goodburbon
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Please crawl back into the hole you have been hiding in for the past few months.
Do you really want her back in?---Warning, Political Thread
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planefixer
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Reindeer said:
A lot of jobs are leaving this country,not necessarily overseas, but to other countries in this hemisphere because of good ol' Bill Clinton and NAFTA.Lets elect the Dems and watch as the largest tax increase in U.S. history happens (talk about financial stress)and the war on terror is abandoned.Lets get Ritter in office so he can set all the criminals free (as well as give free reign to all the Illegals) and take away our right to have guns.I'll admit, I'm not real happy with the Republican party right now but the moronic ideals of the Dems scares the hell out of me- they dont even have a legitimate platform to run on other than blame Bush/Repubs for everything that is wrong.I still have yet to hear one single solution/alternative from the Dems to solve any of the problems they're bitching/blaming about.They're all talk and no substance.
The future looks bright- not.
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If you think there is any difference between Bloods and Crips, or East or West, Or Republicans and Democrats you might want to step away from the pipe. Politicians are ploiticians. They will say what ever they need to to stay in office. Republicans are liars. They lied about the war, they lie about values all while handing out corprate wellfare and screwing their pages. Democrats are so pathetic they can't even beat that! I don't even mind all the scandles lately. It isn't republicans, it's just politicians being politicians. They are all corupt. Democrats are weenies. I could go on, but they are not in power right now. The Republican party is a joke. Conservatism is supposed to be about small government, not a religious one. Less government, free markets, idividual freedoms. Instead we have a police action in Iraq, and the man that was responsible for 9-11 is running free in Afganistan. Meanwhile the gas companys score record profits because they have a monopoly and they have not built a new refinery in 20 years to keep supply tight. Corperations get richer and Americans get poorer, and the most important issue in all this mess is 2 guys kissing, and Roe vs. Wade. And yes, the saddest thing is that the Democrats can't come up with an attractive alternative to that!
The system is self sustaining, it is not about solutuions, it's about elections. If they solved problems, what would they run on next election? Money and power, those are the only true concerns to politicians. All this crap we are arguing over is just smoke and mirrors. A big ole pacifier to keep the public distracted so they can keep playing their game. America is probably more divided now that before the Civil War. I hope this country can survive them. I know it won't change in my lifetime. And no, I am not a member of any militia.
The system is self sustaining, it is not about solutuions, it's about elections. If they solved problems, what would they run on next election? Money and power, those are the only true concerns to politicians. All this crap we are arguing over is just smoke and mirrors. A big ole pacifier to keep the public distracted so they can keep playing their game. America is probably more divided now that before the Civil War. I hope this country can survive them. I know it won't change in my lifetime. And no, I am not a member of any militia.
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planefixer said:
So you don't think GW and the Republicans stand for a global economy including free trade??? The problem isn't Dems or Republicans, it's free trade. And the tax breaks that most of the dems complain about are the ones the make huge incentives for large corporations to send the manufacturing outside the country. Check out this article regarding the path this country is heading financially. It is not financially healthy to have the national income be less than the interest on all of our loans. That is a death spiral that millions of americans deal with their maxed out credit cards. It is a smart move by the GOP to pin it on dems to be the bad guy and roll back taxes for the TOP 2%. It has to be done otherwise we will be literally owned by China if we don't take the proper action.
Do you really want Musgrave back in? Hell NO! Screw the Republicans
Musgrave has not created a single bill.
Anyone can cosponsor legislation, but she has done nothing to help the poor people of Weld county, among others.
Musgrave has not secured water rights or water storage for farmers, even though experts have repeated said that this is the largest problem for farmers who are the predominant population of the eastern plains of Colorado.
Musgrave has ensured that mortgage rates have skyrocketed, pricing many right out of the American dream, thanks to her support of tax cuts to the richest people on the earth, causing the average loan buyer to compete with the federal government for loans.
It is Republicans who have raised taxes by dramatically increasing both individual debt and the government debt. Current debt for the federal government is over 9.3 TRILLION dollars, after giving the richest people on the earth the Clinton created surplus of 11.2 TRILLION dollars.
Taxes have already been raised because prices are being raised by climbing interest rates, causing the cost of money to go through the roof, increasing the poverty rate dramatically.
Clinton pulled millions of people out of poverty.
Bush/Cheney are putting millions in poverty, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people abandoned in the Gulf Coast by a Republican congress that ended funding for the Clinton created levee project.
