Tax and spend, or borrow and spend.......

[PuddinHead]

Sounds like an aptly named naive brainwashed college student to me.

I am a college graduate. I have worked as an Electrical Engineer for 25 years. Oh and before that I spent few years in the Navy. (Just for the hell of it.) The framework of our system of govt. has remained essentially the same for two hundred years. What has changed is the growth of special interest groups. They're not all bad, but most of them are. Social programs level the playing field. Believe me I know all about these Welfare types who are 100% useless. They consume and return nothing to our society. Other folks have worked all their live and have little but Social Security to show for it. Want to put them on the street?? And believe it or not there really are people who become disabled in this country. Put them on the street, deny them medical coverage?

I know what it feels like to fall out of the rack at 5:30 am to make an hour drive each way to work, to be on call at night after a full day on the job. It sucks. But I still believe we must have compassion for each other--even the drug addicted slugs.

No more cute remarks. Post something intelligent or shut the F'n up.

 

[Bent]

No more cute remarks. Post something intelligent or shut the F'n up.

OK, no more cute remarks. Fair enough. I'll recant the "aptly named" part of the comment; that could be construed as a personal attack. As for the rest of it, cute or not, my statement was an accurate assessment of your post.

Hugs and kisses!

 

[RichP]

Better take a closer at that military retirement, they only cover your medical till you reach medicare age then guess where you go next. It's not like the old days when you as a retired military could go to ANY military hospital, Army, Navy or air force and get treatment or even go to a nearby base and show up for 0800 sick call. The medical coverage in the military now flat out sucks.
As for social security, it was a flat out blatant tax by the democrats disguised as a benefit, when it was first started the median age for a US male to survive to was 50, a very few ever lived to collect it at 65. None of the male members of my family EVER collected a dime from SS or Medicare, they paid into it their whole lives.

As far as I'm concerned the government has had a steady program of raping and pillaging of the American citizen since the end of WWI, and it has continued and continues to this day. We really need to get politicians out of government and get people with true goals, honesty, integrity and a sense of duty, we don't have ANY of them in DC now.

 

[PuddinHead]

OK, no more cute remarks. Fair enough. I'll recant the "aptly named" part of the comment; that could be construed as a personal attack. As for the rest of it, cute or not, my statement was an accurate assessment of your post.

Hugs and kisses!

Nothing intelligent or constructive here. If you disagree, then offer specific reasons/arguments as to why and offer your counter opinions. You have done none of that on this thread so far.

 

[PuddinHead]

Better take a closer at that military retirement, they only cover your medical till you reach medicare age then guess where you go next. It's not like the old days when you as a retired military could go to ANY military hospital, Army, Navy or air force and get treatment or even go to a nearby base and show up for 0800 sick call. The medical coverage in the military now flat out sucks.
As for social security, it was a flat out blatant tax by the democrats disguised as a benefit, when it was first started the median age for a US male to survive to was 50, a very few ever lived to collect it at 65. None of the male members of my family EVER collected a dime from SS or Medicare, they paid into it their whole lives.

As far as I'm concerned the government has had a steady program of raping and pillaging of the American citizen since the end of WWI, and it has continued and continues to this day. We really need to get politicians out of government and get people with true goals, honesty, integrity and a sense of duty, we don't have ANY of them in DC now.

Well said! I would add one more virtue--Bravery!
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[Ben H]

The situation that our economy is in right now does not warrant taxes to be raised. A cyclical recession commands that consumers be prodded. I concur that our government is out of control and that some of the pig fat needs to be trimmed back, and get it to the point of servicing Americans again. So why would I want to keep feeding that pig with taxes? When taxes start going up, there has been a major war or government is getting out of control.

