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Man, this is pointless in trying to reason with him, all I was trying to do was raise awareness that this company is charging too high of a price for a bumper that is not much better than other well made ones that are similar in design and selling for way less. And I wanted to get the message across to my fellow Jeepers in this forum and others. I was honestly trying to help and I get grief by posting a message to help others? That does NOT make sense. I guess I have failed to help... and was 2-3 years too late to convince Handlebars from purchasing this particular $1,000 bumper.
Hmmm, I thought I said earlier I didn't want a debate, I guess I will indulge this guy and help him see the error of his ways... Handlbars! Please come back from the dark side! Well, he is worth saving... after all, he is a Jeeper! hehehehe.
Man, it is just a bumper, a utilitarian product designed to help protect the vehicle and its occupants from and outside force, no more, no less. Sure you can add stuff to it to make and it more capable, like a reciever hitch with mountain bikes in tow, maybe a couple of jerry cans of gas, a water tank, a cb antenna mount, a huge spare tire and a highlift, a cooler, a shovel, a axe, and not to mention a backup light, a license plate and towing a trailer. While we are at it, throw in a air compressor and air tank and a welding kit and a flux capacitor. If it can handle ALL of that at once and maybe a forcefield too then sign me up! Sure! I'll put my money where my mouth is and buy one from bulletproof mfg RIGHT FREAKIN NOW!! Now that bumper would be worth a thousand dollars! And yes I have said before it is quality made, just from seeing the pictures it ain't too much different than manufacterers who are offering a similar product that can do it the same thing. Why? Are their welds are 1/16 of an inch thicker than everybody else's welds? Or they did one more extra pass of powdercoating? But all that to justify their pricing? Certainly cannot handle all that I just mentioned above, if they can do all that, ya that would be worth it! Or is it? To have that much weight in the back, and possibly "turtle" your Jeep on a slight hill,
...ok I was just teasin, I will buy it w/o the forcefield!
On the other hand, it maybe easy to be popping wheelies all of over the place!
Do we not watch television to learn and SEE some far distant land and its native people/animals and how they live? I can accept that fact, by watching television, I can pretty much get the gist of it. Sure I can go in person and see for myself and see and meet the people and experience the culture... but how can I experience a bumper? Hmm, what do I do? Buy it flowers? I therefore do not have to see the bumper in person to verify it and redraw the same conclusion. I never knocked it as being a bad product.
However, I did make a statement about the company, I never attacked the individuals personally, because I simply do not know them. I did make a remark that critised them as a business entity. For example, don't we knock the government for all its bureuacracies and their bumbling and mistreatment/mishandling of funds/people and we the people of the United States continue to support them? But I digress. But as a business entity, they have made a poor decision to sell a particular product. I honestly wish them to be successful, but I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.
So, along come this fool, (yes I am stooping to his level since he knows this hostile attitude more fluently, so I am trying to speak on his level that he understands
), I was being very positive towards him and with respect, I guess he didn't understand me too well as you can see the previous posts to him by me), who made it abundantly clear that he bought a bumper from bulletproof mfg... you know what, I should be happy for him,that he got swindled out of a lot money and he is proud of the fact of owning one.
Most any sane person can draw the same conclusion as I have. Maybe he is related to someone there or has a friend who works there, or simply he has this hard on for this company and the design of this particular bumper... I dunno, this is just pure speculation. In case he is reading, I meant "guessing". Perhaps I should call the company and congratulate them to get a sucker to buy their hideously expensive product.
You know, if they really made a unique bumper, I would be happy to spend that kind of dough on it, say like if they had built in shock absorbers or springs designed to maximize protection, and at the same time drastically minimize injuries to the occupants and to the vehicle itself. That would be very cool... as they say to be "truly be worth its weight in gold". As I have said this in real life... if someone or company makes a product good or bad, there is almost always someone out there to buy it. Yet this fool who had his money parted for one; really confirms my statement.
