Any Non religious people here?

[bigalpha]

So *that's* why it's so expensive to get my heat fixed.

 

[MrSimon]

Threads like these crack me up .... and they never go anywhere.

As stated before, I'm a creationist, and I've done extensive study regarding the science behind creation and evolution.

If any evolutionists are truly interested in learning some of the actual science behind creation - and not just the typical "right wing propoganda" that most people spout .... shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to share my findings.

 

[muduck18]

Uh huh. I can't debate this with you if you don't acknowledge that evolution does not suggest dumping parts in a bowl and expecting a fully functioning being to emerge. Religions suggest that a god or gods did that, science suggests no such thing.



If god created those species the day after man, how do we not have record of interaction with them? How did they exist 350 million years before any fossil evidence of mankind if gods holy word says it was a day?

you need to brush up on your evolution there man.
Something that starts with an explosion hardly comes out looking like Megan Fox.

I love how quickly people point to science like its the mother of proof.

Science is no more than people looking at crap and saying 'it looks like this'... Just because you have decided what it looks like to you Mr scientist doesn't mean there isn't some room for "oh, the world really is round".

EDIT: sorry mr simon but it goes both ways scientific proof is just multiple people 'educated people' looking at something and saying "yup thats it"

 

[Darky]

That and people always assume that faith and science can't work hand in hand, just because the scientists that support their view say that others are wrong.

 

[Darky]

evolutionist? Really?

For all of you who deny evolution as a probable theory:

Have you ever seen monkeys in a cage?
Have you ever seen humans in a cage?
Ever notice any behavioural similarities?

Most humans you find in a cage are already defective.

Have you ever had a dog? Ever notice that they know when they have done something wrong, but don't have the impulse control to restrain themselves? Ever notice your children do the same thing?

Ya know, you may be on to something. Cats would then be the evolutionary equivalent of teenagers. They know they did something, coulda controlled themselves but just don't care.

How does one explain the existance of evidence of species that no longer exist? How does one explain the fossil evidence that other human-like species existed, but don't any more?

Heck, I've known some people today who look an awful lot like Cro Magnon. Imagine scientists who found the first African pygmy skeleton...they probably thought they'd stumbled upon the missing link! Til they found a whole bunch of em running around in the jungle. Look up Ota Benga, he was studied and locked up in the NY zoo at the beginning of the 20th century under the belief that he was an evolutionary step below homo sapiens. Nope, just a pygmy who lost his whole village while out fishing, right before getting captured by some scientists.

How can you possibly deny all of the evidence that is right in front of your eyes every day of your life on this planet in favor of a theory that is unlikely, unprovable, physically impossible, contested by hard factual evidence, and contrary to the other just as unlikely, unprovable, physically impossible therories that people believe just as feverantly?

Well at least you're willing to admit that evolution makes no sense.

 

[kastein]

It is possible for wood to fossilize in years or decades. It doesn't take millions of years. So as far as I'm concerned the fossil record could be greatly compressed and we wouldn't even really know for sure.

It is also preposterous to believe in the story of Creation in the Bible. Where did Cain's wife come from? If you say "oh but it's an allegory" well how much exactly are we supposed to believe as 100% truth and how much are we supposed to "just know" is a simplification or a story told for example? We can't.

I don't believe either. Hell, I don't think it even really matters and I see no reason to argue about it - we're here, and can't really change the past, we can only change the future.

 

[MrSimon]

EDIT: sorry mr simon but it goes both ways scientific proof is just multiple people 'educated people' looking at something and saying "yup thats it"

No worries. You make some really good points about science being the sum total of certain people's observations. It isn't really fact ... its just conclusions based on observations and assumptions.

But I believe strongly that if you take a very unbiased view at what is going on on our planet and in the universe .... you would find that that nature is filled with very telling signs of where everything came from.

 

[tigerchief]

If any evolutionists are truly interested in learning some of the actual science behind creation - and not just the typical "right wing propoganda" that most people spout .... shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to share my findings.

I hope your findings include Hyperdimensional beings keeping us as a food source.

Otherwise, you haven't looked deep enough.

:shocked:

 

[hiimmred]

Think of all the incest in the early days, you would have to think we would have ended up deformed or retarded.

