Show Of Hands

[kunaji]

For the purpose of M & G and other events it doesn't matter which chapter you belong to. Any member can be a member of any chapter except for the formation of a new chapter if I interpret the bylaws correctly, ie the KY OH IN MI chapter gets started and if someone from IL wants to be a member then they can. The stickup would be the person from IL cannot be one of the 15 members counted towards the forming of the chapter since he's not in the geographical region for the forming of the new chapter.

Looking at a map, IN OH KY LP of MI seems to be small enough to have local events and should be large enough to have 15 members who could want to have a more local chapter. I'd suggest posting a new thread in the main members forum seeking a show of hands for members who are in that area willing to form a new chapter. If you want help with working on what problems you may have forming the chapter, try asking the AZ chapter what hurdles they had to get over. They tried several times to get a chapter before it actually went through.

 

[BRIANHO13]

I thought as it was set up now you can be in more than one chapter??? Like I could also be in the Southeast chapter????

 

[RedHeep]

Well I speak up.
I agree that we do need to start splitting up the MWC. I for one think that is way to big, and there are tons of advantages of splitting into smaller chapters. Just to name a few:
1. Events closer to home.
2. Meet and greets closer to home.
3. As Sean said, more tight nit group of friends.
4. More official and unofficial rides.
etc......
Another thing I wanted to bring to the table.... I don't think people should be limited to a chapter they want to be in. For example, KY/OH/IN chapter. If someone lives in N. IN and what to be apart of Mich./?/? chapter than so be it.
So how are the states going to be split? Who's(states) going to be combined with who? Anyone really sat down and put any thought into it? I like the idea of having a KY/OH/IN chapter (SE MIDWEST??).

I think the majority of chapters pivot around wheeling areas. You'd have to have areas to support more local wheeling events. Like Nate mentioned, wheeling (of an organized sort) is virtually nonexistent in Ohio. Places in Kentucky are subject to legal action at the moment.

If you split the chapter, you'd have to have places to support the new chapters, otherwise you're driving to the same places to wheel with the same people. The formation of the new chapter at that point would simply add more administration to the national organization without any benefits.

 

[HaleYes]

I thought as it was set up now you can be in more than one chapter??? Like I could also be in the Southeast chapter????

Huh.:dunno:
Technically speaking, your location puts you in the MWC. I don't understand how someone can be in two chapters. Unless, like Opie for example, you move back and forth. Just because your location puts you in a certain chapter, does not limit you from associating with other chapters by any means.

I'll skim the bylaws and see what I can find. You have me curious now.

Hale

 

[HaleYes]

Section 2: Chapter Membership

1. Membership in a Chapter shall be open to any Member of the Corporation in good standing that resides within the geographic region encompassed by a particular Chapter. For purposes of establishing a Chapter, the initial Chapter membership shall reside within the proposed Chapter’s proposed geographic region.
2. After a Chapter has been formed and approved by the Board of Directors, membership in any Chapter shall be open to all Members of the Corporation, irrespective of place of residence. Members of the Corporation may declare and hold membership in more than one Chapter simultaneously.
3. Chapter membership is an automatic privilege of Membership in the Corporation. Chapters may not expel any Member from any Chapter. In the event of conduct by any Member, which a Chapter deems unsuitable or unacceptable, a complaint shall be referred to the Board of Directors by the governing body of the Chapter. The Board of Directors shall consider the complaint and may remove the accused Member from the Chapter, place the accused Member on probation for a period specified by the Board of Directors, or remove the accused individual from Membership in the Corporation.

You are correct Brain.

Hale

 

[BRIANHO13]

[/list]You are correct Brain.

Hale

New sig, thanks buddy.

 

[HaleYes]

New sig, thanks buddy.

:wave1:

 

[bshaw]

I think the majority of chapters pivot around wheeling areas. You'd have to have areas to support more local wheeling events. Like Nate mentioned, wheeling (of an organized sort) is virtually nonexistent in Ohio. Places in Kentucky are subject to legal action at the moment.

If you split the chapter, you'd have to have places to support the new chapters, otherwise you're driving to the same places to wheel with the same people. The formation of the new chapter at that point would simply add more administration to the national organization without any benefits.

Not sure I agree with that..... Take WF for example, say it's held in IN this coming year. How many people from Kansas, ND, SD, OK, etc.... are going to travel that far for WF. Not many! Split those states up, hold a National event closer to them and more can now attend. See where I'm going with this? Okay, then why don't we hold more official events? Now you got that much more responsibility for the MWC BOD to deal with.....

