Re: Art work for chapter decal/logo........ Confederate Flag
OK, look. This is stupid. It's 2006, not 1865.
My statements in my earlier post stand.
They are absolutely and utterly defensible through a review of history, documented fact, and plain old common sense. If you want me to item by item defend myself, you simply aren't worth the time. You're both grown men, and should be able to read history objectively and assess the accuracy of all of my points on your own. Based on your posts here, it is quite apparent that you are not voicing an informed opinion, but just an opinion. If you don't look into it deeper, your continuing ignorance is of your own doing, and your opinions will remain contemptible and useless to others.
So if y'all want some sort of online verbal battle - sure, you got it.
I'll fire right back at ya...
Ghost and roXJeepr -
You're both southerners, fine. I'm sure some part of your identity is wrapped in that damn flag, yee-fuckin'-haw. I couldn't care less. My German-born friends don't feel compelled to cherish and display the Nazi flag, so why do you feel compelled to cherish and display the Confederate flag?
Ghost/Glenn:
Don't imply that I'm uneducated or uninformed, you don't know me or my educational level. If you indeed held the 'more informed' or 'more educated' position here, you certainly would not be arguing against me. And no, I won't pay your dues if they don't use that flag...
roXJeepr:
You are absurd. (need help with that one?
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/absurd )
The ACLU has nothing to do with my opinions or the modern perception of the Confederate flag, though they did participate in attempts to stop its display. Liberalism is, indeed, a term that you could apply to my frame of reference - though I believe that your understanding of 'liberal' is at best sophomoric, and at worst simply absent. And if you really think that liberal points of view OR the ACLU endanger our rights, your state of ignorance is just plain baffling; the ACLU exists for the purpose of defending rights, and liberals (largely) would not willingly sacrifice any existing rights and strive to elect those who would promote the security of those rights. It is 'conservatives' that are currently endangering your rights: the Patriot Act. Go read the fucking thing, and look at who's behind it. It's all public record, and available online at the US government websites.
Kudzu:
Will you put an end to this 'use/don't use' the confederate flag thing? This is supposed to be an inclusive organization where the only real requirement for membership is interest in XJs and 4wheeling - what if some black guy owns an XJ in the SE area and wants to join (or is already a member)? Do we ask him to put THAT flag on HIS rig? I think not...
Make a policy statement or something. Pro-flag or Anti-flag - Either way you go satisfies me, as it will END this BS.
ChuckstrPT:
Sorry. I know you had hoped that this wouldn't become a big deal. I just can't ethically let it slide.
You can all certainly do what you'd like. Its a free country, and the club is what its members want it to be. If you all decide to use it, I'll leave, and you won't have this 'liberal' voice to deal with any more. Just don't attempt to paint me as ignorant or imply that I am somehow disrespectful of our country or its constitution and bill of rights, for I am neither of those things.
is NO...Okay I have made this statement before...We are a International CLub and must act like one...