I am no fan of NAFTA or of the other Republican sponsored bill called the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Both were bad bills, and both have destroyed families in this country. You are under the mistaken impression that I support everything that Clinton did.
Dems will be forced to fix nearly everything, including reverse the lousy policy of letting corporations not pay anything in taxes by moving operations to the Caymans or the Bahamas or wherever. I notice that you don't mention this, and with the corporate welfare and stupid and mean spirited tax cuts to those who don't need it, the treasury is not only empty but America is deeply in debt to the communist Chinese and the Royal Sa'ud Family of Saudi Arabia.
How is it that Republicans are okay with having the communists and the wahabiist radical muslims have control over our economy? I don't get that.
Ritter has an excellent record. Denver has a high crime rate because Republicans have controlled Colorado for four decades and have destroyed the economy here causing the poor to result to selling drugs, weapons and identity theft as a way to pay the rent and get food. Democrats will have to fix that disaster as well, thanks the reckless management by Republicans.
It's Beauprez that is the criminal, illegally using a law enforcement database. Beauprez should be in jail, or out on bond for his crime. Beauprez himself voted to secure the national crime center database, and then lied about his vote. Coloradans will hold him accountable for his lies.
You have deliberately lied and skewed the Democratic Party platform.
There is no agenda for gun control as you suggest. That's a lie.
There is no agenda to raise taxes. That's already been done and is not a part of the Democratic platform. It's a big lie.
There is and agenda to START the war on terror which the Republicans have done nothing about since they let Osama bin Laden and Simon al Zawahiri escape from Tora Bora. The war in Iraq is NOT part of the war on terror, it is a distraction and deliberate chaos to keep global corporatists in power one year before a national election. Now that the American people know that the Bush crime family lied about the reasons for going to war and lied about the ties to al Qaida, it's over. You Republicans have also lost based on severe levels of corruption, perversion and cover ups. You have dozens of people in high leadership that are either in jail, in drug or alcohol rehab, on the take, or under indictment or investigation.
It's over for Republicans, and I along with millions am going to laugh my ass off when you all lose the House and lose control over government.
Once that happens, we are going to send all of the crooks to jail and start the process of fixing the unbelievable disaster that Republicans have caused, and then rebuild the Republic. If you don't know about the Democratic Party platform, it's because you can't read or want to lie about it. It's been published for quite awhile now. Read it if you can.
http://democrats.org/agenda.html
In stark contrast, the Republicans have reneged on every single part of the Contract On America:
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
The only part of this comprehensive Republican lie is that Republicans AND Democrats passed the COPA or Child Online Protection Act, parts of which were deemed unconstitutional and unenforceable because of the vague and overbroad language of the bill, and the first amendment right. The bill wanted to censor certain words like "breast" from being allowed online, which would have meant that women who are facing breast cancer would be barred from that information. The conservative high court threw that part out. The other parts stand, which is a good thing since it will most likely send Mark Foley to prison when Democrats regain power.
Every other provision of this broken campaign promise has been flagrantly abused.
"FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;"
Then Tom Delay should be in jail, along with Bob Beauprez, Mark Foley, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed, and many many others. The Contract On America is a joke and a nation disgrace. You had your chance. You had more than a decade. It's over.
planefixer said:
Musgrave has not created a single bill.
Anyone can cosponsor legislation, but she has done nothing to help the poor people of Weld county, among others.
Musgrave has not secured water rights or water storage for farmers, even though experts have repeated said that this is the largest problem for farmers who are the predominant population of the eastern plains of Colorado.
Musgrave has ensured that mortgage rates have skyrocketed, pricing many right out of the American dream, thanks to her support of tax cuts to the richest people on the earth, causing the average loan buyer to compete with the federal government for loans.
It is Republicans who have raised taxes by dramatically increasing both individual debt and the government debt. Current debt for the federal government is over 9.3 TRILLION dollars, after giving the richest people on the earth the Clinton created surplus of 11.2 TRILLION dollars.
Taxes have already been raised because prices are being raised by climbing interest rates, causing the cost of money to go through the roof, increasing the poverty rate dramatically.
Clinton pulled millions of people out of poverty.
Bush/Cheney are putting millions in poverty, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people abandoned in the Gulf Coast by a Republican congress that ended funding for the Clinton created levee project.