 

[LBEXJ]

Well I speak up.
I agree that we do need to start splitting up the MWC. I for one think that is way to big, and there are tons of advantages of splitting into smaller chapters. Just to name a few:
1. Events closer to home.
2. Meet and greets closer to home.
3. As Sean said, more tight nit group of friends.
4. More official and unofficial rides.
....

Thanks Squeak ... I appreciate your addressing my question.

But please explain (if you don't mind) how, having an independent Chapter, will promote these. Maybe I'm analyzing too much, wrong, blind, or just plain ignorant.

Is there not several group of "tight nit friends" already getting together "closer to home" for M&G's and unofficial events ("Michiana", "Chicago Area", and "The Central Indiana/Kenucky/Ohio" group)? This despite all being members of the MWC. Please explain to me what I'm missing (seriously).

The "Chicago Area" group decided to schedule Carnagefest in Wisconsin this fall and there were some hard feelings due to logistics. Is the formation of a separate chapter necessary to prevent this from happening?

I can understand how it will allow for more "official events" because the local people can better managed/plan and presented it to the national BOD for approval. This makes sense, and I can buy into this.

This needs to be something that is beneficial for the "new" Chapter as well as for the current MWC ... a positive step for both. It also needs to show signs of being a move that is going to be sucessful and long term.

Les

 

[BRIANHO13]

I think the formation of more events should be the key to this whole thing.....We do like to wheel don't we, or do we just talk about it?

The way I see it this whole place has turned into a webwheelers paradise where it started as a club where the focuses were around wheeling were they not?

The smaller chapters could plan the event more central to each of thier own chapter (more people show up more money for the mothership right?), and it would also more easily promote the attendance from people of other chapters.

BTW redheep, there is only one place in KY having trouble with the law as I know it (HILLZ & HOLLERZ) there are till 3 other great places to go all of which are free.

 

[bshaw]

Thanks Squeak ... I appreciate your addressing my question.

But please explain (if you don't mind) how, having an independent Chapter, will promote these. Maybe I'm analyzing too much, wrong, blind, or just plain ignorant.
Maybe more people in those "set" area's will feel more motivated to participate, or comfortable if you will. Good question!

Is there not several group of "tight nit friends" already getting together "closer to home" for M&G's and unofficial events ("Michiana", "Chicago Area", and "The Central Indiana/Kenucky/Ohio" group)? This despite all being members of the MWC. Please explain to me what I'm missing (seriously). Yep, there are. Why not let them grow?

The "Chicago Area" group decided to schedule Carnagefest in Wisconsin this fall and there were some hard feelings due to logistics. Is the formation of a separate chapter necessary to prevent this from happening?
I had no hard feelings about it, not like we all can't plan something else somewhere else. Not critical to seperate, but it would make things easier to plan for something else.

I can understand how it will allow for more "official events" because the local people can better managed/plan and presented it to the national BOD for approval. This makes sense, and I can buy into this.

This needs to be something that is beneficial for the "new" Chapter as well as for the current MWC ... a positive step for both. It also needs to show signs of being a move that is going to be successful and long term.
Have we not grown as it stands now! We are taking on a lot of new people from what I can tell. I'm seeing this as success...

Les

It's starting to look like I'm hell bent on making this happen.... Let me state that whether we brake the MWC up or not makes no difference to me. Yes I would like to see it happen, but it's not going to make or brake me .
Les, no offense meant buddy, just throwing idea's out there. I'm not very good at this stuff, that's why I tend to keep my nose out of things like this!

 

[LBEXJ]

It's starting to look like I'm hell bent on making this happen.... Let me state that whether we brake the MWC up or not makes no difference to me. Yes I would like to see it happen, but it's not going to make or brake me .
Les, no offense meant buddy, just throwing idea's out there. I'm not very good at this stuff, that's why I tend to keep my nose out of things like this!

Not taken as offensive at all Squeak. I just want what everyone else really wants around here. I appreciate your input.

From a personal standpoint ... I would hate to see the MWC shrink very much. There are some very active people around here to take over BOD positions come the next election. I'd like to see others grow from this standpoint.

Les

 

[bshaw]

Not taken as offensive at all Squeak. I just want what everyone else really wants around here. I appreciate your input.

