California takes a step backwards!

[ZomBrady]

Re: California takes a step back wards!

That argument would work better if the gays were trying to establing a "pecking" order or if we were talking about being shacked up with Bubba in Prison... However, human homosexuals aren't trying to aid in the "survival of the species" or establish who's the boss, for them it is about sexual gratification, thus the goals and motivations are very different and the two examples don't really relate to each other.

So then explain why a heterosexual couple who decides not to have children can get married are then afforded legal rights that a queer couple are not allowed to have?

Your argument falls apart when we look at straight couples that choose to be childless. Those couples have given up their reproductive choices to live a life that they find satisfying, the only real difference between them and a queer couple is that they have an 'inny' and an 'outy'. BUT MANY queer couples do want to raise children, and would satisfy this by adoption.

 

[8Mud]

You sir, are a tool. Take your sensationalist attitude and go somewhere, anywhere, else. We don't want you.

Sorry Bro. but I was a citizen of California, twice as long as you've been alive. Still pay taxes and can trace my line back way before California was a member of the union.
It used to be a nice place to live. You're likely one of the immigrants who screwed up a good thing.

 

[JNickel101]

Hmmm who will be the next group that wants to be able to legally marry? :moon:

Dunno...? Who's left? Who else needs attention/headlines? :anon:

My guess it will be people like the donkey lover from "Clerks II"....

 

[kristuphir]

Sorry Bro. but I was a citizen of California, twice as long as you've been alive. Still pay taxes and can trace my line back way before California was a member of the union.
It used to be a nice place to live. You're likely one of the immigrants who screwed up a good thing.

You've been around that long and are still ignorant enough to say this stuff? Sounds like maybe you'd "blend in" better if you just stay in Central Germany and try to turn the clock back roughly twice as long as I've been alive, give or take a few years. You'd fit right in.

 

[cal]

Sorry Bro. but I was a citizen of California, twice as long as you've been alive. Still pay taxes and can trace my line back way before California was a member of the union.
It used to be a nice place to live. You're likely one of the immigrants who screwed up a good thing.

You're in your 70's and still a tool? You grow up slowly.

My family came to the states from England in 1540. Yes, we did screw up a good thing. We brought the white man and catholics.

 

[Ray H]

Hmmm who will be the next group that wants to be able to legally marry? :moon:

People who what to marry their pets. Then pets will want to marry other pets, and of course, the churches wont do it. Pets will have to travel to Cali to be married. And the airlines will stop letting pets fly because someone will use (SO) a Jackrussell to hijack a plane and with the rising prices of gas, people will have to WALK their pets to CA. Ohhh, whats this country coming to.

 

[8Mud]

You're in your 70's and still a tool? You grow up slowly.

My family came to the states from England in 1540. Yes, we did screw up a good thing. We brought the white man and catholics.

Figures one of the immigrants from the east coast, who moved west and promptly tried to change the place into the same chithole they left.

 

[Ray H]

You're in your 70's and still a tool? You grow up slowly.

My family came to the states from England in 1540. Yes, we did screw up a good thing. We brought the white man and catholics.

And the elected leader of CA hasnt even been a citizen for one generation. Hmmmm.

 

[cal]

Figures one of the immigrants from the east coast, who moved west and promptly tried to change the place into the same chithole they left.

You're so full of it your eyes must be brown. Stop making assumptions, stereo typing, and blaming the things you are unhappy with on other people.

If you don't like california, either stay away, or come back and vote to change it.

I grew up here. Growing up in California, I learned to be tolerant of people I don't agree with and do not particularly understand. I know that I leave their lifestyle alone, and they leave mine alone. I respect gays desire to have legal union.

To each their own - but its interesting that in the 'gay' argument, people who hate always want to do it in the name of god..

 

[cal]

And the elected leader of CA hasnt even been a citizen for one generation. Hmmmm.

What does that have to do with anything?

IMO, he's doing better than the last guy did.

 

[TRNDRVR]

To each their own - but its interesting that in the 'gay' argument, people who hate always want to do it in the name of god..

Cal, you need to rest your case on this note. That was perfect! :thumbup:

 

[Ray H]

What does that have to do with anything?

IMO, he's doing better than the last guy did.

I was just amused that you two are having a p!$$!ng contest over who has been in the country the longest yet your governor has been here the shortest of anyone.

