Any Non religious people here?

Deadman 94 xj said:
LOL at anyone associating Logic with Religion. It's based on Faith, it can't be done.
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Sure you can. Plenty of prominent scientists believe(d) in (a) god. And there are plenty of compelling arguments for the existence of god. I just don't agree with them or the arguments. I'm not satisfied to look at the wonders of the Universe and say, "wow! god made all this!" I think it's even more amazing that it is here at all and I want to discover as much as I can about it all.

I think on one hand that religion stifles that curiosity in the Universe, because it provides all the answers with "it was god." Then on the other hand, there are the scientists like Einstein that weren't satisfied with that and strove for a deeper understanding of the Universe. That's compelling to me.
 
God(s) is/are an explanation for what we don't understand.

Why does the sun cross the sky? If you asked the Greeks, it was because Apollo the Sun God was riding his chariot across the sky.

Gods, heroes, mythic creatures, and those who angered the Gods (the punished) were explanations for EVERYTHING....

Eventually those fairy tales wore out and a new set came to light....new explanations for things...one God....creation....miracles....faith....answered all of mankind's questions...
 
Rod Knee said:
On the other hand, what if it turns out God doesn't really like brown nosers that much?

Ya gotta wonder.
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Kinda like God being a kid with an ant farm....

.....and a magnifying glass? :D
 
JNickel101 said:
Eventually those fairy tales wore out and a new set came to light....new explanations for things...one God....creation....miracles....faith....answered all of mankind's questions...
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Your timeline is off. It wasn't many gods turned into one God. The Jews were surrounded by peoples who believed in many gods, ie Baal, Ashteroth, and others. The early Christian church was persecuted by the Romans who believed in their many gods. They witnessed to the Greeks who were still following Zeus and the gang. Monotheism and Polytheism coexisted, and still do.
 
SBrad001 said:
Sure you can. Plenty of prominent scientists believe(d) in (a) god. And there are plenty of compelling arguments for the existence of god. I just don't agree with them or the arguments. I'm not satisfied to look at the wonders of the Universe and say, "wow! god made all this!" I think it's even more amazing that it is here at all and I want to discover as much as I can about it all.

I think on one hand that religion stifles that curiosity in the Universe, because it provides all the answers with "it was god." Then on the other hand, there are the scientists like Einstein that weren't satisfied with that and strove for a deeper understanding of the Universe. That's compelling to me.
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There will never be a logical explanation explaining the existance of God. Not until he shows himself, and even then there would still the issue of free will, like the story goes. Scientists can believe all they want but this won't prove anything.

I always find these discussions one sided. It's always easier for the athiest to explain his argument than it is for the believer. All the athiest has to do is explain the world around him. The believer has to explain a much more complex abstraction that is his spirtuality.

For me, most of the athiest arguments are interesting but not that far off from things I've already contemplated in the past. Most are based around science and that's what gets me the most. IMO science is a miracle in it self. But for some reason the two can't coexist? We're all limited by our perceptions and eveything we understand to be true is only relative to our limited capabilities. I have a hard time believing that there is not something out there bigger and better than us. JMO.

Many people believe evolution to be proven. The truth is that it's not. For every argument there's an opposing argument, both based on science. That's interesting to me. If we're so for advanced in our evolution why haven't we filled in the holes?



Boatwrench said:
Actually you're a pens fan. Go Sharks!
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:D
 
Darky said:
Your timeline is off. It wasn't many gods turned into one God. The Jews were surrounded by peoples who believed in many gods, ie Baal, Ashteroth, and others. The early Christian church was persecuted by the Romans who believed in their many gods. They witnessed to the Greeks who were still following Zeus and the gang. Monotheism and Polytheism coexisted, and still do.
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....There was about 100-150 years between the end of the Greeks and the start of Christianity. Yes they co-existed (with the Romans, etc.) however you completely missed my point.

My point is, polytheism existed long before monotheism....both served a purpose. Monotheism was a "new" concept....




Deadman, define "miracle".
 
JNickel101 said:
....There was about 100-150 years between the end of the Greeks and the start of Christianity. Yes they co-existed (with the Romans, etc.) however you completely missed my point.

My point is, polytheism existed long before monotheism....both served a purpose. Monotheism was a "new" concept....




Deadman, define "miracle".
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There may have been 100-150 between the fall of the Greeks and the start of Catholicism, but Christianity (ie the following of Christ) was around with the Greeks. Many of the books of the new testament are letters to churches in Greece. The church in Corinth (subject of I & II Corinthians) was faltering and allowing the polytheistic culture/roots of the Greek believers influence the church to much. Paul was writing to encourage them and call them out where they were wrong.

