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I am going to be heading back home this weekend with hopes to get the steering all buttoned up and streetable. I plan on bringing it back up to school here in Sac so I can wheel on the weekends.

Here is what I NEED to get done this weekend:
- Fine tune toe in/out
- Fix the slop in the steering
- Weld on relocated sway bar brackets
- Finish welding my frame stiffeners (then prime and paint)

Heres a pic of the swaybar brackets. I am hoping they will work. I had to trim my coil buckets all the way up to the coil so that the tie rod doesn't hit while turning. For the same reason, I will likely have to notch the brackets a little bit to clear the tie rod.

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Hopefully it all works out!
 
Well Ive gotten a little bit done over the past few weeks.

I was finally able to get my steering problems out of the way. First, I checked my toe and found out that it was toed in 3/4"! So I (properly) set the toe to just a hair over 1/16th. This alone made a huge difference on the road and kept the steering from doing its own thing while on the road. Now it tracks straight and doesn't try to throw me all over the road when I hit bumps or take turns. :eek:

I had been trying to figure out how to keep my tie rod from rolling, which was causing death wobble and some slop in the steering. I tried a few different ideas but in the end heres what I ended up doing:

I welded the jam nut to the threaded bung in the tie rod, and then tack welded the joint to the jam nut. On one side, I rolled the joint forward:

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And on the other side I welded it up with the joint rolled back, thus keeping the tie rod from rolling:

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Now here is where I am stumped. The first time I tacked the joints, I locked one joint forward and one back like in the pics. I took it for a test drive, and when I got back I had some free play/roll in the tie rod - enough to give me a shimmy when I hit a bump just right at around 30 mph. So I cut off the passenger side tack weld, readjusted it and welded it back up. No wobble.

Now almost a month later, I have a good amount of wobble in the steering again because the tie rod has some roll in it (again)... Which doesn't make any sense because it seems to me that there is no physically possible way for it to loosen up like this. The entire tie rod is now one solid piece because it it welded together from joint to joint, so the only way for it to loosen up (to allow wobble back and forth) would be for something to bend/twist or for a weld to break. The welds are all still holding, and I cant find any signs of bending, twisting, or fatigue. Any ideas here?

The next thing I did was cut up my shackle relocation brackets and paint them up. When I had the shackle at a nice angle (~45*), I backed down my driveway and the shackles kicked back and sat flat against the bracket, pointing straight back. So I adjusted the angle so it was more vertical so it doesn't kick back any more. I talked to Steve at Golden State Motorsports about it when I was in there a few weeks ago, and he recommended putting on a longer shackle. Lucky me, I still have 2" (2.5"?) RC lift shackles sitting in my garage. Now I just need to get some lower springs or take a leaf or two out of my current pack so it will sit lower in the rear.

Heres a pic of my crappy current shackle angle.

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Then I had my buddy weld up my frame stiffeners, then I primed and painted them in the parking lot of Sacramento State so I could go wheeling that night.

Heres a few shots my buddy took.

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Poser shots FTW!!
 
Now for what I'm currently trying to figure out.

I bought some raised swaybar mounts a few weeks ago hoping they would clear my steering. Nope! So I notched a chunk out of them.

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Now it clears my tie rod!

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Now it should work, right? Not with my luck! It sits a little too far over..

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I could throw a bunch of washers in that open space as shims, or cut a spacer out of a big chunk of metal to fill that space, but I dont feel comfortable with that. There would be WAY too much force put on that in turns, especially with the added leverage due to the sway bar being offset so much to the side and the weak spot I created with those big notches.

So before I throw those $45 sway bar mounts into the trash, does anybody have any idea what I can do here? Are there other swaybar options I could try out? Different style mounts? Should I just gusset the crap out of these and run them?

Any help on my tie rod issue or swaybar issue will be greatly appreciated!

I need it fixed by next weekend or the jeep is getting parked and will collect dust at home. :hang:
 
best answer: fix steering and ditch sway bars.
if you must keep them: ditch them and fix steering
if you really have to keep them then cut them off and reweld them closer, is your axle off center? how is trackbar setup?



i have 2 rigs, one with 4.5" lift and long arms, and one with like 6.5" on drop brackets, neither have sway bars, both have stock y link setup but OTK on the pass side and drive like a dream, and corner very well.

how is your castor?-thatll make a huge difference with wobble?
ball joints?
tires out of balance?
steering box bolts tight?
crank down the trackbar bolts, all of them, again. with a breaker bar. tonight. dont say they are tight. make sure they are hella tight.
how are the heims?
control arm bushings good?
how$shitty are your shocks?
drag link and trackbar way off parallel?

have you cranked the wheel back and forth and looked for play in everything?