I am no fan of NAFTA or of the other Republican sponsored bill called the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Both were bad bills, and both have destroyed families in this country. You are under the mistaken impression that I support everything that Clinton did.
Dems will be forced to fix nearly everything, including reverse the lousy policy of letting corporations not pay anything in taxes by moving operations to the Caymans or the Bahamas or wherever. I notice that you don't mention this, and with the corporate welfare and stupid and mean spirited tax cuts to those who don't need it, the treasury is not only empty but America is deeply in debt to the communist Chinese and the Royal Sa'ud Family of Saudi Arabia.
How is it that Republicans are okay with having the communists and the wahabiist radical muslims have control over our economy? I don't get that.
Ritter has an excellent record. Denver has a high crime rate because Republicans have controlled Colorado for four decades and have destroyed the economy here causing the poor to result to selling drugs, weapons and identity theft as a way to pay the rent and get food. Democrats will have to fix that disaster as well, thanks the reckless management by Republicans.
It's Beauprez that is the criminal, illegally using a law enforcement database. Beauprez should be in jail, or out on bond for his crime. Beauprez himself voted to secure the national crime center database, and then lied about his vote. Coloradans will hold him accountable for his lies.
You have deliberately lied and skewed the Democratic Party platform.
There is no agenda for gun control as you suggest. That's a lie.
There is no agenda to raise taxes. That's already been done and is not a part of the Democratic platform. It's a big lie.
There is and agenda to START the war on terror which the Republicans have done nothing about since they let Osama bin Laden and Simon al Zawahiri escape from Tora Bora. The war in Iraq is NOT part of the war on terror, it is a distraction and deliberate chaos to keep global corporatists in power one year before a national election. Now that the American people know that the Bush crime family lied about the reasons for going to war and lied about the ties to al Qaida, it's over. You Republicans have also lost based on severe levels of corruption, perversion and cover ups. You have dozens of people in high leadership that are either in jail, in drug or alcohol rehab, on the take, or under indictment or investigation.
It's over for Republicans, and I along with millions am going to laugh my ass off when you all lose the House and lose control over government.
Once that happens, we are going to send all of the crooks to jail and start the process of fixing the unbelievable disaster that Republicans have caused, and then rebuild the Republic. If you don't know about the Democratic Party platform, it's because you can't read or want to lie about it. It's been published for quite awhile now. Read it if you can.
http://democrats.org/agenda.html
In stark contrast, the Republicans have reneged on every single part of the Contract On America:
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
The only part of this comprehensive Republican lie is that Republicans AND Democrats passed the COPA or Child Online Protection Act, parts of which were deemed unconstitutional and unenforceable because of the vague and overbroad language of the bill, and the first amendment right. The bill wanted to censor certain words like "breast" from being allowed online, which would have meant that women who are facing breast cancer would be barred from that information. The conservative high court threw that part out. The other parts stand, which is a good thing since it will most likely send Mark Foley to prison when Democrats regain power.
Every other provision of this broken campaign promise has been flagrantly abused.
"FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;"
Then Tom Delay should be in jail, along with Bob Beauprez, Mark Foley, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed, and many many others. The Contract On America is a joke and a nation disgrace. You had your chance. You had more than a decade. It's over.
Rev Den
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Re: Do you really want Republican liars back in? Hell NO!
Here we go again....the incoherent paranoid ramblings of a non-member who only visits us once in a great will to stir up crap.
What a moron.
No Reindeer I will not debate you because you seem to think that everything that someone points out to you that does not fit with your skewed way of thinking is a lie.
But keep posting...I find your little outbursts enjoyable.
I will now standby and wait for your predictable response while we continue to poke fun at you in the members area.
Rev
Here we go again....the incoherent paranoid ramblings of a non-member who only visits us once in a great will to stir up crap.
What a moron.
No Reindeer I will not debate you because you seem to think that everything that someone points out to you that does not fit with your skewed way of thinking is a lie.
But keep posting...I find your little outbursts enjoyable.
I will now standby and wait for your predictable response while we continue to poke fun at you in the members area.
Rev
planefixer
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Re: Do you really want Musgrave back in? Hell NO! Screw the Republicans
If this rings true then I guess its "our" turn to sit back,criticize,and point fingers- yet offer no solutions.
Unemployment is at an all time low,the stock market is at record highs so how bad is the economy???
