To all Americans...

Say I want to become a citizen of Germany. There's a process that I would have to go through to gain lawful citizenship, correct?

I couldn't care less how many "mexicans" come to the Untied States, as long as it's done legally. WTF is so hard to understand about that?


Edit: you beat me to it.
 
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I think he was just asking what part of America you are from. Calm down



Thats a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Almost every country in the world has much stricter immigration laws than America, yet we get the most flack over it. I know that Germany's laws are pretty strict.



Sorry to hear that that BS happened to you.


I live in El Paso, it doesn't get any closer than this. The local PD won't ask anyone's immigration status. To a point I agree with this, if they are asking people about a crime that happened then what is point. But when there are police checkpoints up checking for DUI's insurance, registration then I don't have a problem with the officers asking those questions. And before someone says something about profiling, yea they ask everyone, my wife and I are both white.

I have no problem with immigration but it should be done legally. If someone is here illegally then should be deported to their own country and then immigrate legally.

It's hard to slip through the cracks here, the Germans do a good job of keeping track of the people inside there borders. They do a better job of keeping track of who is working where and who is living where. But tend not to use the info as a big stick and tend to be reactive instead of pro active.
The borders in Europe are disintegrating, slowly but surely. And despite all the gloom and doom predictions things are progressing in a fairly orderly manner.
Most of the complaints are coming from the people living off of the dole. They figure to better there position by eliminating the competition.
 
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When I lived in Sierra Vista, AZ the "Minutemen" were pissing in or dumping jugs of water ranchers and others would leave in the desert for illegal's so they wouldn't die of dehydration. That completely ruined any respect I have for your organization. Sorry.
 
But to answer your question, L.A. Mayor Tony Villar instituted his "special order 40" that prevents his police from asking anyone their legal status...

Really?

That's totally messed up man.

He has a time machine and hasn't shared it with the scientific community, he went back to 1979 and convinced the city council to pass it.



By the way, this thread is moving to Politics.
 
When I lived in Sierra Vista, AZ the "Minutemen" were pissing in or dumping jugs of water ranchers and others would leave in the desert for illegal's so they wouldn't die of dehydration. That completely ruined any respect I have for your organization. Sorry.

Yeah? And ilegals are forming street gangs, robbing houses, and getting away with murder every day. What's your point?
 
Really?

That's totally messed up man.

He has a time machine and hasn't shared it with the scientific community, he went back to 1979 and convinced the city council to pass it.



By the way, this thread is moving to Politics.

I stand corrected.... It was L.A. city council and Daryl Gates who implemented S.O.40....
 
It's hard to slip through the cracks here, the Germans do a good job of keeping track of the people inside there borders. They do a better job of keeping track of who is working where and who is living where. But tend not to use the info as big stick and be reactive instead of pro active.
The borders in Europe are disintegrating, slowly but surely. And despite all the gloom and doom predictions things are progressing in a fairly orderly manner.
Most of the complaints are coming from the people living off of the dole. They figure to better there position by eliminating the competition.

I remember riding the train around and having my ID checked all the time, you either had a German ID, your Passport, or a military ID. If you didn't have one of those with you the cops were taking you to the station. No one there cares about having their ID checked every so often, but here its a travesty if someone gets asked one time to show ID at a checkpoint.

My wife was telling me that people were more worried about the East Germanys coming and taking jobs then they were about the Turks.
 
I remember riding the train around and having my ID checked all the time, you either had a German ID, your Passport, or a military ID. If you didn't have one of those with you the cops were taking you to the station. No one there cares about having their ID checked every so often, but here its a travesty if someone gets asked one time to show ID at a checkpoint.

My wife was telling me that people were more worried about the East Germanys coming and taking jobs then they were about the Turks.

Crossing a border usually resulted in an ID check, but not always. Internally in Germany, the last time I was asked for my ID was in 1995, at a drunk check on Christmas eve.
Everybody got in an uproar when the East Germans showed up looking for work, those days are past. Then they all got upset again, when the borders to Poland came down and the workers started showing up, they got over it. And like I said, most of the people doing the screaming were either the unions or people on the dole. The unions and the welfare people didn't want the competition.
I remember once many years ago, some pimple faced girl threatened to have me deported because I didn't have some paperwork. I said please do, my wifes a beatch, my kids barely know I exist and this farking country sucks anyway. Now that that is settled, you can look out after my wife and kids, where do I get on the plane. She paniced and ran into the back room, some old guy came walking out laughing his arse off.
The Turks are a small part of the problem, radical Islam is the beast. While you guys are harassing the Mexicans, you are taking your eye off of the actual threat.
The whole closing the border thing, then the illegals, morphed into something else after 911. People are now merrily running off on some sort of tangent.
 
Yeah? And ilegals are forming street gangs, robbing houses, and getting away with murder every day. What's your point?

I don't have any respect for them either. What's your point?
 
Internally in Germany, the last time I was asked for my ID was in 1995, at a drunk check on Christmas eve.
The Turks are a small part of the problem, radical Islam is the beast. While you guys are harassing the Mexicans, you are taking your eye off of the actual threat.

I got carded a couple times riding the train around the last time I was there, '01-'03.

The Turks up where you are at are horrible, I never met any that I got along with. Down south they seemed a bit more friendly.

Who was it that the French were having all the problems with in the ghettos? Honestly I don't remember.

I honestly could care less where people come from Mexico, Germany, England, Hondurus where ever. At one point in time all different types of people were coming into America illegally. Thats how Italians got the name WOP (With Out Papers). I just want people to enter the country legally. My wife came in legally, we payed all the crazy fees and did all the paperwork. If we did it they can do it.
 