But if you we all were really interested in reducing the deficit the government should start drilling the shit out of every piece of land it controls. Call it the "National Oil company", and it is to be owned by all tax paying (aka. If you get a tax refund, you dont get a slice) citizens. Now you have me interested in jacking up taxes. Start competing for a little slice of Exxon's daily $1.1bil profits. We'll hire an oil CEO to run it, to ensure it makes lots of money. In a few years we should be able to take care of all the bitch ass social programs we have, and maybe stick a little money back into the stock holders pockets. Get that to pencil out and I'll cut the govt. a check every month. It might even entice some the freeloaders to start taking a little more pride the US. Remember that the sooner we burn through the oil and N.G., we have to go green anyways; right? How about that for some change.

 

[JoesXJ]

The situation that our economy is in right now does not warrant taxes to be raised. A cyclical recession commands that consumers be prodded. I concur that our government is out of control and that some of the pig fat needs to be trimmed back, and get it to the point of servicing Americans again. So why would I want to keep feeding that pig with taxes? When taxes start going up, there has been a major war or government is getting out of control.

But if you we all were really interested in reducing the deficit the government should start drilling the shit out of every piece of land it controls. Call it the "National Oil company", and it is to be owned by all tax paying (aka. If you get a tax refund, you dont get a slice) citizens. Now you have me interested in jacking up taxes. Start competing for a little slice of Exxon's daily $1.1bil profits. We'll hire an oil CEO to run it, to ensure it makes lots of money. In a few years we should be able to take care of all the bitch ass social programs we have, and maybe stick a little money back into the stock holders pockets. Get that to pencil out and I'll cut the govt. a check every month. It might even entice some the freeloaders to start taking a little more pride the US. Remember that the sooner we burn through the oil and N.G., we have to go green anyways; right? How about that for some change.

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[PuddinHead]

The situation that our economy is in right now does not warrant taxes to be raised. A cyclical recession commands that consumers be prodded. I concur that our government is out of control and that some of the pig fat needs to be trimmed back, and get it to the point of servicing Americans again. So why would I want to keep feeding that pig with taxes? When taxes start going up, there has been a major war or government is getting out of control.

But if you we all were really interested in reducing the deficit the government should start drilling the shit out of every piece of land it controls. Call it the "National Oil company", and it is to be owned by all tax paying (aka. If you get a tax refund, you dont get a slice) citizens. Now you have me interested in jacking up taxes. Start competing for a little slice of Exxon's daily $1.1bil profits. We'll hire an oil CEO to run it, to ensure it makes lots of money. In a few years we should be able to take care of all the bitch ass social programs we have, and maybe stick a little money back into the stock holders pockets. Get that to pencil out and I'll cut the govt. a check every month. It might even entice some the freeloaders to start taking a little more pride the US. Remember that the sooner we burn through the oil and N.G., we have to go green anyways; right? How about that for some change.

This makes too much sense because it would probably work. Personally I think we should nationalize all the oil companys and include their assets into a "National Oil Company". Fat chance of any of this happening. We don't pull their strings. They pull ours.:cheers:

 

[Ben H]

This makes too much sense because it would probably work. Personally I think we should nationalize all the oil companys and include their assets into a "National Oil Company". Fat chance of any of this happening. We don't pull their strings. They pull ours.:cheers:

Cant nationalize the oil companies. That goes against free market rules. However if a National Oil Company was formed, it would increase competition, supply would increase, prices would drop and we would all be happy; unitil of course, we really do run out of oil.

 

[RichP]

Cant nationalize the oil companies. That goes against free market rules. However if a National Oil Company was formed, it would increase competition, supply would increase, prices would drop and we would all be happy; unitil of course, we really do run out of oil.

All the real oil companies, the ones that actually SUPPLY oil from the ground, are national oil companies, from the saudi's to the Iranians to the Russians who basically threw the CEO of their oil company into a gulag for a few years [he musta not been paying the right people off in the politburo or whatever they have now], in every country in the world the oil in the ground belongs to the COUNTRY not the corporation. Ya gotta remember, Exxon, Shell, BP are all really small potatoes in the oil business, they don't actually own their own oil fields or their own oil until they buy it.
They are all also making up for getting kicked by chevez where they lost major investments in the wells they drilled, pipelines they built and the whole infrastructure thing, as I remember it was a 70/30 deal down there, the oil companies got 70% but they paid for all the work, did the work the govt just sat back and got 30% for doing nothing, Chavez reversed it to 30/70 and made it non-negotiable...

