"I'll buy almost anything if it's shiny and made by Apple."

[mikedashg]

obviously most people aren't doing that.

Totally with you. Most people aren't. But you might be surprised at the amount who are. I'm one of em for sure.

IT guys are switching because it's easier to support a multi-os environment on a Mac. Running multiple OSs at the same time too. You can natively interface with unix machines, windows, and of course the Macs on the network much easier.

My FAVORITE part of the Apple phenomenom is that they had to go to Unix to get an operating system worth a crap and they had to go to Intel to get a real chip.

Yeah, anything less then OS X was a pile of $#!+. That was pre-unix days. I was a PC person in those days, and for good reason. Macs were awful. They crashed worse then PCs did. And you couldn't really run more then a couple programs at once. But you were better off with one at a time. I hate meeting die hard Mac fans that say to me "Oh, I've been on Macs since OS 6" I usually say "I'm sorry" and walk away. haha. Those people are just diluted Mac fanatics. I like Macs for a reason, they run OS X. I'm not really a Mac person, I'm an OS X person.

As far as the chip goes. The G series chips were made by Motorola, and they couldn't give Apple what they wanted (and what consumers were asking for), so they looked elsewhere. Intel had a huge market in the processor chip business. Being a much bigger processor chip giant then Motorola, they could afford to come out with faster, cooler running chips. They even push Intel now to make smaller, faster, cooler chips. Look at the MacBook air. It's only that thin for a reason. Apple went to Intel and said "we want this processor, but it's too big, so make it smaller" so they did.

thats 5 programs that are near impossible to run on a mac without supporting software. i could come up with more if you'd like.

where as my 4ish year old gateway base laptop that cost me 600 bux can run then with no problems.

and i have used solidworks on a macbook pro...and my gateway is faster. so do the cost comparison there. there isnt any. a 2k laptop vs a 600 laptop doing the exact same thing. i had this discussion with a kid in my mfg class. he basically swore by macs and said his macbook pro would out perform any comp on the market. well my 600 gateway shut him up really fast. the macbook was slow and glitchy and it didn't like doing high resolution rendering.

and for the record. a MAC cannot ever run an SLS, SLA, DLP, or any other rapid prototyping machine. they do not have the capability, and none of the companies are willing to put the time into writing the software, because they have an already solid base to work with in XP and windows.

don't get me wrong, i dig mac, i have an iPod. but they are made for people that don't want to do the work to maintain a computer. plain and simple. they are not infallable, they are not the end all be of comps. they are turning into a jokish fad.

like cracker said its funny they are resorting to Intel and Unix to make a better product...lol

Supporting software? You know dual boot is built in? No additional software needed. If you need to run ANY program at 100% native speed in ANY operating system, you can.

I don't have experience with solid works, but I'm betting it's a version thing. Sometimes the Mac version of a program WILL suck, or there is no other option for it. In that I case I use Parallels to run it, no rebooting, no emulation (it's virtualization). Even Windows Vista runs better on a Mac then it does on a PC. So I wouldn't know why solid works wouldn't.

 

[cracker]

Hey Cracker, I thought you earned brownie points in the PC world for things being complicated. Sorry the terminal window is so scary man. LOL.

I never said scary. I said not easy to use. I am not scared to use it but I guarantee it is intimidating for 97% of all mac users which IS scary to them.

Typical Mac user trying to justify things.

 

[mikedashg]

I never said scary. I said not easy to use. I am not scared to use it but I guarantee it is intimidating for 97% of all mac users which IS scary to them.

Typical Mac user trying to justify things.

And 98% of those Mac users have no idea it's even there. I was at the Apple store one time and a Unix guy wanted to see where the terminal app, so he asked one of the people that worked there. He didn't even know. I had to tell em "it's under utilities" or "is your spotlight broken?"

Sometimes people ask me for help and I drop into terminal and they've never seen it before and can't understand the concept of what I'm even doing. It's like a Windows user not know what DOS is or how to get to it. Although I hate to compare the OS X shell to a DOS prompt. But it's a similar idea .

 

[tripdog]

So I take it you control your peecee from the command line right? I'm sure at least 97% of peecee users do the same since they are such advanced users. What the heck is an install wizzard anyway LOL. :shhh:

All good Cracker, I'm just a graphic designer/web developer who uses this platform to make my living. For me, and what I do it's the best tool out there.

I never said scary. I said not easy to use. I am not scared to use it but I guarantee it is intimidating for 97% of all mac users which IS scary to them.

Typical Mac user trying to justify things.

 

[mikedashg]

it's the best tool out there.

Tom, YOU'RE the best tool out there.