I got carded a couple times riding the train around the last time I was there, '01-'03.

The Turks up where you are at are horrible, I never met any that I got along with. Down south they seemed a bit more friendly.

Who was it that the French were having all the problems with in the ghettos? Honestly I don't remember.

I honestly could care less where people come from Mexico, Germany, England, Hondurus where ever. At one point in time all different types of people were coming into America illegally. Thats how Italians got the name WOP (With Out Papers). I just want people to enter the country legally. My wife came in legally, we payed all the crazy fees and did all the paperwork. If we did it they can do it.

The Turks kind of pulled there horns in when the US invaded Iraq. I really can't say why, but the problems, at least on a visible level seemed to shrivel.
The French have a tradition of the Friday afternoon riot. Kind of a cross between a block party and serious vandalism.
Three percent of the population is illegal in the US and likely to get worse as the economy stagnates. Sometimes you just have to deal with the reality and do the best you can with a bad situation.
But IMO polarizing the situation is the wrong approach.
Get them documented, get them on the tax roles, do what you have to do to get control. Harassing them during the process just doesn't make much sense.
 
Get them documented, get them on the tax roles, do what you have to do to get control.

I think it has been proven that doesn't work...

Reagan gave amnesty to 3 mil illegal aliens in '86.... Now we have 12-20 mil (depending on who's study you go with).

With almost 75% of them coming from Mexico and central America, I wouldn't call wanting our borders secured and a handle on illegal immigration "harassment"...
 
I think it has been proven that doesn't work...

Reagan gave amnesty to 3 mil illegal aliens in '86.... Now we have 12-20 mil (depending on who's study you go with).

With almost 75% of them coming from Mexico and central America, I wouldn't call wanting our borders secured and a handle on illegal immigration "harassment"...

Run the numbers and convince me you can do it with less than 6 divisions (around a hundred thousand troops), plus support personnel (likely around half a million people) on the southern border only and I'll listen to you.
Then tell me what happens when the problem moves to the beaches.
Half measures or even token efforts are just harassment, a military term.

They say the new fencing has slowed illegal immigration about 20-30%. for the time being. Time will tell if it is a permanent solution or just a temporary hindrance. One of the axioms of military engineering is any obstruction not covered by fire is no obstruction (pretty much a rule as old as warfare).
 
Run the numbers and convince me you can do it with less than 6 divisions (around a hundred thousand troops), plus support personnel (likely around half a million people) on the southern border only and I'll listen to you.

Putting the military on the border IS NOT an option. We are not trained for that.

If we want to controll and slow the flow of illegals into America the Government needs to pass laws going after businesses that hire these people. If they can't earn money they won't be here.


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One of the axioms of military engineering is any obstruction not covered by fire is no obstruction (pretty much a rule as old as warfare).

At that point its just a speed bump, and man does it make it so much easier to breach!
 
Let the Border Patrol have bigger guns, let us finish building the fence. If they wanna come over make them do it legally...

Those people are scum and don't care about us.


The Atzlan are fighting a war against America, you can open your eyes to the facts, or you can sit in your ignorance and ignore the truth.

Its the same thing with Al qaeda, those people want America gone and will do what they can to accomplish their goal.


Sure, defend them with the argument that you knew someone who was treated bad, great argument.

The Fact is, just like Muslims, not everyone is bad. The extremist need to be handled.


 
Let the Border Patrol have bigger guns, let us finish building the fence. If they wanna come over make them do it legally...

Those people are scum and don't care about us.


The Atzlan are fighting a war against America, you can open your eyes to the facts, or you can sit in your ignorance and ignore the truth.

Its the same thing with Al qaeda, those people want America gone and will do what they can to accomplish their goal.


Sure, defend them with the argument that you knew someone who was treated bad, great argument.

The Fact is, just like Muslims, not everyone is bad. The extremist need to be handled.

Agreed.

So they had to drink a little pee..:rattle:
 
They should have had their own water if they wanna make the trip. Why should we make it easier for them to do something illegal...


Wanna rob a bank, here's a gun and a getaway car...
 
I get sick and tired of reading 8Mud's apathetic and highly ridiculous answers.

Its not as easy as just kicking them out. They need to be discouraged from even wanting to come here to begin with.

No government incentives, no government handouts, nothing. Nada. Zip.

It needs to be IMPOSSIBLE for them to find a job. If they are employed, the employer should lose his assets and be fined or put in jail. Pretty soon nobody will want to employ them as the risk is WAY too big.

I watched that video and a few others. It truly is a war in every sense other than the weaponry.

I'm sure if you formed a branch of homeland security, and said to the population, "If you're fed up with the illegal immigrant population, we're hiring." You'd have enough people lining up for their opportunity to serve the US in a very useful and effective manner.

The biggest problem is that many people don't see a problem. With the EU dissolving its borders, the problems will only get bigger.

With the US doing practically nothing to stop this crap, it will only get worst. Obama is going to ensure that. Any amnesty bill or anything short of GTFO is a travesty and cheating the American population out of prosperity and true growth. Nothing comes from the illegals streaming across the border besides poverty, crime, gangs and low wage work.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22614102/

Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US.

Home of John McCain and the recently appointed Janet Napolitano to head up the Dept of Homeland Security.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/107614

Seems like the 2nd Amendment is allowing guns to funnel into Mexico.....I smell an agenda.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493704,00.html


Mexico is about to Collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSwuxM7vP_Y

Phoenix Kidnappings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOM_ogJNtSc
 
8mud is a bit clouded. Yeah, I only lived in Germany for 10 years, but I still loved & supported my country while I was abroad. He seems to wanna change it... and that is not gonna happen. Besides, he beats dogs. yeah, great man he is. LOL.
 
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