Maybe he feels buyers remorse and won't come clean that he made a mistake in buying a insanely expensive bumper. :nono: I guess if I was in his shoes, I wouldn't admit it either for being a jackass in buying a bumper that is probably worth about half the resale value of his Cherokee. For him being childish and implying that I am being unpatriotic is his only source of comfort and make himself feel justified. Geeze, and I was only helping? I feel a crab pulling me down to his level, maybe that is the only language he knows. So he is resourceful that he found out I have posted this message in another forum. JU... so what? I don't care if some people don't like that forum, I find the people over there equally friendly and helpful with others, they seem to be more verbal and ask maybe more seemingly dumb questions/statements. I think that is how you learn, by asking, at least they are trying to ask for help.
, is also a very cool place, a bit more refined, and also lots of people here are helpful as well, but isn't there a bad apple in every place you go to anyways? nudge nudge... Right Handlebars? As in real life? Sheesh. Don't we have a right to speak wherever we wish, within reason? The Internet... yes everyone can post, since it is one of the last places for free speech
atriot: ... well mostly free. And I am excercising my right to do so as he is. And in doing so, I have noticed this thread has others talking about other topics in this thread intelligently, this shows me all these Jeepers are pretty well informed in other topics as well as Cherokees! hehe, I am happy to be part of it as well.
I think he just insulted all of us by saying this blanket statement... "The greatest thing about the internet is that everybody has a voice. The worst thing about the internet is that everybody has a voice."
Will someone explain to me his doubletalk means? What hearsay? what rumours? Refrain from what? My opinions and speculations? Heck NO! I found the site through another site, not from
. Get yer facts straight buddy. Or did someone... Handlebars? Did he forget to take his medication today?
"Please refrain from posting hearsay and unfounded rumors on
." :sure:
In his blindness in the pursuit of bashing me he is really losing it with this statement...
"Looking at the facts at hand I don't see any evidence that you are qualified to tell the WWW that Bulletproof bumpers are not even worth considering for purchase."
In fact, I do feel very qualified to tell the entire Internet what I think... and Handlebars... you want to know why I feel very qualified? It is my MONEY or lack thereof on that entitles me to speak on what to purchase. I guess he never heard of this before... every time you purchase something, you are in fact voting for that particular product or service, and I feel VERY qualified to help persuade others who have money as well to help intelligently make an informed decision to purchase... in this case a bumper. And I have voiced my concern, if anyone cares to hear me or not. It is their choice, if they do buy a bumper from bulletproof mfg or not, I don't care. Enjoy your new $1,000 dollar bumper sucker! :looser: For a thousand dollars, I could gotten a front and rear bumper that is almost 95% equal to his bumper (I think he rams trees and rocks on purpose and drag that huge Ass tire on his bumper from that pix he posted to justify that extra 5%) and still have left over to buy a cheap 2" BB PLUS a Rusty's airtube and K&N air filter. But if I can influence one person not to buy one at that current price, I feel I have done a good deed for the day.
I guess he doesn't go out to other good Cherokee forums much does he?
"It is the last bastion of good, reliable Cherokee tech on the net. Thank you!"
These are really good sites with good info on Jeeps in general and Cherokees, to name a few. There is lots of other good sites I haven't mentioned but equally good, don't let him fool ya that the :
: is the ONLY bastion of good reliable Cherokee tech out there... ya right!
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com
http://www.4wd.com/forums/
http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/indexflash.htm
http://www.ilovejeeps.com/
To everyone who made it this far, in terms of my ramblings. Thanks for reading, it has helped me to calm down a bit. Sure I started this thread, anyone can read it or not, no problem, if you don't like it you can read something else. Last time I checked it is a free country.
atriot: I am sure he will try to end this thread and get the last word in. Maybe I am being childish in response to his statements, but for the most part I am just being a man about it and help, instead of bashing people who try to help others.
eace: :viking:
