Got balls?

Thats so incredibly stupid, are they going to ban all movies then too or tv that have some sexual content?

O well, I guess my friend Chucky can't roam around with his blue balls
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99XJSPORT06 said:
Not everybody can view that thread, seeing as how it's in the Den....
Everyone here over the age of eighteen is welcome to join...in fact isn't this membership drive month?
 
I dont like the "Bull testicles" myself, but I may have to get a pair if MD bans them and make a point of driving around with them swinging, just because.
I cant see how that law is enforcable. I think it would have to be proven that they are in fact "testicles" and not exotic fruit or a sack of golf balls. It would almost be worth the ticket to get to listen to a state trooper describing in detail why he believes they are testicles and not something else.
I wonder if it would be illegal to have "actual" bull testicles hanging off your truck. According to whats stated above, it would be illegal to have something that depicts anatomy but not actual anatomy.
 
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ram360cid said:
Yes, very stupid.


Which, the plasti-nads or the proposed legislation? It's difficult to choose in this case.
 
casm said:
Which, the plasti-nads or the proposed legislation? It's difficult to choose in this case.

No argument here. I have my balls in the truck, not on it.

As far as lawmakers, I suppose the entire collection of them (nationwide!) might manage the collective IQ of a hamster, but would still lose an argument with one of my rats. Gawd help them if I ever get a hold of them - 'cause I sure won't.

I'd still like to see a "zero growth" measure - if you want to pass a new law, you have to have a provision to rescind an existing law. This would be easy for the first year or so - there's a lot of 100-year-old laws that just don't apply anymore. Once we work through those, then I want to see some serious logical justification!

Although, if the timing is right, we could move "zero growth" to "negative growth" right about the time they run out of stupid **** to take off the books - pass one law, rescind two.

Ever been to a law libarary? Between the texts of the laws (on all levels!) and the texts of various court precedents (and nearly any case over 50 years old probably doesn't apply anymore...) I keep waiting for a courthouse somewhere to undergo gravitational collapse under its own weight. If it condenses into neutronium, we just end up with a deep hole. If we get a point singularity, we've got serious problems (but the law won't be among them anymore...)

Honestly - if the body of law an individual is subject to can't be condensed into a single volume about the size of a novel, written in plain English, and can't be read in a week-end, we need to seriously re-think things. The damn Vehicle Code for California is about the size of Frank Herbert's Dune series - all six novels! Problem is, Dune is much more interesting reading (but getting a copy of the vehicle code every time I renew my driver's license has probably saved me a good ten thousand over the last 17 years... Anything that complicated is going to have a whole slew of major holes in it - and I have been doing a good job of finding them...)
 
5-90, I think that the negative growth idea is great. I have never considered that before. It is a real shame all of the legislation that we are expected to live by that we have no idea even exists.

As far as things being complicated, think about the tax strucure. People have to go to school for years to come close to even understanding it, yet it is something that eveyone is expected to comply with fully or face fines/prison. It should be illegal for it to be that complicated. The tax structure should be simple enough that anyone with a High School diploma can do their tax return without worry.
 
5-90 said:
Ever been to a law libarary? Between the texts of the laws (on all levels!) and the texts of various court precedents (and nearly any case over 50 years old probably doesn't apply anymore...) I keep waiting for a courthouse somewhere to undergo gravitational collapse under its own weight. If it condenses into neutronium, we just end up with a deep hole. If we get a point singularity, we've got serious problems (but the law won't be among them anymore...)

Honestly - if the body of law an individual is subject to can't be condensed into a single volume about the size of a novel, written in plain English, and can't be read in a week-end, we need to seriously re-think things. The damn Vehicle Code for California is about the size of Frank Herbert's Dune series - all six novels! Problem is, Dune is much more interesting reading (but getting a copy of the vehicle code every time I renew my driver's license has probably saved me a good ten thousand over the last 17 years... Anything that complicated is going to have a whole slew of major holes in it - and I have been doing a good job of finding them...)

Well, if you really want to know, a good portion of the problem is the English language itself - plain English isn't precise, and you already know what happens when you try to write Precise English (see above quote excerpt).

This, incidentally, is why you don't write computer programs in English. I mean, hell, if we natives can't make ourselves understood to each other 100% of the time, what hope does a relentlessly logical computer have?

