WHICH HEADER

As far as long term, I have read on various forums of cracks on Banks, Doug Thorley, Pacesetter, but never on Borla. I have had my Borla in for almost 8 years now. Aside from tightening it down as part of maintenence every two years, its never leaked or cracked. If your going have your XJ for the long term get a Borla, you wont be doing it again.
 
i heard borlas crack as well though...

they are thinner 16ga tube where as banks and thorley are 14ga
and thorleys have 1/2" flanges where as borlas have 3/8ths

my header is cracked right now and im buying a thorley so there my opnion but im sure everyone gets good ones and bad ones..lets face it those suckers get hot and we rattle them around a lot :D
 
LilRhodyXJ said:
i heard borlas crack as well though...

they are thinner 16ga tube where as banks and thorley are 14ga
and thorleys have 1/2" flanges where as borlas have 3/8ths

my header is cracked right now and im buying a thorley so there my opnion but im sure everyone gets good ones and bad ones..lets face it those suckers get hot and we rattle them around a lot :D
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You've head huh? I've read, and did the searches. No biggie get what you want, But if you do do a search, try to find someone who has cracked a borla in a 4.0. Haven't found one yet. Stainless..
 
XJING said:
You've head huh? I've read, and did the searches. No biggie get what you want, But if you do do a search, try to find someone who has cracked a borla in a 4.0. Haven't found one yet. Stainless..
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borlas r way to expensive for me though...arnt they like 500 bucks?'

and by the way im not nocking ur choice of header its just theres a lot ofpros and cons about each one
 
I got my borla for around 350 but that was years ago. I don't know how much they go for now. I think it would be in line money wise with whats out there though. I just got a set of borlas for my wifes vette, and they were about the same price as the rest of the brands.
All I was saying is I have never READ about a borla cracking on here. JU, JF, or all the rest of the auto forums that I stalk. LOL.
Get the best you can afford, looks like you are doing your research... Putting headers in is one of my least favorite things to do on any vehicle. Take your time and label everything even if your sure you know where it goes. Good Luck
 
XJING said:
I got my borla for around 350 but that was years ago. I don't know how much they go for now. I think it would be in line money wise with whats out there though. I just got a set of borlas for my wifes vette, and they were about the same price as the rest of the brands.
All I was saying is I have never READ about a borla cracking on here. JU, JF, or all the rest of the auto forums that I stalk. LOL.
Get the best you can afford, looks like you are doing your research... Putting headers in is one of my least favorite things to do on any vehicle. Take your time and label everything even if your sure you know where it goes. Good Luck
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my buddy owns an exhaust place around here so he charged me a little less then what he should and everything gets done right...i cant do stuff like that dont have the tools or the knowledge....

BTW anyone have a custom downpipe..if so where did u get it...
 
CartsXJ said:
What pacesetter set-up did you use and what extra parts did you have to buy? On my 98 everything fit, I just used some muffler cement on all the compression joints and everything sealed up nicely. It does put my cat and muffler on a downward slope, I think thats a good winter project, tuck the whole system up higher, but everything bolted up fine. Just remember to use the offset washers when bolting the header up.
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Well first was the daym EGR valve tube. Pacesetter cant seem to just adjust the header bung over 1"! PITA. so had to buy two nipples and then hunt down dome high heat tubing.

Next is the PITA header bolt on the bottom I think 2 in from the front. No Freakin way to get that one in with the motor in the rig I think! SO had to leave that bolt out.

Then the O2 sensor. They give you one single wire thats like 30" long and some black heat shrink cover. Well DUH the XJ has a 3 wire O2. SO when they relocate the O2 about15-20" further down stream, its common sence that the install will take about 4ft total of wire. Better solution. Just get a three conductor Color coded piece of wire. The best part even IF they did give ya enough of the all white wire for the install. once you take three pieces of white and slide the cover over them. how the f do you determine which wire is which at the ends since they are all white and covered all but the last inch on either end?

All in all very poorly thoguth out I think. All it would take to get this to be a prime decission.. A new fitting EGR tube, a little more bend in the #2 tube to allow access to the bolt, and then a piece of color coded 3 conductor wire. How hard is that?
 
ROBERTK said:
Well first was the daym EGR valve tube. Pacesetter cant seem to just adjust the header bung over 1"! PITA. so had to buy two nipples and then hunt down dome high heat tubing.

Next is the PITA header bolt on the bottom I think 2 in from the front. No Freakin way to get that one in with the motor in the rig I think! SO had to leave that bolt out.