If you and your lefty brethern have some remedies for the "aweful state of the nation" then lets hear them.So far I've heard/seen/read NOTHING.Maybe if as much time and effort was spent on solutions as is spent on criticism and finger pointing things would improve.If the Dems do take over they better do something as far as improvement goes because they will be under a microscope after all the loud-mouth politics they've been practicing.
Reindeer said:
If this rings true then I guess its "our" turn to sit back,criticize,and point fingers- yet offer no solutions.
Unemployment is at an all time low,the stock market is at record highs so how bad is the economy???
If you and your lefty brethern have some remedies for the "aweful state of the nation" then lets hear them.So far I've heard/seen/read NOTHING.Maybe if as much time and effort was spent on solutions as is spent on criticism and finger pointing things would improve.If the Dems do take over they better do something as far as improvement goes because they will be under a microscope after all the loud-mouth politics they've been practicing.
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I'm going to say a couple of things and do everyone a favor and shut up. Planefixer, nothing personal. We probably have more in common than it appears. Other than the fact that you are a Blood, and if you forced me to choose between the 2 I would have to go Crip. I felt a need to say that since you have a gun with a scope and I don't.
It's election time and I get suckered into these stupid debates. My opinions are meaningless except to me. The issues are errelavent. I'm really frustrated with our leadership. Both parties. I would love to do away with the 2 party system. I think it is safe to say that we can all agree on some issues. I want to be prosperous. I want the freedom to make my own destiny. I want my tax dollars spent wisely. ( I would even be willing to pay more if I could count on that) I want affordable healthcare and a good retirment plan. I HAVE the right to protect my family and my home. I want my borders to be secure and to be able to help our niegbours if needed. I want to do my part to keep this incredible country going. If we could agree on those things, maybe we could make some progress.
Instead what do we have. Oral sex in the White House. A crack head for a D.C. Mayor. Enron. Katrina. Iraq. Haliburton. Exxon. Foley. Abramoff. The National deficit......Oh ya, and as the only standing superpower, and leader of the free world, half the World despises us. But let's not talk about that. Let's all be outraged, pro or con, about two guys kissing and wether or not they can get married. It's so rediculous!
I believe this country is being run in to the ground by our politicains. I beleived we have lost our morals and values. The Religious Right is the last place to go look for them. I think greed has taken over. I know with our form of Government that there will always be some corruption, but it has gotten really bad. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion. Oh ya, and this is a Jeep club. My bad, I forgot.
It's election time and I get suckered into these stupid debates. My opinions are meaningless except to me. The issues are errelavent. I'm really frustrated with our leadership. Both parties. I would love to do away with the 2 party system. I think it is safe to say that we can all agree on some issues. I want to be prosperous. I want the freedom to make my own destiny. I want my tax dollars spent wisely. ( I would even be willing to pay more if I could count on that) I want affordable healthcare and a good retirment plan. I HAVE the right to protect my family and my home. I want my borders to be secure and to be able to help our niegbours if needed. I want to do my part to keep this incredible country going. If we could agree on those things, maybe we could make some progress.
Instead what do we have. Oral sex in the White House. A crack head for a D.C. Mayor. Enron. Katrina. Iraq. Haliburton. Exxon. Foley. Abramoff. The National deficit......Oh ya, and as the only standing superpower, and leader of the free world, half the World despises us. But let's not talk about that. Let's all be outraged, pro or con, about two guys kissing and wether or not they can get married. It's so rediculous!
I believe this country is being run in to the ground by our politicains. I beleived we have lost our morals and values. The Religious Right is the last place to go look for them. I think greed has taken over. I know with our form of Government that there will always be some corruption, but it has gotten really bad. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion. Oh ya, and this is a Jeep club. My bad, I forgot.
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Re: Do you really want Musgrave back in? Hell NO! Screw the Republicans
Wow, for a moment there I was actually speechless. I'll say it out loud. I voted for Kerry, only because he wasn't Bush. I took a shower when I got home. It's people like you that enabled a draft dodger to beat a war hero in a time of war! You give Blue a bad name.
Musgrave, all by herself, made morgage rates SKYROCKET? Again, speechless.
And speaking as a FORMER drug addict, are you on crack? I have bought and sold a lot of dope, and I can guarantee you it wasn't so I could pay rent. I did it to get high, PERIOD. This is one of the problems I hate about being lumped into being a liberal. No personal responsibility. The only people to blame for drug use, and crimes are drug addicts and criminals, PERIOD. It's a choice. I chose to grow up. The only one to blame for my bad choices was me. I really can't stand that about bleeding heart liberals.
