Cage for Karstic

Letterman said:
So I just have to ask why flip the top V's?

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This seems to miss the intersection idea, there is none on the top of the a-piller, and it also has no intersection on the front or rear at the center of the rig where the V's come together.


Seems like this design would have better intersections, support maximum impact, and not shear:
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(sorry for the bad photochop, not much time to play today)


Not trying to rag on it, looks better then any exo-cage I ever built. Just my thoughts, if it was mine I would chop out the 2 V's and flip them for much better intersection points, and it would also put a LOT more triangulation into the design.

the theory is that the diamond gives the same triangulation as what you have, but supports the center for the over windsheild bar better in the case of a full roll.

The whole point of the triangle is to constrain the plane and keep the outside rub rails from colapsing in. the tubes are also to put a structural bar above the driver and passengers head so in the event of a turtle, there is no rock sticking through the sheetmetal and into the drivers head.

as far as the shear, the 'b' pillar holes in the roof, and the d pillar holes in the roof will be RTV'd and bolted to the roof, picking up the whole roof as a shear plane to hold the rub rails from deforming.

the choice to go to the center of the front windsheild bar was because every time an XJ ends up on its roof, its on that bar, and with keeping a windsheild, and not running bars up to the center of that bar from a lower windsheild bar, this is the best way to add as much support as possible.
the diamond connects to the 'b' hoop where the 'b' pillar support bars go down into the chassis and through the roof, gaining the most strength possible for the 'a' hoop.

thoes front corners and rear corners benifit from this, almost as effectively as if the tube went from the center of the b hoop to each corner.

take 3 popsicle sticks.
drill a hole at each end of each popsicle stick.
put pins in them, making a triangle, constrained at each corner.

now stand up your triangle, and push on the the top corner down and see how that corner is constrained from side loading, just as the a-pillar and d-pillar corners are constrained...
 
But it seems to me that your outside corners do not have true triangulation, there is extra sides, but I understand and like how you tied into the B-piller.

Then my other thought is the A-piller dose not have any suport on the top side of the intersection, up into the hoop. This would make me think the outside corners would not be as strong. I can see how the top dimond would be really strong but the out side seems like it might fold in a hard roll, or a hit on the side would push in because the A-piller can push up with no continuation support on the other side of that intersection.

I am not an expert, and not trying to hate. It is just some thoughts I wonder about, also seems like most cages have the same design style like the one I photochopped.

Again way better then any Exo-Cage I ever made.
 
Letterman said:
All I can say to that is triangulation is for Wimps!
(or for people that want to survive a roll)

LOL, of all the SUV freeway speed roll overs I have seen, most modern vehicles do just fine with no roll cage at all. So for off road, a slow speed flop/turtle with a cage of what ever type should do just fine. I think all this triangulation comes to bear fruit when we are talking about high speed encounters of the third kind.
 
Jes said:
Looks good.
You gonna paint it pink to match your seats and bumper? :spin1:

Know where I can get some Sierra Chapter Pink in a rattle can? :confused1
 
Yeah I'll snap a few pics in the morning. The outside is painted. The holes in the roof are sealed with some gutter/silicon type sealer. Inside is unpainted.
 




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Stephan likes to let his steel work cure for about a year before painting.
 
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