As far as polytheism before monotheism, I guess we'll just have to disagree there. I believe the start of the world/human existence to be with Genesis chapter 1 and Adam and Eve to be the first people. They were most definitely monotheistic. They knew God and polytheism came up some generations down the road. You likely believe in evolution and as such, we've been around for what, 2 million yrs? Judaism showed up within the last 6k yrs or so, so of course in your view, it would seem that polytheism had to come first. :)
 
Darky said:
There may have been 100-150 between the fall of the Greeks and the start of Catholicism, but Christianity (ie the following of Christ) was around with the Greeks. Many of the books of the new testament are letters to churches in Greece. The church in Corinth (subject of I & II Corinthians) was faltering and allowing the polytheistic culture/roots of the Greek believers influence the church to much. Paul was writing to encourage them and call them out where they were wrong.

As far as polytheism before monotheism, I guess we'll just have to disagree there. I believe the start of the world/human existence to be with Genesis chapter 1 and Adam and Eve to be the first people. They were most definitely monotheistic. They knew God and polytheism came up some generations down the road. You likely believe in evolution and as such, we've been around for what, 2 million yrs? Judaism showed up within the last 6k yrs or so, so of course in your view, it would seem that polytheism had to come first. :)
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So any evidence of human existance prior to 6000 years ago is what?
 
Or modern dating methods prove to be inaccurate.

And based on some intense googe-ing the jewish/christian history puts the earth's age ~12,000 to 15,000 years... although even that is highly argued.
 
muduck18 said:
Or modern dating methods prove to be inaccurate.
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I'd say they are inaccurate, based on the skyrocketing divorce rate.

:anon:
 
Darky said:
There may have been 100-150 between the fall of the Greeks and the start of Catholicism, but Christianity (ie the following of Christ) was around with the Greeks. Many of the books of the new testament are letters to churches in Greece. The church in Corinth (subject of I & II Corinthians) was faltering and allowing the polytheistic culture/roots of the Greek believers influence the church to much. Paul was writing to encourage them and call them out where they were wrong.

As far as polytheism before monotheism, I guess we'll just have to disagree there. I believe the start of the world/human existence to be with Genesis chapter 1 and Adam and Eve to be the first people. They were most definitely monotheistic. They knew God and polytheism came up some generations down the road. You likely believe in evolution and as such, we've been around for what, 2 million yrs? Judaism showed up within the last 6k yrs or so, so of course in your view, it would seem that polytheism had to come first. :)
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Really? You believe Christianity started before Christ showed up?

Wow....

Judaism is about 3300 years old. No I don't believe we have been around for 2 million years (neither does any other evolutionist) - 200,000 years max, but really, more like 30,000 years (about the time Neanderthals became extinct). Hebrew bible only existed in written form starting around 6-500 BC - before then, it was spread by mouth - stories.

With that being said, you don't believe the Earth is more than about 3500 years old?

FYI, the "Greek Empire" ended about 150 B.C. when the Roman Empire rolled through. Paul first visited Corinth around 51-52 A.D. - of course, the "Greeks" still existed (just as they do today) but I wouldn't bet that they were anything like the Ancient Greek Empire....
 
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JNickel101 said:
Really? You believe Christianity started before Christ showed up?

Wow....

Judaism is about 3300 years old. No I don't believe we have been around for 2 million years (neither does any other evolutionist) - 200,000 years max, but really, more like 30,000 years (about the time Neanderthals became extinct). Hebrew bible only existed in written form starting around 6-500 BC - before then, it was spread by mouth - stories.

With that being said, you don't believe the Earth is more than about 3500 years old?

FYI, the "Greek Empire" ended about 150 B.C. when the Roman Empire rolled through. Paul first visited Corinth around 51-52 A.D. - of course, the "Greeks" still existed (just as they do today) but I wouldn't bet that they were anything like the Ancient Greek Empire....
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When did it become necessary for the Greek Empire to be in existence for the Greeks to be polytheistic? And where did you get the idea that I think Christianity was around before Christ or that the Earth is only 3500 yrs old? Belief in God does require some ritualized religion. Adam and Eve were not members of the Jewish religion but they knew and worshipped God. But good job trying to twist my words to fit your stereotype...
 
Darky said:
Adam and Eve were not members of the Jewish religion but they knew and worshipped God. But good job trying to twist my words to fit your stereotype...
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Adam and Eve knew God personally, but I don't remember any "worshipping" ceremonies or Formats for Ceremony mentioned in Genesis. Granted I haven't really read the whole thing, I skimmed the who begettin some and who begotten some parts.:scottm:
 
Worship doesn't require a ceremony or format. They gave burnt offerings to the Lord, that is a form of worship.
 
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