Then the O2 sensor. They give you one single wire thats like 30" long and some black heat shrink cover. Well DUH the XJ has a 3 wire O2. SO when they relocate the O2 about15-20" further down stream, its common sence that the install will take about 4ft total of wire. Better solution. Just get a three conductor Color coded piece of wire. The best part even IF they did give ya enough of the all white wire for the install. once you take three pieces of white and slide the cover over them. how the f do you determine which wire is which at the ends since they are all white and covered all but the last inch on either end?

All in all very poorly thoguth out I think. All it would take to get this to be a prime decission.. A new fitting EGR tube, a little more bend in the #2 tube to allow access to the bolt, and then a piece of color coded 3 conductor wire. How hard is that?
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Ok, you make a good argument, but seeing as I have 98, I did have to block off the EGR tube, I just used a brass pipe fitting plug of similar size, copper rtv and screwed it in. As far as tighting the bolts I do agree with you that I have yet to see a header on a 4.0L that was easy to access the bolts besides the stock. I've found that a 9/16" racheting wrench to be the best investment I have ever made in a tool. I just went to autozone and got their duralast double end, 5/8" and 9/16", though I wish it was 1/2" on the other side.

But seeing as you've mentioned in other posts that you are a tall guy like me 6'4", you probably have the same problem I do, my arms aren't jointed in the right spots and my hands are too big......does make something a pain in the ass. This is why I always call up my short double jointed buddy, who also jeeps to some repairs. This guy can sit indian style upright under my jeep, you know being big isn't good all the time.
 
I have a used borla SS I will let go cheap, its off a 90 4.0.. it even has a new Bosch o2 sensor in it.... I can tell you this, with out a muffler its loud as ##@#... I couldnt resist doing a lil rompin with out the muffler on it!

(904) 838 8838 214.00 Retail is 428.00 plus tax and shipping
 
after replacing the cracked BANKS header not once, but four, yes four times, I wouldn't recomend it to anyone, this is what took its place, and in the time it has been installed the banks would have cracked again, true they do have a lifetime warranty, that covers 100% for the first 6 years then goes down from there, but how many times do you want to replace it.

get clifford.

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LilRhodyXJ said:
phil do u have any other exhaust mods??

i have a magnaflow hi flow cat, flowmstr 40, and a mandrel bent pipe and was wondering how it would sound with the edition of headers?
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Yup, TB spacer, airraid filter, full 2.5 inch exhaust (mandrell) IMCO muffler, like a 40 series but 50 bucks less and it's all heavy steel and fully welded too! Getting a chip soon. It's got zip in da mud now....

Phil
 
brent said:
after replacing the cracked BANKS header not once, but four, yes four times, I wouldn't recomend it to anyone, this is what took its place, and in the time it has been installed the banks would have cracked again, true they do have a lifetime warranty, that covers 100% for the first 6 years then goes down from there, but how many times do you want to replace it.

get clifford.

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Holly crap, what do you do with your XJ? I pretty much run mine into the ground every weekend and have yet to even begin to hear a leak out of the Banks unit on mine... Looks like you must of pissed off someone on the other end of the phone... I've heard of disgruntled post office workers, but never a Banks employee!!! Just kidding dude. Sucks for you, but it's obvious that yours was not a typical situation. I guess that I'll have to keep an eye on mine then.

Phil
 
LilRhodyXJ said:
how expensive were those cliffords and can i get them for a 00?
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$339.00
 
flyingphil said:
Holly crap, what do you do with your XJ? I pretty much run mine into the ground every weekend and have yet to even begin to hear a leak out of the Banks unit on mine... Looks like you must of pissed off someone on the other end of the phone... I've heard of disgruntled post office workers, but never a Banks employee!!! Just kidding dude. Sucks for you, but it's obvious that yours was not a typical situation. I guess that I'll have to keep an eye on mine then.

Phil
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There is another guy on this forum who has had 3 or 4 Banks headers crack. So it is not only him.

-Mike
 
I know we all what to save a buck, and heaven knows were all are lookin for "The" deal. With the time it takes to rip off the old exhaust, put the new header on, and in most cases take the time and money to run over to a muffler shop to fab up some pipe. I would put the best header on and make sure its coated so the thing will not rust and fall off in a few years. My 2 cents. :lecture:
 
LilRhodyXJ said:
are they the first ones in the jeep/amc section...and r u sure they will do it for 00s?

thanks a bunch
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it will bolt to the head, it is not a "bolt on" to your existing exhaust, you will need some custom bending/connecting
 
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