From a personal standpoint ... I would hate to see the MWC shrink very much. There are some very active people around here to take over BOD positions come the next election. I'd like to see others grow from this standpoint.

Les

x2 Les. It's to bad we couldn't just do like a sub-chapter's type deal. Hopefully some others will chime in here.

:cheers:

 

[xj4life]

The smaller chapters could plan the event more central to each of thier own chapter (more people show up more money for the mothership right?), and it would also more easily promote the attendance from people of other chapters.

This is the only good reason I could see of in favor of breaking up the Midwest into smaller chapters.

 

[seanR]

sub-chapter's type deal.

Ain't gonna happen.
You either make a chapter, or you don't.

 

[HaleYes]

If this is about planning more official events..... Plan them. If you are willing to plan new events under a new chapter, why not step up and plan more events under the MWC? You want more events? Plan them, get BOD approval and call it official if that's what you want. Brain has posted up several "M&G's". That's great, anytime any of us can get together it's good. Nothing says a chapter cannot have more than one official event. After being involved with event planning, I will say that there is more to planning an official event than one would think.

Hale

 

[RedHeep]

If this is about planning more official events..... Plan them. If you are willing to plan new events under a new chapter, why not step up and plan more events under the MWC? You want more events? Plan them, get BOD approval and call it official if that's what you want. Brain has posted up several "M&G's". That's great, anytime any of us can get together it's good. Nothing says a chapter cannot have more than one official event. After being involved with event planning, I will say that there is more to planning an official event than one would think.

Hale

x2

All the suggestions are the same.

"Have more wheeling closer to members"

The addition of a new chapter doesn't promote this. You guys all wheel with each other now as it is. The only thing a new chapter does is give you a representative voice with the national organization. Events still have to be planned and approved. Whether this goes through the current MWC or a new chapter BOD, it's still the same process.

 

[LBEXJ]

... sub-chapter's type deal.

Ain't gonna happen.
You either make a chapter, or you don't.

It would not happen (Sub-Chapters) because there are no provisions for it in the bylaws. The process for including this into the bylaws would be nearly impossible to accomplish (IMHO). Besides, as Sean has already mentioned, having an "official" sub-chapter would have the same administrative process' as having a Chapter. Informal "sub-chapters", "Close Nit Groups", or "Cliques", whatever you want to call them, have happened all along in local areas within the MWC. Regardless of the outcome of this Chapter request, I am sure these local "close nit groups" will continue to get together and do what they all have been doing all along. This is what is all about ... making friends and sharing information about their XJ's (wheelin',street, or stock) and continuing their hobby.

I believe these are the important questions to be answered:
1) Will the new MWC continue to grow after a new Chapter is organized?
2) What areas would be better served within being split off from the original MWC core area?
2) Will the new Chapter also be able to grow and be able to exist independent of the MWC?
3) Are there enough people that are willing to voluteer their time to run both Chapters, and represent this current area within ?

Sorry for the rant ...

Les

 

[BRIANHO13]

It would not happen (Sub-Chapters) because there are no provisions for it in the bylaws. The process for including this into the bylaws would be nearly impossible to accomplish (IMHO). Besides, as Sean has already mentioned, having an "official" sub-chapter would have the same administrative process' as having a Chapter. Informal "sub-chapters", "Close Nit Groups", or "Cliques", whatever you want to call them, have happened all along in local areas within the MWC. Regardless of the outcome of this Chapter request, I am sure these local "close nit groups" will continue to get together and do what they all have been doing all along. This is what is all about ... making friends and sharing information about their XJ's (wheelin',street, or stock) and continuing their hobby.

I believe these are the important questions to be answered:
1) Will the new MWC continue to grow after a new Chapter is organized?

It has continued to grow since I have become a member, why would it stop?​

2) What areas would be better served within being split off from the original MWC core area? I personally don't know how to answer this one.
2) Will the new Chapter also be able to grow and be able to exist independent of the MWC? Would tht not be up to the new chapters member to get the word out.....how does the current one grow?
3) Are there enough people that are willing to voluteer their time to run both Chapters, and represent this current area within ? To raise all this hell and not offer my help would be wrong.

Sorry for the rant ...

Les

 

[LBEXJ]

... What areas would be better served within being split off from the original MWC core area? I personally don't know how to answer this one.

Ooops ... should read: 2) Would these areas be better served within by being split off from the original MWC core area?

Lucky you could even read it ...

Les