WHICH HEADER

All this talk about banks and pacesetter but what about the edelbrock unit? I just read about it in a new mag I just got. It seems to look really good. I was just wondering if anybody had any experience with it.
 
wildcar said:
All this talk about banks and pacesetter but what about the edelbrock unit? I just read about it in a new mag I just got. It seems to look really good. I was just wondering if anybody had any experience with it.


If you look closely the Banks, Edelbrock, Rigid, APN, etc. are all of the same design, meaning if you bought any two, and put them next to each other your couldn't tell them apart except for maybe material and finish, but that comes down to what you order and how much you want to spend.
 
Well, long thread here, so I'm not reading it all : )

Best header I've read about (IMAO) is the Banks Torque Tube. I got one from 4x4groupbuy.com, and it was $100 cheaper (including shipping) than anywhere else I could find; I spent days looking for the best price too.

Construction was amazing, made the factory header look like junk. Weight was heftier, welds were gorgeous, construction was top notch. The exhaust gasket seemed flimsy, and blew out (maybe I should have torqued higher than spec?), and I replaced with a NAPA gasket that was much beefier. Had it ceramic coated from a local speed-shop, mostly just to increase the longevity of the unit (exhaust gasses corrode the metal), but really wanted the thermo insulation w/the intake sitting right on top, as well as the increased exhaust velocities. The guy who did the ceramic said they were the best built headers he had ever seen.

Woudn't even consider going with someone else.
 
About the Banks cracking... Ceramic coat them, and replace your motor mounts. Worn motor mounts put additional strain on a exhust as the engine torque twists the exhaust attached to it.

Think they have a lifetime replacement too, if memory serves me right.
 
look the photos and you see corrosion isn't the issue here and yes it looked very pretty when new, the gasket never failed. Just cracke like crap. I'm not looking for bargains I want a header that last for the same time the factory one last (10 years) with good longer tubes.
 
Didn't mean to suggest you did something wrong w/ the mounts, just making a random suggestion on something I heard in a different post : )

Hey Panama, just out of curiousity, did you talk to the Banks folks about your problem? You mentioned that your factory header lasted you 10 years, mine only lasted 2 (bad when I purchased the rig w/ 50K); shows how its all a big crapshoot to some extent. I called Banks directly when I was considering their product, and they were very helpful to me.

The specific corrosion I was referring to was internal, caustic gasses oxidize the interior of the exhaust system (rusts from inside out). I know that the ceramic doesn't completely encase the interior of the header, but it does get in there and help. I'm no engineer (at least not till next Winter when I graduate...), but just my experience, and where I placed my faith and cash. Even if the ceramic doesn't increase longevity, it does cool the engine compartment, and reduces the heat convection and radiation to the aluminum intake just inches above the exhaust.

My experience with the Banks Tubes have been superior in all respects to the factory setup. I'm usually not one to jump on the bandwagon, and I don't recall the grade steel used in my Torque Tubes, but the impressed the H-E-double toothpicks outta me.
 
Can't find it anywhere but is in the january off road adventures no price or web site. 1/2 Mandrel-bent 409 stainless steel,1/2" cnc lasercut flanges, and life time warranty (got it from the mag. p.20). sound good but cant find where to get it or the price.

Edit just found this http://www.jbaheaders.com/rnd.asp :tears: Wish I lived in SD
 
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SKIM said:
Can't find it anywhere but is in the january off road adventures no price or web site. 1/2 Mandrel-bent 409 stainless steel,1/2" cnc lasercut flanges, and life time warranty (got it from the mag. p.20). sound good but cant find where to get it or the price.

Edit just found this http://www.jbaheaders.com/rnd.asp :tears: Wish I lived in SD


sounds good but i don't think that they are available for us XJ yet.

would love to be part of there test bed thow.......to fare away.
 
So it looks like the only options for the NON HO renix motors would be the pacesetter, clifford and?

Is it actually possible tou use the APN and just have an exhaust shop weld on an EGR bung to install it?

Thanks
Tom
 
workaholic said:
So it looks like the only options for the NON HO renix motors would be the pacesetter, clifford and?

Is it actually possible tou use the APN and just have an exhaust shop weld on an EGR bung to install it?

Thanks
Tom

Or better yet, has anyone installed a HO header on a renix motor and eliminated the EGR?

Tom
 
:rolleyes:
workaholic said:
Or better yet, has anyone installed a HO header on a renix motor and eliminated the EGR?

Tom


On New APN manifold installed. i was told that you cold put the "early" HO intake on with the an APN header and eliminate the EGR all together on a Renix!
the APN don't have a listing for us Renix guys.
 
Flash said:
:rolleyes:


On New APN manifold installed. i was told that you cold put the "early" HO intake on with the an APN header and eliminate the EGR all together on a Renix!
the APN don't have a listing for us Renix guys.

no they dont have a listing. From the research I have done an HO manifold wont bolt up due to the differences in the intake ports. But I DO NOT know this for fact so someone correct me if i'm wrong. if its possible to install an HO intake manifold that would be great as my original plan was to just plug the bung on the renix intake and eliminate the EGR that way with a HO header from APN.


Tom
 
I'm confused guys. Are you refering to a "HO" intake manifold as the 1999 + intakes with the more rounded runners, or the ones on the 4.0 HO motors?

I just bolted up my APN to my 96 XJ with no issues at all.

Hale
 
Haleyes said:
I'm confused guys. Are you refering to a "HO" intake manifold as the 1999 + intakes with the more rounded runners, or the ones on the 4.0 HO motors?

I just bolted up my APN to my 96 XJ with no issues at all.

Hale

the problem is doing that with a Renix(up to 90 4.0)


flash.
 
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