That's it, I'm done. I'm not Red or Blue. Call me Barney, I want to be Purple.
Reindeer said:
Wow, for a moment there I was actually speechless. I'll say it out loud. I voted for Kerry, only because he wasn't Bush. I took a shower when I got home. It's people like you that enabled a draft dodger to beat a war hero in a time of war! You give Blue a bad name.
Musgrave, all by herself, made morgage rates SKYROCKET? Again, speechless.
And speaking as a FORMER drug addict, are you on crack? I have bought and sold a lot of dope, and I can guarantee you it wasn't so I could pay rent. I did it to get high, PERIOD. This is one of the problems I hate about being lumped into being a liberal. No personal responsibility. The only people to blame for drug use, and crimes are drug addicts and criminals, PERIOD. It's a choice. I chose to grow up. The only one to blame for my bad choices was me. I really can't stand that about bleeding heart liberals.
That's it, I'm done. I'm not Red or Blue. Call me Barney, I want to be Purple.
Rev Den
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Dirt Surfer said:
No....you are a rational person with an opinon.
To see the type you describe look at the posts by Mr. Deer.
Rev
jrsxj98
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All I have to say is I vote my pocket book. How can someone set there and tell me that Republicans are good for the middle class family. Bush's precious tax cuts really only help big business, or people in the upper 10 % of the tax tier, that is if you make million+. Not to mention we are now a debtor (that means we borrowed money, for some of the people around here) to almost every other country in the world. All I can say is I am sick and tired of hearing how the war on terror is a winning battle. Now dont get me wrong I am greatfull to all the soldiers who put their lives on the line day in and day out, but we should not be over there PERIOD. This war will never end. They were fighting before we were there and they will be fighting long after you and I are gone. The people who could have made a change in Iraq are either dead or have sold out to the radicals.
Thats all I am gonna really say on this cause debating politics really is like the war in Iraq. A no win situation.
But be warned this thread is being watched so tow the line or it will be locked.
Thats all I am gonna really say on this cause debating politics really is like the war in Iraq. A no win situation.
But be warned this thread is being watched so tow the line or it will be locked.
xj-grin
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Re: Do you really want Musgrave back in? Hell NO! Screw the Republicans
I may finally have a signature... I knew there was a reason I liked you Dirt.
Dirt Surfer said:
I may finally have a signature... I knew there was a reason I liked you Dirt.
rock rash
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I couldnat have said it better myself...there are too many things going on in the world right now to make gay marriage the top priority on peoples list. My views are more liberal but i refuse to be labeled a democrat and I am not a republican either. I do not like either term since there are idiots in both categories...Dirt Surfer said:I'm going to say a couple of things and do everyone a favor and shut up. Planefixer, nothing personal. We probably have more in common than it appears. Other than the fact that you are a Blood, and if you forced me to choose between the 2 I would have to go Crip. I felt a need to say that since you have a gun with a scope and I don't.
It's election time and I get suckered into these stupid debates. My opinions are meaningless except to me. The issues are errelavent. I'm really frustrated with our leadership. Both parties. I would love to do away with the 2 party system. I think it is safe to say that we can all agree on some issues. I want to be prosperous. I want the freedom to make my own destiny. I want my tax dollars spent wisely. ( I would even be willing to pay more if I could count on that) I want affordable healthcare and a good retirment plan. I HAVE the right to protect my family and my home. I want my borders to be secure and to be able to help our niegbours if needed. I want to do my part to keep this incredible country going. If we could agree on those things, maybe we could make some progress.
Instead what do we have. Oral sex in the White House. A crack head for a D.C. Mayor. Enron. Katrina. Iraq. Haliburton. Exxon. Foley. Abramoff. The National deficit......Oh ya, and as the only standing superpower, and leader of the free world, half the World despises us. But let's not talk about that. Let's all be outraged, pro or con, about two guys kissing and wether or not they can get married. It's so rediculous!
I believe this country is being run in to the ground by our politicains. I beleived we have lost our morals and values. The Religious Right is the last place to go look for them. I think greed has taken over. I know with our form of Government that there will always be some corruption, but it has gotten really bad. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion. Oh ya, and this is a Jeep club. My bad, I forgot.
