...sorry...another build thread...

[blondejoncherokee]

The wj has a really short wheelbase I wouldn't feel too comfortable towing a 1500-200lb trailer and 4.5-6k xj.

Suburbans are plentiful and so are 1500/2500 and prices are decent. Find a beater with decent miles Imo

We flat towed a 67 wagoneer from cool to patterson with the wj, pulled just fine. You could feel the weight back there, but it wasn't in the list bit scary. I'll ever understand the comments about the towed load weighing more than the tow rig, pulled over 12k lbs with the f250 like it wasn't even back there and the f250 weighed about 7500lbs.

this is very good to to know actually.

WJ, assuming its a 4.7L, is rated to tow 6500 pounds.

My XJ in full race trim weighs 4880, and my trailer weighs 1100.

I have a friend that competes eurotrial with a 4.0L XJ in the Czech Republic. His tow rig is a 2.5L diesel XJ.

WJ would be a dream to those guys

its the 4.7. I am still worried about blowing up the aluminum C clip dana 44 rear.

 

[zachandandy]

Wj's don't run c-clips, shafts are held in by the bearing retainer plate at the wheel. When she went to 35's we blew up the spiders in the 44A, went to an aussie locker and started breaking shafts. Towing, even near the 6500lb limit was never a problem.

 

[blondejoncherokee]

Wj's don't run c-clips, shafts are held in by the bearing retainer plate at the wheel. When she went to 35's we blew up the spiders in the 44A, went to an aussie locker and started breaking shafts. Towing, even near the 6500lb limit was never a problem.

Dude this is great news. Now I am seriously thinking about it. Wow. I didnt realize I already had a tow rig. this wont stop me from getting a f250 or suburban but it will buy me some time.

 

[Mike1331]

wheelbase is a huge factor in safely towing. I would not want to tow down ice house road with wj wheelbase. Not saying it cant, it's just far from the wheelbase needed to safely tow a car trailor. I've heard too many stories of people loosing control while they're towing with a midsized suv to ever want to do it. I put too much time in money into my junk to risk loosing it to that one in a million avaisive manuver you couldn't come out of due to wheelbase.

 

[zachandandy]

wj wheelbase is 106", not that short compared to a full size wagoneer at 109", a short bed mj at 113", or a standard cab f150 at 117". What is the safe cut off as far as wheelbase? It's rated to safely tow 6500lbs and if you're talking emergency evasive actions, I think Jon's already proven that he's better of with the xj on the trailer.

 

[cal]

this is very good to to know actually.

its the 4.7. I am still worried about blowing up the aluminum C clip dana 44 rear.

Dana 60's have little tiny 30 spline axles.

So do Unimog c303 portals.


Run good gear lube, tow rigs care about ring gears, not axle shafts.

 

[Mike1331]

wj wheelbase is 106", not that short compared to a full size wagoneer at 109", a short bed mj at 113", or a standard cab f150 at 117". What is the safe cut off as far as wheelbase? It's rated to safely tow 6500lbs and if you're talking emergency evasive actions, I think Jon's already proven that he's better of with the xj on the trailer.

It's basic laws of physics; the longer the tow vehicle wheelbase and heavier the tow vehicle, the less apt sway is to begin. There are formulas people out there use to determine min wheelbase allotted per trailer length and weight but I can't remember them. I personally wouldn't tow with any of those vehicles you mentioned and went straight to a long bed ext. Cab f250 but everyone has different comfort levels.

 

[cal]

yup.

towing a long trailer with a short truck is dangerous and should never be done.

 

[831_xj]

Oh hell this is getting funny haha

 

[cal]

Maybe this is more true to a WJ's ability.

 

[zachandandy]

Using the trucking industry as an example shows the illogical paranoia about towing with an suv. Those trucks regularly tow loads 3x the weight of the rig. They have 240"-265" wheel bases but tow 60' trailers. No matter what formula you try to apply to it, a wj can easily, safely, and effectively tow an xj on a 16' car trailer.

 

[831_xj]

Just set up the MJ for a 5th wheel toy hauler.. :greensmoke:

 

[cal]

Using the trucking industry as an example shows the illogical paranoia about towing with an suv. Those trucks regularly tow loads 3x the weight of the rig. They have 240"-265" wheel bases but tow 60' trailers. No matter what formula you try to apply to it, a wj can easily, safely, and effectively tow an xj on a 16' car trailer.

what he said.

tow capacity is, always has been, and always will be, limited by the braking systems of the tow vehicles.

the WJ's native brakes are so good, its the common application used for our brake upgrades for 35" tires and is almost exactly the same spec as the system on a Dodge Ram 1500 or Durango.

 

[831_xj]

Also take into account... the WJ is lifted. And on bigger tires. Towing with it would be decent at stock but leaves you wanting more even so Unless it was geared deep for towing. Those nice inclines will make that boy work.

Big gasser or nice 7.3 powerchoke is nice.

The vortech 8100 in my burb has 455 lb of torque if I recall.. Obviously I know diesel is gonna have more. But thats like 50% over the 4.7L GC motor that has like 300ft lbs?

 

[831_xj]

Maybe this is more true to a WJ's ability.

:roflmao::roflmao:

 

[Mike1331]

Semi's are a horrible example, apples to oranges. Completely different build. Well just agree to disagree. I've personally seen short base suv's loose control towing very easily and choose to steer clear because of that.

 

[cal]

by that same logic, driving a lifted rig is completely unsafe and we should stay away.

or using elevators.

can you believe i have personally been in *three* elevators that failed and dropped me strait to the basement? The last one jarred on impact, and they had to cut my friend and I out with a saw.


If it wasn't very safe, the WJ wouldn't be rated to 6500 pounds, end of story. Towing with a ford escape or kia would be a really bad idea, but a WJ is more than enough truck for the job.


..maybe not with jon driving, but the car should be good to go.

 

[Luke95]

Re: THe NAC Lots-O-Stove thread

That's my buddies zj and that was take at rausch creek

Maybe this is more true to a WJ's ability.

 

[rockclimber]

Re: THe NAC Lots-O-Stove thread

That's my buddies zj and that was take at rausch creek

cool story bro. :thumbup:

 

[GordoSmasho]

cool story bro. :thumbup:

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