That gives me an answer to the problem of laws that are written in confusing, complex English:

***Begin Proposal***

Henceforth, all laws shall be written as Ada computer programs. Ada, as many of you computer geeks know, is a high-level (read: English-like) programming language that is very strongly typed. Generally, if you write an Ada program and it compiles, it will run (the same cannot always be said of C/C++, which allows programmers to "run amuck" and still get the right thing to come out). All high school graduates shall have to take and a basic Ada computer programming class and/or pass a comprehension/skills test, which gives them the necessary tools to understand the laws (societal source code).

Lawmakers would be required to use validated compilers, debuggers, and linkers (to cross-reference to pieces of other laws).

***End of Proposal***

Rob
 
5-90 said:
I'd still like to see a "zero growth" measure - if you want to pass a new law, you have to have a provision to rescind an existing law. This would be easy for the first year or so - there's a lot of 100-year-old laws that just don't apply anymore. Once we work through those, then I want to see some serious logical justification!

Something I'd like to add to this: measures to make legislators both legally- and financially-responsible for introducing legislation that's unconstitutional or just plain illegal.

We see the same idiotic bills and measures introduced here year after year after year by the same people who just want an audience while they bang on their pots. Make them personally responsible for all the waste they generate, and I'll guarantee that we'll have a much more shipshape legal system as well as far fewer idiot politicians screwing the legislative process for their own ends.

That and a flat-rate tax scheme (adios IRS)... Oh, if only...
 
May we all pause in silence in loving memory of the Bill of Rights.

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casm said:
Something I'd like to add to this: measures to make legislators both legally- and financially-responsible for introducing legislation that's unconstitutional or just plain illegal.

We see the same idiotic bills and measures introduced here year after year after year by the same people who just want an audience while they bang on their pots. Make them personally responsible for all the waste they generate, and I'll guarantee that we'll have a much more shipshape legal system as well as far fewer idiot politicians screwing the legislative process for their own ends.

That and a flat-rate tax scheme (adios IRS)... Oh, if only...

I think we'd have to achieve "zero growth" before we could get to the "negative growth" idea - it would be a stepping stone.

English may be imprecise, but it's the lingua franca of the United States. Ho about all laws shall be written at, say, a ninth-grade reading level?

As far as the tax code goes (26CFR and, I think 17USC,) there's a movement afoot for a flat tax (www.fairtax.org,) but it's designed to be "revenue neutral" - which only fixes part of the problem. However, it's somewhat like the National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) a number of us have been talking about for the last few years. However, I'm more in favour of an NRST of 6-10% vice the "revenue neutral" "23% with 'prebates.'"

Yes, this would reduce government funding. Answer? Stop paying congresscritters, stop paying their pensions (the fact that someone can sit in office for 20-30 years is disturbing. The fact that they can collect pensions after four to six years' service is thoroughly disheartening...) and reduce the size of the government functionaries who don't actually do anything productive. Also - reduce, eliminate, or reform welfare programmes so that we get something back for our funding - a la Works Progress Administration. You want to collect? You go to school or go to work - and it doesn't take any particular skill to operate a shovel, rake, or broom. Also, once you get on the dole, the amount is capped - if you have any more kids, it's your problem. And, you're limited to two years (except in special circumstances) at a time.

If we have to pay congresscritters, then let's take away their ability to vote themselves pay rises. Better - have them propose their pay rise to the constituency at large. They have to explain how much more they need, why they need it, and what they've done to merit it. Then, we vote. Require, say, a 75% majority with a minimum of 67% voter turnout - fail either of those, and you don't get the raise. Fair enough?

I've got my ideas - and I should really write them down one of these days. I just ain't in charge...
 
dspilot said:
5-90 for president!!!

Thank you, no. If I went into politics, I'd have to kick my own arse on a daily basis - probably twice.

I'll settle for having a firm grip on his ear - I'll probably get more done that way anyhow, and I'd be around longer (so I'd be more likely to have a useful effect - some of these changes have to be done piecewise...)

Either that, or a permanent Cabinet-level post - "Secretary of Common Sense," or something similar.

Besides, I make too much sense. I'd never get elected...
 
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