Re: Do you really want Musgrave back in? Hell NO! Screw the Republicans
goodbourbon was right. Spew out enough crap and eventually you hit something sig worthy. Sweet!
xj-grin said:I may finally have a signature... I knew there was a reason I liked you Dirt.
goodbourbon was right. Spew out enough crap and eventually you hit something sig worthy. Sweet!
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planefixer
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Dirt Surfer said:Don't worry, I got nothin' but love for my Red, Blue, G.L.B.T-G. brothers and sistersarty: lastara
All I have to say about that is, I'm not wetodid, I'm spethal and God lubs me!
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :cheers:
Do you really want Republican liars back in? HELL NO!
My comments in italics
Here is the BIG REPUBLICAN LIE of 1994, aka "The Contract With America":
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REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
* FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
* SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
* THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
* FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
* FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
* SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
* SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
* EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.
Ha! Fiscal what? Republicans have proved that they cannot be trusted with public money, period. Spending is WAY out of control and revenues are nearly non-existent due to tax cuts to the richest people on earth. They took an 11 trillion surplus and spent that, and then created a 9.3 trillion deficit which has caused major borrowing from our enemies. National security risk.
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.
Thanks to a lack of funding for first responders, especially police, and a rise in poverty levels due to reckless fiscal policy, crime is on the rise in many areas. Building prisons in not the answer. Providing more police is the answer to protecting citizens. Clinton's C.O.P.S program proved that by reducing crime. The death penalty has not been widely adopted as it flies in the face of the tenets of Christianity, a faith that Republicans falsely claim to represent.
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.
Teen pregnancy is on the rise thanks to efforts to kill education that would prevent pregnancy. Teen pregnancies and abortions were both on the decline under Clinton's time in office due to education regarding sex and pregnancy. Republicans are hipocrits here, saying that they want to end abortions on the one hand, and creating the very climate for an increased number of abortions on the other. Increases in poverty and crimes involving rape have made the abortion rate go up.
Reform of welfare was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed and Democrats co-sponsored and co-authored.
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.
Americans of the lower and middle income classes are bearing the brunt of the tax burden while corporations and the ultra wealthy pay nothing or next to nothing. The tax system that Republicans have created is completely and totally unfair and it has emptied the Treasury and bankrupted the nation. How can a family adopt a baby if they can't pay the bills? The Republicans recently eliminated a tax on dividend income, which makes the rich even richer. If you don't have enough money to afford to enter the stock market then you get stuck with the tax bill, but if you are wealthy then you get to avoid paying taxes on investments. This is not the way to help families. It's a big lie.
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.
Where are these mythical "American Dream Savings Accounts"?
See the above comments for how this is completely and totally irrelevant and unfair.
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.
National security has been a failure, and we were hit because the Bush Administration failed to act on intelligence that warned about planes flying into buildings. Bosnia now has a democracy without losing a single US soldier, but the Republicans were against going in to the region, and against helping stop the violence in Bosnia. The people in powere now have not served in the military, save Rumsfeld. We are more at risk now than ever by the Bush admininstration creating terrorists, and we have been hit in Damascus since 9/11, on US soil. The credibility of our government is shot to hell.
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.
Ha! The American people resoundingly rejected the neocon plan to rob the social security fund and swindle them out of their earnings, even after the amazing 60 stop tour on air force one at taxpayer expense. The feeble attempts to rook seniors by privatizing their income and destroy the New Deal has failed. Seniors are facing huge cuts to Medicare. Drug companies have received a windfall by convincing crooked Republicans to limit the access that seniors have to affordable drugs. Remember the speech where Bush likened Canada to a "third world"? More lies at the expense of seniors. They weren't fooled. Americans are losing ground in earnings, and prices are going through the roof, especially energy prices.
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.
This is a jobless economy. The Republicans under Bush have a dismal record of job creation. Republicans have removed the small business zone incentives, contrary to their promise. Capital gains cuts only help the already wealthy. Workers wages are stagnant or are losing ground. Many people are working two and three jobs to make ends meet. Remember when Bush interviewed a lady and she said that she had "three jobs", and Bush laughed and said "Good for you", and that she was "uniquely American".
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.
The "endless tide of litigation" is a myth not backed up by facts. There is no evidence to support this vague claim. It is unconstitutional to prevent the right of people to bring grievances to government.
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.
Where is this? This was never even addressed. Another lie.
