Chinamans Shakedown Run

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I'm trying to talk the wife into letting me go. I'm definately a maybe, but if I do make it down I would love to run Carnage as well. I've heard some good things about that trail. I haven't run either of these though, so I'm good with sticking with the group too.

Troy, you going to let me keep my doors in the bed of your truck if I can make it?
 
CannonBall said:
I don't see an arbitrary lift height helping over requiring bigger tires or lockers, but I do understand when setting up runs if those going make rig requirements, but blanket lift type requirements can be extremely exclusive. Especially when I think it could be argued that a locker helps more than a lift especially if tire size is the same.
A rear anchor point should also be included.
A willingness to accept trail damage is somewhat vague, there's a difference between understanding that dings and scratches happen but trying to avoid them and being spotted on line where there is a high likelihood of massive damage done to the rig. Some people are willing to pivot their jeep around a tree to make a line, others are not, etc.
I would put a full size spare tire as a requirement.
Either way, I hope this run went well.
I'm not really writing this as trying to force my way into a run or anything, I couldn't care less if people don't want to wheel with me because I don't have a lift, I'm just thinking if requirements are being made they should pretty basic recovery type requirements and then individual trails runs can chose whatever they want.
-Nate
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I agree with this statement. There are guys out there running 1" of lift and 40" tires. I have wheeled with guys in totally capable rigs that couldn't get over the easy stuff, and I've wheeled with nearly stock rigs with guys making the hard stuff look easy.

Proper tow points should def be a must.
 
DutchVDub said:
I'm trying to talk the wife into letting me go. I'm definately a maybe, but if I do make it down I would love to run Carnage as well. I've heard some good things about that trail. I haven't run either of these though, so I'm good with sticking with the group too.

Troy, you going to let me keep my doors in the bed of your truck if I can make it?
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If Led leads a group on Carnage, you'll have a good time. He got me through there, but I won't run it again til I have a more capable front axle.
 
CannonBall said:
I don't see an arbitrary lift height helping over requiring bigger tires or lockers, but I do understand when setting up runs if those going make rig requirements, but blanket lift type requirements can be extremely exclusive. Especially when I think it could be argued that a locker helps more than a lift especially if tire size is the same.
A rear anchor point should also be included.
A willingness to accept trail damage is somewhat vague, there's a difference between understanding that dings and scratches happen but trying to avoid them and being spotted on line where there is a high likelihood of massive damage done to the rig. Some people are willing to pivot their jeep around a tree to make a line, others are not, etc.
I would put a full size spare tire as a requirement.
Either way, I hope this run went well.
I'm not really writing this as trying to force my way into a run or anything, I couldn't care less if people don't want to wheel with me because I don't have a lift, I'm just thinking if requirements are being made they should pretty basic recovery type requirements and then individual trails runs can chose whatever they want.
-Nate
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Jeezus Nate, don't take things so literally. You're singlehandedly confusing the shit outta lots of folks with all that.

I was keeping it fairly simple to understand. 3" of lift is gonna give most rigs the breakover clearance they'll need for this trail. Whether they get the lift from big tires and fender clearancing, or a lift kit is kind of a given around here. Would you rather I said 3" over stock ride height? Jeezus....... :rolleyes:

A stock rig with a rear locker on Chinamans isn't gonna get it done. There's sections where the approach/departure angles of a stock rig won't allow the tires to even get up on the obstacle. All a locker would do is let both rear tires spin or press the bumper harder into the rock. And if it did get on the obstacle, the drop off is gonna claim the rear bumper/gas tank/shackles/lower quarters........ :rolleyes:

Willingness to accept trail damage vague!?!?!?! It's as simple as that - damage is damage, whether it be a scratch or a caved in rocker panel..... I've seen stock rigs roll over on the most simple of trails........ I put it out there that this trail has a history of causing body damage. Did I REALLY need to classify the level of damage possible? That's unrealistic.

Have you even run Chinamans before? If so, did you get your stocker with a locker all the way through recently?

No matter how good the spotter is, the driver alone can fawk up the spotter's intentions...... The spotter can't single-handedly prevent all trail damage - it's a cooperative effort and the driver STILL needs to accept the damage, he better not pin it on the spotter - EVER.

Club events need to be "governed" to an extent so that we don't get folks in over their heads, and we don't end up with a run that takes 12 hours because we're having to constantly stack rocks, pull winch line, replace busted steering, etc.

Those that haven't run a particular trail before TRUST us to keep them from getting in over their heads with their rig. It would be completely irresponsible for me to organize a run and let it be "run what ya brung, we'll get you through it one way or another". Not to mention the risk that puts the to the trail itself. Drag a transmission or t-case over a rock and it busts open draining it's contents all over the trail just so we could drag a guy through it?

