-
1 Speeding ticket
1 Ticket for running a red light (left turn just a tad late)
Let driver who hit me in rear end collision get away with no insurance or citizenship
multiple stops for speeding
1 warning for speeding
1 time being harassed for apparently no reason
calling me a liar in road rage incident when I was just trying to get away from the guy until he hit me at 80...

So lets see, the harassment was on them. The tickets, stops and warning are on me for being wrong (although the warning was for 52 in a 45...). The road rage incident still pisses me off almost 4 yrs later.

 

[FordGuy]

I can say without a doubt that other than one situation, and I am 44 years old that everytime I have had a issue with the authorities, It was my fault, and this is coming from someone who has been in the clinker way more than one time.

 

[Ray H]

So...all but 2 encounters have been things you did wrong in the first place...

I took the things that were my fault out of the equation.
Out of a total of five encounters that were not my fault, 2 off them turned out favorable. i was involved in two vehicle accidents, I hit a deer and had a report taken to make sure my insurance coverwed it, the second report was taken I I was hit by another motorist (again, for insurance).
I called twice to report vandalism at my house, both times I got the run around and nothing was done. The illegal lane change was due to the cop driving with his head up his butt, I wasnt ticketed, only stopped, we had words, he drove off embarrassed and I drove off pissed.

In short, so far, the only good thing a cop has done for me is write out two accident reports.

 

[SeansBlueXJ]

Ok here's an example of a cop busting chops because he was bored. I was at a riverfront ramp with a budy after dark, there was a big storm that day, high water. There were quite a few random people looking at the water. I leave and this cop follows me, tight on my ass. After a stupid cat and mouse through the town, maybe a five mile drive, he pulls me over. He come up and I say, "evening officer, can you let me know why you pulled me over" "after i see your lic, reg, ins" ok fine so i hand it to him... "you were down at that landing after dark" so i say, "well sir i didnt see any signs posting it closes at dusk and there were many others there did i break a law?" "well no, but then you did 25mph on that road back there, (the posted limit mind you) nobody does 25 on that road" again i respond, "well sir it is the limit and i know you were behind me as well" then he comes back with "well you pulled over in that lot back there" (he passed me then came back around behind me when i continued on) "well sir you were following me so close it was making me feel unsafe if you were in a rush i was letting you pass" he says nothing... "so what did i get pulled over for sir" (ingoring my ??) "where you going?" (not that it;s any of his business but i reply) "home as you see on my lic i live in South Amboy" (next town over and the direction i was headed) "ok, well take it easy" (take it easy?!?! isnt that what you say when you let someone out of a speeding ticket?!?)

In retrospect im sorry i didnt get a badge # and complain to the PD. Every reason he gave me for pulling me over i questioned it's legality and he couldnt say i did anything worthy of stopping other then being a bored @$$ hole cop!.

 

[Ray H]

You just proved my point.

I guess I didnt understand your point. I took credit for what Ive done. Most of the trouble Ive been in was my fault, sure there were extenuating circumstances but still, my fault for putting myself in that situation.
Not taking into consideration the times it was my fault, cops have still been more trouble for me than good.

 

[FordGuy]

Hey, I have Friends that are cop magnets, and it would be foolish to think stereo typing does not work. Nowadays, I just lay low, and the police seem to be pretty cool.

 

[Ray H]

Ok here's an example of a cop busting chops because he was bored. I was at a riverfront ramp with a budy after dark, there was a big storm that day, high water. There were quite a few random people looking at the water. I leave and this cop follows me, tight on my ass. After a stupid cat and mouse through the town, maybe a five mile drive, he pulls me over. He come up and I say, "evening officer, can you let me know why you pulled me over" "after i see your lic, reg, ins" ok fine so i hand it to him... "you were down at that landing after dark" so i say, "well sir i didnt see any signs posting it closes at dusk and there were many others there did i break a law?" "well no, but then you did 25mph on that road back there, (the posted limit mind you) nobody does 25 on that road" again i respond, "well sir it is the limit and i know you were behind me as well" then he comes back with "well you pulled over in that lot back there" (he passed me then came back around behind me when i continued on) "well sir you were following me so close it was making me feel unsafe if you were in a rush i was letting you pass" he says nothing... "so what did i get pulled over for sir" (ingoring my ??) "where you going?" (not that it;s any of his business but i reply) "home as you see on my lic i live in South Amboy" (next town over and the direction i was headed) "ok, well take it easy" (take it easy?!?! isnt that what you say when you let someone out of a speeding ticket?!?)

In retrospect im sorry i didnt get a badge # and complain to the PD. Every reason he gave me for pulling me over i questioned it's legality and he couldnt say i did anything worthy of stopping other then being a bored @$$ hole cop!.

That reminds me. I forgot about the most recent encounter.
I stopped down at the river to check the water level last month after work (about 10 PM). We had gotten alot of rain and I wanted to go kayaking the next morning so I stopped at the park down by the river and got out of the Jeep with my flashlight and walked down to the water. On my way back to the Jeep, a cop pulled up to me with his brights and spotlight on me. We went through the whole deal, hands up, turn around, 20 questions. Then he tells me the park is closed at dark, which I know its not, so I asked him when did they start closing it after dark. The answer I get was "We've been having problems down here, I said its closed after dark now leave".
Just another situation where I did nothing wrong but was made to feel that I had.

 

[crazyjim]

That reminds me. I forgot about the most recent encounter.
I stopped down at the river to check the water level last month after work (about 10 PM). We had gotten alot of rain and I wanted to go kayaking the next morning so I stopped at the park down by the river and got out of the Jeep with my flashlight and walked down to the water. On my way back to the Jeep, a cop pulled up to me with his brights and spotlight on me. We went through the whole deal, hands up, turn around, 20 questions. Then he tells me the park is closed at dark, which I know its not, so I asked him when did they start closing it after dark. The answer I get was "We've been having problems down here, I said its closed after dark now leave".
Just another situation where I did nothing wrong but was made to feel that I had.

Uh... ok, how do you know? Did you attend the city council meeting? Or sit in through briefing? Do you know what all the updates are in your city? Are you THAT big of a moron? C'mon man, you GOTTA be fuckin' with me.

If I ran into you I'd fuck with you too! :laugh:


I bet if you would have just been like, "Oh damn, I didn't know that, my bad, when did they start that?" while you were packing your shit, he might have explained it to you. But you were probably the umteenth jackass to question him, and explain to him he was wrong, and that somehow, you know the law and current events in law enforcement better than he does. Hmm..

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

 

[Darky]

I had a friend who was constantly in trouble with the cops and he didn't hold it against them too much really...he was always doin dumb stuff though and he knew why he was gettin hassled. Thought he was a street racer...