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Where is this? It never happened.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
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The Republicans instead have brought us the most corrupt congress ever in our nation's history, and that's saying a lot. Republicans were posturing and blaming then, and they are posturing and blaming now, so nothing has changed. Most of the promises were never addressed, or were unconstitutional or violated law.
The Republicans have brought you the largest bribery and corruption scandal in the history of America. They have undermined the ethics process and thwarted investigations into known wrongdoing. The have not implemented most of the 9/11 commision reforms, and in fact actively resisted investigating the most important terror incident of our time. Even the second report on 9/11 has not been delieverd as was promised.
Of these many promised Republican only reforms, only COPA and the so called Tort Reform were passed, with much of both thrown out by justice as being unconstitutional, which tells you how little respect the Republicans have for the law. Neither product liability limits or caps on awards were passed.
Secret closed door meetings, secret energy policy meetings in violation of the law and of their posturing promises, preventing legal votes by voting in the middle of the night, holding votes open in violation of House rules, a fiscal policy of spending that is reckless and which is bankrupting our nation raising prices and taxes. The list of offenses is far too long and too big for this forum.
Poverty on the increase, increasing crime, while both police and homeland security budgets are either slashed or are non-existant, forcing states to sue the federal government for creating huge government agencies without a dime in funding. No Child Left Behind has caused the state of Utah to sue the federal government for not funding the mandate.
Education funding slashed, especially for higher education, forcing prices higher for school and forcing millions out of the dream of attending college.
And where is the independent auditing firm? Were they refering to Arthur Anderson? Non-existent.
Conservatives say that they want government "small enough to drown in a bathtub" (Grover Nordquist), but have instead created the largest most unweildy government in our nation's history, with a government that cannot move to help victims of the nation's largest natural disaster in the Gulf Coast.
They have created a national policy that allows for genocide to continue in Darfur. Why are the Republicans who say that they are helping Christians not helping Christians who are being massacred in Darfur? If that is not a holy war, then I don't know what is.
The bottom line is that Republicans had a dozen years to get these ideas done. They could have done it handily in the last 6 years as they control government and have shut Democrats out of the process entirely. Not one single Democratic bill has made it out of committee. Not one. Now THAT'S partisanship, and it's not what the Democrats will do in kind when they regain power. Only Republicans are that corrupt.
To date, of more than ten ideas, Republicans have implemented only part of two of these, and in a way that violates the Constitution. Further, the Republicans have recently passed a bill that removes habeus corpus which removes the Bill of Rights from our Constitution. They have shredded the very founding documents that are the basis for our democracy.
My comments in italics
Here is the BIG REPUBLICAN LIE of 1994, aka "The Contract With America":
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REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
* FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
* SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
* THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
* FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
* FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
* SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
* SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
* EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.
Ha! Fiscal what? Republicans have proved that they cannot be trusted with public money, period. Spending is WAY out of control and revenues are nearly non-existent due to tax cuts to the richest people on earth. They took an 11 trillion surplus and spent that, and then created a 9.3 trillion deficit which has caused major borrowing from our enemies. National security risk.
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.
Thanks to a lack of funding for first responders, especially police, and a rise in poverty levels due to reckless fiscal policy, crime is on the rise in many areas. Building prisons in not the answer. Providing more police is the answer to protecting citizens. Clinton's C.O.P.S program proved that by reducing crime. The death penalty has not been widely adopted as it flies in the face of the tenets of Christianity, a faith that Republicans falsely claim to represent.
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.
Teen pregnancy is on the rise thanks to efforts to kill education that would prevent pregnancy. Teen pregnancies and abortions were both on the decline under Clinton's time in office due to education regarding sex and pregnancy. Republicans are hipocrits here, saying that they want to end abortions on the one hand, and creating the very climate for an increased number of abortions on the other. Increases in poverty and crimes involving rape have made the abortion rate go up.
Reform of welfare was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed and Democrats co-sponsored and co-authored.
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.
Americans of the lower and middle income classes are bearing the brunt of the tax burden while corporations and the ultra wealthy pay nothing or next to nothing. The tax system that Republicans have created is completely and totally unfair and it has emptied the Treasury and bankrupted the nation. How can a family adopt a baby if they can't pay the bills? The Republicans recently eliminated a tax on dividend income, which makes the rich even richer. If you don't have enough money to afford to enter the stock market then you get stuck with the tax bill, but if you are wealthy then you get to avoid paying taxes on investments. This is not the way to help families. It's a big lie.