 

[tripdog]

Yeah I get that alot LOL

 

[GSequoia]

1. They have poor affordability
2. They don't get viruses
3. Your sexuality has to be in question to use one
4. They hide many of the 'nuts and bolts' for tweaking
5. No one wants to be like Geoff

1: Not if you compare them to like machines. If you compare an iMac to an eMachine you're comparing good components to crap.
2: Nor Malware!
3: What do you mean sexy man?
4: As does Windows, in fact in my experience it's more difficult to get Windows to do exactly what I want it to.
5: Where is that jerk? I want to kick his ass.

My FAVORITE part of the Apple phenomenom is that they had to go to Unix to get an operating system worth a crap and they had to go to Intel to get a real chip.

I'll give you OS X, there was a big improvement there. As for the chip the G5 was a GREAT chip and beat the pants off of Intel's chips when it came out, the problem is that Motorola didn't want to put the R&D into making it smaller and cooler for laptop usage.

Typical Mac user trying to justify things.

Fawk you, my Kool Aid looks better, tastes better, and doesn't make me all fat and icky!

 

[Clean Racing]

There is a sucker for everything...:jester:

 

[Ryan93]

Macs cant play sweet games... enough of a reason why i wouldnt buy one haha

 

[mikedashg]

Macs cant play sweet games... enough of a reason why i wouldnt buy one haha

Bite your tongue!!!!!!!!!
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=MjQyMTYwNQ

And if that's not enough...
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/3d/

You can play Windows only 3D games on your Mac if there isn't a Mac countepart. But 90% of the time, there is a Mac ver available.


It's called a common misconception, ie outdated thinking. Welcome to 2008. It's not 1999 anymore.

 

[cracker]

Bite your tongue!!!!!!!!!
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=MjQyMTYwNQ

And if that's not enough...
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/3d/

You can play Windows only 3D games on your Mac if there isn't a Mac countepart. But 90% of the time, there is a Mac ver available.


It's called a common misconception, ie outdated thinking. Welcome to 2008. It's not 1999 anymore.

2008?

 

[mikedashg]

2008?

Yeah, 2008 is when Parallels offered 3D support for just about any Windows compatible games on the Mac. That's what I was referring to. Not the current year.

 

[Ryan93]

another thing that kinda bugs me with macs is you cant customize them... meaning you cant build your own... meaning you literally cant build your own. I like to upgrade my computer hardware and i can replace them myself getting new graphics and whatnot. with Macs you cant do that. No biggie if you dont ever have any interest in that.. just a hobby of mine. dont get me wrong i like macs there just not for me.

 

[Ryno XJ]

I like apples..........................but I prefer oranges! :eyes:

 

[cracker]

another thing that kinda bugs me with macs is you cant customize them... meaning you cant build your own... meaning you literally cant build your own. I like to upgrade my computer hardware and i can replace them myself getting new graphics and whatnot. with Macs you cant do that. No biggie if you dont ever have any interest in that.. just a hobby of mine. dont get me wrong i like macs there just not for me.

The Mac os is incapable of varied hardware configurations unlike Windows where it is designed for an infinity of hardware variations.

The first thing Steve Jobs did when he came back to apple was eliminate all the 'clones'.

 

[GSequoia]

another thing that kinda bugs me with macs is you cant customize them... meaning you cant build your own... meaning you literally cant build your own. I like to upgrade my computer hardware and i can replace them myself getting new graphics and whatnot. with Macs you cant do that. No biggie if you dont ever have any interest in that.. just a hobby of mine. dont get me wrong i like macs there just not for me.

You can upgrade, get new video cards, etc.

You cannot build your own, you are correct here. The reason is stability, and it makes a difference. There hasn't been a completely crappy Mac OS computer since the Performa days (Apples old CEO days when they paid more attention to the bottom line than a quality product for the consumer line). PCs still have junk computers build by junk vendors (Gateway anybody?). Now that prices are down to comparable levels with PCs it doesn't really bother me anymore.

 

[mikedashg]

another thing that kinda bugs me with macs is you cant customize them... meaning you cant build your own... meaning you literally cant build your own. I like to upgrade my computer hardware and i can replace them myself getting new graphics and whatnot. with Macs you cant do that. No biggie if you dont ever have any interest in that.. just a hobby of mine. dont get me wrong i like macs there just not for me.

You CAN upgrade the hardware. I did it all the time on my tower. Upgraded the memory, the video card, etc. You can't really do a CPU though. You don't get OS rot with a Mac so there's no need to upgrade the CPU since it doesn't feel like it's slower after you've had it for a year .