OutkastBoss
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We are making some progress on our cage as you can seen here http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1133751&page=3
I hadn't originally thought about needing to do this when I started the cage. But after all the sleepless nights of researching all of this I became worried about my family or I being injured by an interior bar. The stock seats and belts certainly don't secure us well enough to ensure not being smashed into a bar in even a medium collision or flop/roll. At 4" on 33's (locked/locked) we don't get into anything too crazy really, but still.
I am used to having a laid back seat and kinda leaning forward so being stuck back into my seat will be a bit different for me but I assume I will get used to it. TBH I am surprised at how expensive I am finding proper seats and harnesses to be. Anyways I wanted to share what I have learned and am considering purchasing for perhaps more knowledgeable people to comment or for reference later.
Anyways here is what I came up with for quality, safety and value as far as seats and harnesses. Corbeau suspension seats seem to be the quality w minor compromise for cost I needed and had options for a a full MWC sized guy that looked comfortable without huge bolsters.
Looking at the Baja Rs seats in black cloth/vinyl for $598 a pair
For the rear at $497 the 42" Baja Bench with optional headrests looks like it will fit well with some fabrication for the mounting. I'd rather not have the headrests for visibility reasons but they are removable and if I cram an adult in the rear I think the headrest may keep their head out of the tube.
I definitely wanted to retain sliders, mine will rarely move but the shotgun one would get readjusted more often. My stock ones got racked a bit when being welded back together and reinforced so they are hard to move. (the seatback broke in usual spot a few times years ago). Corbeau sells a Slider bracket that is supposed to fit and retain stock height.
They are $250 for a pair with upgraded dual locking sliders. I am thinking with the seat out I would reinforce the floor where the new sliders attach before installing.
For Harnesses we came up with the crow 3" standard pull down, 5 way, 5 point, latch and link Harnesses in black, with black sewn on pads, velcro sternum straps, anti tension springs, all bolt in w adjustable submarine belt and wrap around shoulder harness mounts and black metal finish.
The set of 4 go for $742.22
As you can see safety is pretty expensive, but probably cheaper and less stressful than injury. Here is what I have come up with for installation specifics.
We would fab up dual sheer mounts and only use grade8 hardware for the bolt in mounts.
For the shoulder straps we would use wrap around mounts with stops on the shoulder bar at 0-10 degrees below the shoulder.
For the Lap belt we would mount close to the hip as possible at 45- maximum 60 degrees behind the driver and not wider than the seat.
For the anti submarine belt we would mount it slightly behind the drivers chest line at 20 to 45 degrees with the bracket facing forward and up.
Also any adjustable 3 bar slides will be as close to anchor as possible with the belt ran back through another time to prevent slipping.
I feel like I did my due diligence on the research, what do you guys think.
The only thing I am still unsure of is, how does one use an anti submarine belt on a bench seat. I saw people saying they had but no pics.
Maybe I will ask Corbeau tomorrow.
I hadn't originally thought about needing to do this when I started the cage. But after all the sleepless nights of researching all of this I became worried about my family or I being injured by an interior bar. The stock seats and belts certainly don't secure us well enough to ensure not being smashed into a bar in even a medium collision or flop/roll. At 4" on 33's (locked/locked) we don't get into anything too crazy really, but still.
I am used to having a laid back seat and kinda leaning forward so being stuck back into my seat will be a bit different for me but I assume I will get used to it. TBH I am surprised at how expensive I am finding proper seats and harnesses to be. Anyways I wanted to share what I have learned and am considering purchasing for perhaps more knowledgeable people to comment or for reference later.
Anyways here is what I came up with for quality, safety and value as far as seats and harnesses. Corbeau suspension seats seem to be the quality w minor compromise for cost I needed and had options for a a full MWC sized guy that looked comfortable without huge bolsters.
Looking at the Baja Rs seats in black cloth/vinyl for $598 a pair
For the rear at $497 the 42" Baja Bench with optional headrests looks like it will fit well with some fabrication for the mounting. I'd rather not have the headrests for visibility reasons but they are removable and if I cram an adult in the rear I think the headrest may keep their head out of the tube.
I definitely wanted to retain sliders, mine will rarely move but the shotgun one would get readjusted more often. My stock ones got racked a bit when being welded back together and reinforced so they are hard to move. (the seatback broke in usual spot a few times years ago). Corbeau sells a Slider bracket that is supposed to fit and retain stock height.
They are $250 for a pair with upgraded dual locking sliders. I am thinking with the seat out I would reinforce the floor where the new sliders attach before installing.
For Harnesses we came up with the crow 3" standard pull down, 5 way, 5 point, latch and link Harnesses in black, with black sewn on pads, velcro sternum straps, anti tension springs, all bolt in w adjustable submarine belt and wrap around shoulder harness mounts and black metal finish.
The set of 4 go for $742.22
As you can see safety is pretty expensive, but probably cheaper and less stressful than injury. Here is what I have come up with for installation specifics.
We would fab up dual sheer mounts and only use grade8 hardware for the bolt in mounts.
For the shoulder straps we would use wrap around mounts with stops on the shoulder bar at 0-10 degrees below the shoulder.
For the Lap belt we would mount close to the hip as possible at 45- maximum 60 degrees behind the driver and not wider than the seat.
For the anti submarine belt we would mount it slightly behind the drivers chest line at 20 to 45 degrees with the bracket facing forward and up.
Also any adjustable 3 bar slides will be as close to anchor as possible with the belt ran back through another time to prevent slipping.
I feel like I did my due diligence on the research, what do you guys think.
The only thing I am still unsure of is, how does one use an anti submarine belt on a bench seat. I saw people saying they had but no pics.
Maybe I will ask Corbeau tomorrow.