LCA bolt holes wallowed out?
 
I should clarify.

I am not all that worried about the slop in the steering. I know what is causing it, but dont understand why the tie rod can still roll after all that I did to it.

The swaybar is more of a parent pleaser. I would say that the jeep handles great around town. It has some body roll in the corners but drives just fine. The problem is on the freeway if I need to swerve for any reason. All of the sway (without swaybars) could be a little hard to control.

Im not trying to use the swaybars to cure any wobble or anything. Just more of a safety device for extra reasurrance on the road.

if you really have to keep them then cut them off and reweld them closer

I wish it was that easy. They butt up against the outside of the remnants of the stock swaybar mount. There is no way for me to move them in closer :(

I appreciate the ideas Jon!
 
Just a thought, modify your swaybar link so they are bent top and bottom so they line up better (sort of a straightened out "S"), or use heim joints on both ends to allow for the angle needed. I have the Full-Traction links on mine and they are bent to make up for the offset created by the new position of the swaybar mounts (welded just like yours are on the outside of the factory mounts). Anyway, good luck.
 
Where is this?

looks like latrob road here in folsom. Its ok to do some shakedown stuff when p-shitty is closed or you don't wanna spend the 5 bucks. It's a fun road to haul ass on if you know how to stay on top of the potholes. Hit me up next time you head out there man, i look for excuses to go out there quite a bit but am usually by myself.

Jeeps looking tits man.
 
I'll prolly head out there with-in the next few days actually after 5pm. I need to see if these FOA coilovers on this yota i just bought are shot from the leakage one is experiencing. So drop me a line if you wanna join.
 
Where is this?

Latrobe road in Folsom - Just down the road from PC.

Just a thought, modify your swaybar link so they are bent top and bottom so they line up better (sort of a straightened out "S"), or use heim joints on both ends to allow for the angle needed. I have the Full-Traction links on mine and they are bent to make up for the offset created by the new position of the swaybar mounts (welded just like yours are on the outside of the factory mounts). Anyway, good luck.

Thanks for the idea. I wish I had access to a press so I could bend them up like that. After a quick search I found some pre-bent JKS mounts like what you are talking about. Looks like they will work perfectly! I don't know how I missed them the first time around. Thanks for the lead!

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looks like latrob road here in folsom. Its ok to do some shakedown stuff when p-shitty is closed or you don't wanna spend the 5 bucks. It's a fun road to haul ass on if you know how to stay on top of the potholes. Hit me up next time you head out there man, i look for excuses to go out there quite a bit but am usually by myself.

Jeeps looking tits man.

Thanks Mike. Theres definitely nothing extreme out there but its always fun to get some mud on the tires.

Im actually planning on heading out there this friday afternoon/night with a buddy of mine (yota on 31s) and maybe even Ryan with the Rover. If you want to wait a few days I'd love to mob around with ya out there. Maybe there will be a bonfire too!



Im still stumped on my tie rod issue.. Theres always the chance that I bumped it when I welded it up... but 2x in a row? Maybe I'm just that clumsy.
 
Latrobe road in Folsom - Just down the road from PC.



Thanks for the idea. I wish I had access to a press so I could bend them up like that. After a quick search I found some pre-bent JKS mounts like what you are talking about. Looks like they will work perfectly! I don't know how I missed them the first time around. Thanks for the lead!

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Thanks Mike. Theres definitely nothing extreme out there but its always fun to get some mud on the tires.

Im actually planning on heading out there this friday afternoon/night with a buddy of mine (yota on 31s) and maybe even Ryan with the Rover. If you want to wait a few days I'd love to mob around with ya out there. Maybe there will be a bonfire too!



Im still stumped on my tie rod issue.. Theres always the chance that I bumped it when I welded it up... but 2x in a row? Maybe I'm just that clumsy.

Cool deal man im down let's do it. I wanna go out there just before sunset so my buddy can get some good pics with his new camera set up.
 
Awesome guys! Im not sure how big of a bonfire to expect, but hopefully theres a good crowd.

Mike, you better take me for a ride in that beast!
 
So those JCR swaybar mounts I posted a picture of are not going to work. They put the mount in the same spot as my current mounts do! The bend made it look like its in the right spot, but the entire bracket is mounted further away.

Rob D, If I understood correctly, your swaybar mount is straight (like mine), but your links themselves are "S" shaped?

Maybe I just need to force my links over? :dunno:
 
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