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Cranks, has spark, fuel pressure, voltage to injectors..

willtheone2

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Rochester NY
Hello folks, first time posting, but a longtime NAXJA lurker.

I've got a 92 XJ 4.0 that I'm having some trouble with that I'm hoping someone might have some ideas about. I've seen lots of comments about people not putting enough info in their posts, so bear with me, I'm going to try to include everything that may be relevent.

Jeep's been running strong, until I parked her for a week. I blew up a u-joint between my adams shaft and rear yoke, which messed up both my slip shaft and yoke. Was parked for a week while waiting for parts. I'm a dummy and apparently haven't been greasing the slip shaft enough, so really had to go crazy with a big ole hammer to get it off. Probably should have removed the shaft from the t-case first, but oh well. Anyway how this may relate to my problem, is it put some real vibrations through the drivetrain for the 2,5 hours of hammering that it took to get the darn thing off.

Finally get everything under the car buttoned up, go to start her to go on a test drive, and battery was dead. Threw a jump box on, and now she just cranks. Doesnt stutter or hic-up, or do anything to indicate that it even wants to start. Checked spark first to see if the CPS was working, and I do have spark. Its maybe not the hot blue spark that people seem to want to see, but seems similar to the spark I've seen when the car was actually running fine. Replaced the coil anyways, and made no difference. The fuel pump does turn on with ignition, and I'm getting around 43-44 psi at the fuel rail. The pressure does drop pretty quickly after the pump turns off or after I stop cranking. It'll go down to around 20 psi in about 5 seconds, then slows down, and will drop to zero around 2 minutes later. I would think that I have adequate pressure while cranking to get the engine to at least try to start, but I may be wrong. I checked continuity at the fuel pump ballast thing at the recommendation of a buddy, and it seemed fine. Made a jumper to bypass it to make sure, and no difference.

So in my mind, I have spark and fuel pressure at the rail, so I unplugged an injector to see if I was getting power. I was, and observed the - side pulsing when I cranked on it, which I believe is correct. Heres where things get weird. With the one injector unplugged, and me cranking on it, suddenly the engine is starting to hic- up like it wants to run. I plugged the injector back in, and boom, back to just cranking with no sign of life. Unplugged another injector, and it starts hic- upping while cranking again. It still wont start, but is the closest I've gotten.

I'm at a loss right now regarding where to go next. I was just going to throw a sew set of plugs, wires, and a new cap and rotor at her since its been a while, but now I'm hesitant to implement the shotgun approach on the ignition system if my problem is seeming fuel related.

If anyone has had similar problems and/ or has any ideas or suggestions, please help me out. Ole girl XJ is my daily and Ive been borrowing my grandmothers car to get too and from classes. You might save me from getting a beating with a cane from an old lady, which would be great for me and maybe good for you from a moral standpoint.
Thanks!
 
Given the change in behavior with unplugging injectors I wonder if you have an injector problem.

Have you tried reading your spark plugs to see if one cylinder is substantially different from the rest?

My best guess is an injector (or more than one) that is essentially stuck open and is creating a flooded condition. Varmint #1 had this problem at one point. The clue on his XJ was the fact that he was able to get it started by holding the accelerator to the floor, but the motor then ran poorly. We swapped out his injectors with a set of serviced injectors and everything was good. Your quick bleed down of fuel pressure along with the "almost starting" condition both point in this direction.
 
Check the MAP sensor plug and CTS and IAT connectors. Unplug and plug them in a few times to clear corrosion off.
 
After trying to start for a bit can you smell fuel at the exhaust pipe tip?

Also, pull plugs and look at the color of the plug, note which cyl each came from.

Also easy and free to check all fuses in the power distribution center under the hood including the rear window defrost, to make sure there isn't something easy like a fuse.
 
Bad ASD relay? That might show 12-volts to the injectors, but a bad connection or high resistance might not let enough current through to kick the injectors. That could explain why unplugging one injector helped. I think you'd see voltage between the battery + and high side of the injectors while cranking if this were the case.
 
Willtheone2 did you find the problem?
I had a similar issue and mine was a bad fuel pump. I had pressure at the fuel rail (16 psi) but not 40 like what you need. So please post your feedback
 
Given the change in behavior with unplugging injectors I wonder if you have an injector problem.

Have you tried reading your spark plugs to see if one cylinder is substantially different from the rest?

My best guess is an injector (or more than one) that is essentially stuck open and is creating a flooded condition. Varmint #1 had this problem at one point. The clue on his XJ was the fact that he was able to get it started by holding the accelerator to the floor, but the motor then ran poorly. We swapped out his injectors with a set of serviced injectors and everything was good. Your quick bleed down of fuel pressure along with the "almost starting" condition both point in this direction.

Bingo! Sorry about the lag, but holding the throttle wide open during crank did the trick. Runs rough, but it running gave me the opportunity to pull injector plugs one by one, and low and behold, the same one that I unplugged initially that got it to almost start, had no impact on how rough it was running, whereas all the other ones made it run worse when unplugged. I'll be ordering up a new set today, and while I'm at it I'm going to replace the in tank unit to hopefully solve my no fuel reading issue over a quarter tank.. But that's another story. I'll be doing spark plugs as well while I'm at it just for maintenance. The plug in that cylinder was washed clean, and I'm now worried that I dumped a bunch of feel past the rings. Would it make sense to change the oil or am I just being over cautious? Anyway, thanks a million for the help, I really appreciate it.
 
Hi all sorry about the delay. End of the semester/ finals were kicking my butt so I put the jeep on a shelf for a few weeks to lock in.
Got back at it today, swapped the ASD relay with the AC relay, went to give it a go, held the throttle in all the way, and it started up, albiet running pretty rough. Tested spark at all plugs, all of which produced spark, then unplugged all injectors one by one, narrowing it down to a single one. I'll be ordering up a whole new set of injectors today, and I will reply again when they arrive and I install them, hopefully with good news.

Thanks again for all your help folks, great feedback all around!
 
Yes, I would change the oil. That was what we did with Varmint #1's motor.
 
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