C'mon man........ :rolleyes:
 
The whole reason we used to do this trail is because everyone could do it(using bypasses).

I am looking at pictures from Sept 2007, and it looks the same as it always has. Did something drastic happen to this trail since then? One Summer(2008)?

When was the last time someone here ran this trail?

1) Squeeze (looks the same) possible rocker damage
2) Rock Garden, optional (same) possible rocker, need front tow hook with less lift
3) Wale Tail, optional, required simple right side, need tow front hook
4) Stairs(between the two trees), optional, rocker damage, need front tow hook
5) Chutes, off camber stocker line, possible driver door damage on hard line

On any given day an unequipped rig, an inexperienced driver, or both can jack up their rig.

Could you roll...I guess, if your stupid.
Could you rip out your tranny...I guess, but very unlikely.
Could you be less equipped and slow us up yes...but that's part of all going together for a first run.
 
I ran this trail in November last year. A stocker should be able to make it through everything except The Chutes. I'd expect a stocker to have to take a strap through The Chutes... especially after watching a few rigs with a single locker take several attempts to get through. I'd also say the chance of a stocker taking passenger side damage to a fender, flare, rocker, or quarter is highly likely.

You're right about the rest as far as I recall. That said, I have to agree with the stipulations put in place. Just 'cause we can strap somebody through the trail doesn't mean we want to do it. :D
 
Jawa said:
I ran this trail in November last year. A stocker should be able to make it through everything except The Chutes. I'd expect a stocker to have to take a strap through The Chutes... especially after watching a few rigs with a single locker take several attempts to get through. I'd also say the chance of a stocker taking passenger side damage to a fender, flare, rocker, or quarter is highly likely.

You're right about the rest as far as I recall. That said, I have to agree with the stipulations put in place. Just 'cause we can strap somebody through the trail doesn't mean we want to do it. :D
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Good, That's what I remember. The chutes where the worst part that was mandatory.

If you wax you rig every weekend...stay home.

DJ, I'm up for tossing rocks and for giving the stockers a tug if they need it. I'm sure what your "riding" in won't need a tug.
 
Thanks for clearing that up, I don’t think 3” lift is necessarily crystal clear, but like I said before I still believe a locker to be of more value than an otherwise stock rig with a BB and 31’s for instance. And to me it seems if you’re going to say “NO WAY a stock height locked rig can do it, but open with 3” over stock is fine” I would beg to differ even being unfamiliar with the trail, but like I said, I’m not trying to force my way in and this thread really isn’t the place to argue lockers vs. lift. I was more just trying to get an idea of what I should expect. I’d been told by people I’ve wheeled with for years that this trail would be fun and challenging for me, but by no means impassible.

When I first started wheeling my grand 100% stock almost 10 years ago and now this XJ I’ve been told many times lines can’t be done, trails can’t be done, etc. The capabilities of these jeeps even at stock height have never stopped amazing me. Just to be clear that I’m not asking these questions from a “never wheeled before, totally ignorant of off roading” base.

Anyone who goes wheeling should understand the possibility of body damage and that accidents can happen, every sign at the beginning of a trail will warn of this. The level of body damage expected is what I was referring to. Some other posts cleared that up. To most people who DD their rigs there’s a difference between scratches and dings and the jeep looking like it’d been thoroughly smashed with a claw hammer and not being able to open doors, roll down windows use mirrors, etc.

From what I read and what I was told by people I know I didn’t think this trail would be that difficult in a fully locked stocker, hence the inquiry. I understand being low generally slows down the group so my questions were in regards to running it with some friends on a weekday, people who I’ve wheeled with for years and trust. This trail sounds like one where my friends with buggies can have fun but I’d still be able to navigate with bypasses. From the other responses that sounds about right. Thanks.
-Nate
 
Re: Chinaman's Shakedown Run Headcount

Crunch said:
and my Lady.
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What???? Steph is coming? That's awesome Mike! :thumbup: I thought she swore to never go again after Cliff Hanger years ago.
 
if this is one of their subscribed threads they would never need to look in the stickies and see the headcount thread....
 
Re: Chinaman's Shakedown Run Headcount

YELLAHEEP said:
What???? Steph is coming? That's awesome Mike! :thumbup: I thought she swore to never go again after Cliff Hanger years ago.
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Yeah, she's a trooper. We actually ran Moab Rim after Cliff Hanger and she was fine. Although she is terrified of heights, the thing she remembers most was you announcing on the CB that from your rearview mirror you caught her de-wedging:roflmao::roflmao:

She is totally girlie but want to like what I like. I'd definitely have a harder time getting her to the motorcycle track.
 
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