 

[Ben H]

All the real oil companies, the ones that actually SUPPLY oil from the ground, are national oil companies, from the saudi's to the Iranians to the Russians who basically threw the CEO of their oil company into a gulag for a few years [he musta not been paying the right people off in the politburo or whatever they have now], in every country in the world the oil in the ground belongs to the COUNTRY not the corporation. Ya gotta remember, Exxon, Shell, BP are all really small potatoes in the oil business, they don't actually own their own oil fields or their own oil until they buy it.
They are all also making up for getting kicked by chevez where they lost major investments in the wells they drilled, pipelines they built and the whole infrastructure thing, as I remember it was a 70/30 deal down there, the oil companies got 70% but they paid for all the work, did the work the govt just sat back and got 30% for doing nothing, Chavez reversed it to 30/70 and made it non-negotiable...

Precisely why we cant take over the existing US oil companies. Small potatoes are still potatoes.

 

[PuddinHead]

Short term we need to increase supply and decrease demand. Long term (and not very long) we should do whatever it takes to get free from foreign oil. Anybody seen the T. Boone Pickens commercial? He's right, we really can't drill our way out of this. We have to stop buying so much foreign crude and we should have done it a long time ago. There is only one way and I know its unpopular and that is nuclear energy. Nuclear power plants to make electricity and electricity to make hydrogen. Not the whole solution, but a major component. Remember Three Mile Island? When that happened all the oil executives in this country squirted all over themselves.arty: arty: arty: arty:

 

[k.smith904]

i swear if obama gets elected were screwed.

Vote McCain so we can implement a Fair Tax Policy, which would subsequently reduce illegal immigration...

 

[ZomBrady]

i swear if obama gets elected were screwed.

Vote McCain so we can implement a Fair Tax Policy, which would subsequently reduce illegal immigration...

Exactly how is a Fair Tax Policy going to reduce the illegal alien problem?

 

[Darky]

Exactly how is a Fair Tax Policy going to reduce the illegal alien problem?

Because

 

[JNickel101]

I imagine they're referring to a consumption tax....which would increase the price of goods and/or some services, but eliminate the income tax that illegals don't pay anyway....

So it might be harder for them to make ends meet - but even if/when they do, at least now they're paying taxes.

 

[JNickel101]

Better take a closer at that military retirement, they only cover your medical till you reach medicare age then guess where you go next. It's not like the old days when you as a retired military could go to ANY military hospital, Army, Navy or air force and get treatment or even go to a nearby base and show up for 0800 sick call. The medical coverage in the military now flat out sucks.
As for social security, it was a flat out blatant tax by the democrats disguised as a benefit, when it was first started the median age for a US male to survive to was 50, a very few ever lived to collect it at 65. None of the male members of my family EVER collected a dime from SS or Medicare, they paid into it their whole lives.

As far as I'm concerned the government has had a steady program of raping and pillaging of the American citizen since the end of WWI, and it has continued and continues to this day. We really need to get politicians out of government and get people with true goals, honesty, integrity and a sense of duty, we don't have ANY of them in DC now.

Military health care has always sucked - but I can guarantee you there are folks older than "medicare" age are still getting their prescriptions filled and seeing doctors "space available" at the clinic at Holloman. I see them all the time there. So unless my quick Google searching is wrong - 65 is Medicare age - then I think you might be a bit wrong, at least partly.

 

[k.smith904]

Because

because, and pardon my french, these poor ass mexicans won't be able to afford a 25% sales tax. Also, to hell with our social security system. We need either personal social security accounts, or else do away with the whole thing.

 

[PuddinHead]

because, and pardon my french, these poor ass mexicans won't be able to afford a 25% sales tax. Also, to hell with our social security system. We need either personal social security accounts, or else do away with the whole thing.

25% You're killing me!

 

[XJEEPER]

Education, it's good for your noggin.

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