 

[cal]

I was just amused that you two are having a p!$$!ng contest over who has been in the country the longest yet your governor has been here the shortest of anyone.

No pissing contest at all, at least on my end. The guy is assuming that I am some idiot who moved to california and is trying to turn it into my den of iniquity.

I grew up here, and this den of iniquity is my home.

 

[Darky]

"IF" is not a real worry though, we can "IF" all we want but reality will happen no matter what.
I actually think that by making it legal and bringing it out will help to minimize it, the "forbiden attraction" wont exist anymore.

I love how people bring religion into it, there are many examples of priest that have crossed into it in a much worse fashion. If you cant keep it out of the church on such a powerfull level how do you think you'll keep humanity from doing it?

Not to start a new debate, but in the "World of Christianity", Catholicism is looked at as somewhat of a distorted branch. Priests are forced to be celibate in the Catholic church which I think is a big reason for the seemingly common occurrence of molestation. Also, keep in mind, the media only reports on the priests who do molest children. You don't hear bout the ones who never touch a kid. And even in cases of child molestation, you'll hear about the priests before you hear about the regular old child molesters...Do a Megan's law search and see how many litle red dots come up for your area, you'll be surprised...

 

[Darky]

Then why is the first step in getting married, going to a courthouse and filing with the state? Since when does the state give god permission to marry someone?


Fuck it, keep them out of your church if you want - but until you differentiate *all* legally binding unions from marriage, and make marriage an act of the church separate from that the state offers, you can't deny someone legal marriage.

That's not too bad an idea...
You register with the state because of the tax liability, benefits, etc that come along with it. The state has to have record also. Plus, it's law that you register with the state. One of the commandments (not necessarily one of the Ten Commandments) is to obey the law of the land, unless it calls you to commit a sin. If the law of the land said to bow down to a golden idol, you aren't supposed to obey that one.

 

[cal]

That's not too bad an idea...

Every now and then, albeit usually by freak chance, I have an idea thats not too bad.

 

[8Mud]

You're so full of it your eyes must be brown. Stop making assumptions, stereo typing, and blaming the things you are unhappy with on other people.

If you don't like california, either stay away, or come back and vote to change it.

I grew up here. Growing up in California, I learned to be tolerant of people I don't agree with and do not particularly understand. I know that I leave their lifestyle alone, and they leave mine alone.

Sure reeks of tolerance to me, the intolerant ones are the ones who don't agree with you! Can you spell hypocrite.

 

[Trail-Axe]

You're so full of it your eyes must be brown. I learned to be tolerant of people I don't agree with and do not particularly understand. I know that I leave their lifestyle alone, and they leave mine alone. I respect gays desire to have legal union. To each their own - but its interesting that in the 'gay' argument, people who hate always want to do it in the name of god..

So does that mean you also respect those who fear God, and proclaim the name of His Son, Jesus the Christ? Seems I see allot more hate coming from those who do not know God, then those who do. If your child (assuming you may have some) was playing with matches in the middle of a pool of gas, would you leave him alone respecting his choice to do so? Or what if that same child grew up, and was into cutting himself, would you not try and at least warn him or her of the dangers?

You see, so often it is the Christian who has acted out of love, that has been persecuted for doing so. We Christians know that those who do not place their trust in Christ, repent and stop practicing sin, will, when they die, be eternally separated from God in a place called Hell.

So to let a sinner go on sinning is really not love, but the worse kind of hate there is. But once the truth be told, it is then up to the individual to repent. We as Christians do not have to live without law and order. We can vote, and we can use our freedom of speech to denounce sin. Our savior was crucified in public, and His true followers will continue to proclaim Him and denounce sin in public and in private.

If you are truly tolerant, as you claim, then be tolerant of the Christian as well, unless your tolerance is tainted with hypocrisy, then I suppose you will continue to verbally assault those with beliefs different then your own.

 

[GSequoia]

If you are truly tolerant, as you claim, then be tolerant of the Christian as well, unless your tolerance is tainted with hypocrisy, then I suppose you will continue to verbally assault those with beliefs different then your own.

And just who is being intolerant of Christians? Are we advocating banning churches or forcing policy changes? No. Saying that your religion should have no say in everybody's laws is not intolerance, it's patriotism.

 

[JNickel101]

So does that mean you also respect those who fear God....

You shouldnt respect those who fear the Christian God - he's supposed to be a loving God. (Christian) God fearing people have other issues they're hiding (guilt?)