 

[muduck18]

But I believe strongly that if you take a very unbiased view at what is going on on our planet and in the universe .... you would find that that nature is filled with very telling signs of where everything came from.

I agree.

Think of all the incest in the early days, you would have to think we would have ended up deformed or retarded.

Well.... since you brought it up.. Would you like to barrow my mirror?:scottm:

I don't believe either. Hell, I don't think it even really matters and I see no reason to argue about it - we're here, and can't really change the past, we can only change the future.

...unless you are wrong, then it matters very much... the key to why people get so uptight about it...

 

[JNickel101]

M'kay Creationists....here's your scientific question for the day....

"Where did God come from?"



When you can answer that - I'll believe in your fairy tale.

Until then, your story is just as (if not WAY more) unprovable as you claim Evolution/"Big Bang" is.

 

[DrMoab]

Until then, your story is just as (if not WAY more) unprovable as you claim Evolution/"Big Bang" is.

There isn't a difference in beliving in God or the big bang. Both started from nothing or they were always there.

I think God created the big bang because he was bored.(seriously)

 

[Darky]

M'kay Creationists....here's your scientific question for the day....

"Where did God come from?"



When you can answer that - I'll believe in your fairy tale.

Until then, your story is just as (if not WAY more) unprovable as you claim Evolution/"Big Bang" is.

As Jesus said to the Pahrisees (I pretty sure that's who he was talking to) "Before Abraham, I am." Who's to say that God is bound by our dimension of time. As someone else pointed out, in Flatlanders, to the 2D people there, a person in 3D would appear as a god. Well, we're bound by 4 dimensions, if God is above our dimensions, He wouldn't be bound by our physics.

I agree.


Well.... since you brought it up.. Would you like to barrow my mirror?:scottm:


...unless you are wrong, then it matters very much... the key to why people get so uptight about it...

Teehee...

Think of all the incest in the early days, you would have to think we would have ended up deformed or retarded.

Not if our genes have been deteriorating. In the beginning our DNA would've been perfect, no deformities, but with each successive generation more and more flaws develop.

 

[hiimmred]

Don't go gettin all sciencey on me Darky. :roflmao:

 

[muduck18]

Teehee...

::doh::

Borrow.. sorry...

 

[kastein]

Not if our genes have been deteriorating. In the beginning our DNA would've been perfect, no deformities, but with each successive generation more and more flaws develop.

Mine have definitely been deteriorating, they smell like diff lube and I tore one of the beltloops off the other day.

 

[hiimmred]

::doh::

Borrow.. sorry...

Yeah that kinda runed the joke four me. :confused1

 

[Darky]

Mine have definitely been deteriorating, they smell like diff lube and I tore one of the beltloops off the other day.

You must've bought Faded Glory from Wal-Mart.

 

[XJEEPER]

I'm a Dyslexic Atheist..I don't believe in DOG.

Wow...you just nailed the problem with all religions... Blind faith.

How is studying the scriptures and praying to know if what you’ve read is true, blind faith? Believing that you can know in your heart if something is right requires faith.

How can you believe in something if you don't check it out from an outside source?
Which outside source do you suggest we contact to prove God exists? You can’t really have it both ways, faith doesn’t show up after proof has been established through a scientific method. Sounds what you’re looking for is scientology.

I'm sure David Coresh(SP) tried to keep his followers in line by telling them that everything else written was false too.

Fail.
The LDS faith believes the Bible (KJV-including the New Testament) to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God and another testament of Jesus Christ.

It scares me that people can believe anything without checking it out thoroughly from all angles. Especially something as significant as God.

Who would you recommend checking with to confirm that God exists, that Jesus Christ appeared to the Nephites, that Moses saw the finger of God?
Science has been trying for centuries to prove that God does not exist…….or we can grab hold of the theories of men who feel like they haven’t gotten a fair shake in life……”if X is allowed to happen, then there cannot be a God” This has been stated more than once in this thread.

 

[DrMoab]

Jeff, I'm not talking about believing in God. I'm talking about believing in one organized religion. You have to have blind faith to believe in god however when a person....especially a person surrounded by a ton of controversy...starts a religion, it just seems smart to check that person or religion out a little bit.

For the record, I have a very strong belief in God. I just don't think any one organized religion has it right.