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.
Where are these mythical "American Dream Savings Accounts"?
See the above comments for how this is completely and totally irrelevant and unfair.
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.
National security has been a failure, and we were hit because the Bush Administration failed to act on intelligence that warned about planes flying into buildings. Bosnia now has a democracy without losing a single US soldier, but the Republicans were against going in to the region, and against helping stop the violence in Bosnia. The people in powere now have not served in the military, save Rumsfeld. We are more at risk now than ever by the Bush admininstration creating terrorists, and we have been hit in Damascus since 9/11, on US soil. The credibility of our government is shot to hell.
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.
Ha! The American people resoundingly rejected the neocon plan to rob the social security fund and swindle them out of their earnings, even after the amazing 60 stop tour on air force one at taxpayer expense. The feeble attempts to rook seniors by privatizing their income and destroy the New Deal has failed. Seniors are facing huge cuts to Medicare. Drug companies have received a windfall by convincing crooked Republicans to limit the access that seniors have to affordable drugs. Remember the speech where Bush likened Canada to a "third world"? More lies at the expense of seniors. They weren't fooled. Americans are losing ground in earnings, and prices are going through the roof, especially energy prices.
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.
This is a jobless economy. The Republicans under Bush have a dismal record of job creation. Republicans have removed the small business zone incentives, contrary to their promise. Capital gains cuts only help the already wealthy. Workers wages are stagnant or are losing ground. Many people are working two and three jobs to make ends meet. Remember when Bush interviewed a lady and she said that she had "three jobs", and Bush laughed and said "Good for you", and that she was "uniquely American".
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.
The "endless tide of litigation" is a myth not backed up by facts. There is no evidence to support this vague claim. It is unconstitutional to prevent the right of people to bring grievances to government.
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.
Where is this? This was never even addressed. Another lie.
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Where is this? It never happened.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
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The Republicans instead have brought us the most corrupt congress ever in our nation's history, and that's saying a lot. Republicans were posturing and blaming then, and they are posturing and blaming now, so nothing has changed. Most of the promises were never addressed, or were unconstitutional or violated law.
The Republicans have brought you the largest bribery and corruption scandal in the history of America. They have undermined the ethics process and thwarted investigations into known wrongdoing. The have not implemented most of the 9/11 commision reforms, and in fact actively resisted investigating the most important terror incident of our time. Even the second report on 9/11 has not been delieverd as was promised.
Of these many promised Republican only reforms, only COPA and the so called Tort Reform were passed, with much of both thrown out by justice as being unconstitutional, which tells you how little respect the Republicans have for the law. Neither product liability limits or caps on awards were passed.
Secret closed door meetings, secret energy policy meetings in violation of the law and of their posturing promises, preventing legal votes by voting in the middle of the night, holding votes open in violation of House rules, a fiscal policy of spending that is reckless and which is bankrupting our nation raising prices and taxes. The list of offenses is far too long and too big for this forum.
Poverty on the increase, increasing crime, while both police and homeland security budgets are either slashed or are non-existant, forcing states to sue the federal government for creating huge government agencies without a dime in funding. No Child Left Behind has caused the state of Utah to sue the federal government for not funding the mandate.
Education funding slashed, especially for higher education, forcing prices higher for school and forcing millions out of the dream of attending college.
And where is the independent auditing firm? Were they refering to Arthur Anderson? Non-existent.
Conservatives say that they want government "small enough to drown in a bathtub" (Grover Nordquist), but have instead created the largest most unweildy government in our nation's history, with a government that cannot move to help victims of the nation's largest natural disaster in the Gulf Coast.
They have created a national policy that allows for genocide to continue in Darfur. Why are the Republicans who say that they are helping Christians not helping Christians who are being massacred in Darfur? If that is not a holy war, then I don't know what is.
The bottom line is that Republicans had a dozen years to get these ideas done. They could have done it handily in the last 6 years as they control government and have shut Democrats out of the process entirely. Not one single Democratic bill has made it out of committee. Not one. Now THAT'S partisanship, and it's not what the Democrats will do in kind when they regain power. Only Republicans are that corrupt.
To date, of more than ten ideas, Republicans have implemented only part of two of these, and in a way that violates the Constitution. Further, the Republicans have recently passed a bill that removes habeus corpus which removes the Bill of Rights from our Constitution. They have shredded the very founding documents that are the basis for our democracy.
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