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More first hand experience!

All you guys that are on 31's and contemplating 4.10's over 4.56's, just go with the 4.56's. I just re-geared going from 3.55 to 4.56 and I couldn't be happier! I cruise between 65-75 mph, and rpm stay between 2400-2800. My fuel mileage improved noticeably and I can lite my tires up at a whim.

31's + 4.56 = :D
 
SBrad001 said:
More first hand experience!

All you guys that are on 31's and contemplating 4.10's over 4.56's, just go with the 4.56's. I just re-geared going from 3.55 to 4.56 and I couldn't be happier! I cruise between 65-75 mph, and rpm stay between 2400-2800. My fuel mileage improved noticeably and I can lite my tires up at a whim.

31's + 4.56 = :D

So you're saying you've not tried 4.10s, but recommend against them w/o any basis in actual experience? I guess I'm not sold on the high reving=better mileage thing--if that were the case, why not ignore OD and simply run in third all the time?
 
4.56's are a great choice for 31's or 32's. Very peppy, and not egregious on the highway if you keep it below 75.
 
CRASH said:
4.56's are a great choice for 31's or 32's. Very peppy, and not egregious on the highway if you keep it below 75.

I had 4.56s and 35" BFG muds on my FSB w/the C6 (no OD) the engine spun ~3500 @ 65, which was quite annoying on long trips (great off-road, though). Granted the XJ has OD (and about 1/3 the HP/torque my 425 stroker had) but I can't imagine it would be comfortable with 31s on the hiway at ~70 for long periods of time. For a DD, I guess I'll have to compromise the low crawl range a bit and stick w/my decision to go 4.10s.
 
I run 2800 - 3000 RPM with a 4.7 liter stroker all day long. I get 17 mpg on 35" tires, loaded with the AC on. 18 with the AC off. Level ground. 70-75 mph.
 
CRASH said:
I run 2800 - 3000 RPM with a 4.7 liter stroker all day long. I get 17 mpg on 35" tires, loaded with the AC on. 18 with the AC off. Level ground. 70-75 mph.

So I'm turning about 3K in 3rd on my 235s at 70/75--I should consider abandoning the use of OD to increase my mileage? I will agree the power is nice--I just don't know if I'd want it spinning that fast all the time. I guess in third you'd be spinning about where my Bronco was (only you're getting about twice the MPG that got :-) It may very well be that running 4.56s with no OD has negatively skewed my perception (I often wished I'd got 4.10s). I certainly respect your opinion--it is a decision that would be very costly to change, were one unhappy with the gearing choice one made!
 
Please help me with 4.11 gear.
i'm from indonesia, and i need to buy this gear online.
what online shop can i buy this from?
can somebody help me with the online shop?
thanks y'all.
 
alright.....it has taken me a few times to get through the 12 pages (at this point) of posts about gearing, but i'm here...finally.

right now i'm running stock gears with 32s. i've got about 5" of lift, roof rack with lights across, full size spare in the back and usually some tools on top of that. i drive pretty mellow and get 15 or 16 mpg. for my daily driving around town (not driving faster than 60 usually) . my 99 motor and tranny are running good and seem to have a lot of life left (knock on wood). i'm happy with the driving performance at this point, but i'm curious what 4.56 gears would do to the driving characteristics from where it is at now. it sounds like people are happy with the switch to 4.56 with 31-33s, but were you all really unhappy before hand? i'm thinking it'd have some more spunk with the 4.56 gears and would not need to shift back and forth as much along hills.

i'm going to be towing my new boat on occasion, and i'm thinking the 4.56 gears would help tremendously with that effort.

let me know if you've got some first hand experience. like i said, i'm not rally unhappy with the way my jeep drives, but i'm curious what 4.56 gears would offer.
 
hmulyo said:
Please help me with 4.11 gear.
i'm from indonesia, and i need to buy this gear online.
what online shop can i buy this from?
can somebody help me with the online shop?
thanks y'all.

Got mine from Ryan and he looked after me really well even sending it to Australia for me and helped when some advice was needed in the install. www.rawbrown.com
 
lassy said:
alright.....it has taken me a few times to get through the 12 pages (at this point) of posts about gearing, but i'm here...finally.

right now i'm running stock gears with 32s. i've got about 5" of lift, roof rack with lights across, full size spare in the back and usually some tools on top of that. i drive pretty mellow and get 15 or 16 mpg. for my daily driving around town (not driving faster than 60 usually) . my 99 motor and tranny are running good and seem to have a lot of life left (knock on wood). i'm happy with the driving performance at this point, but i'm curious what 4.56 gears would do to the driving characteristics from where it is at now. it sounds like people are happy with the switch to 4.56 with 31-33s, but were you all really unhappy before hand? i'm thinking it'd have some more spunk with the 4.56 gears and would not need to shift back and forth as much along hills.

i'm going to be towing my new boat on occasion, and i'm thinking the 4.56 gears would help tremendously with that effort.

let me know if you've got some first hand experience. like i said, i'm not rally unhappy with the way my jeep drives, but i'm curious what 4.56 gears would offer.
your only unhappy because you dont know any better:D The difference is night and day, you'll be asking why you didnt do it sooner.
 
I had 31/4.56's & got 17-18mpg back & forth to work. About 12miles with some stop& go. On the interstate running 75 I got about 19. Off the line performance will be night to day, if your into that. With the towing I think you will be much better off with the 4.56's & your trans. will be happier too. JIM.
 
OK, got the 8.8 today. A gearing decision is getting closer. Was looking thru Randy's R&P site and noticed that 4.27/4.30s are available for D30/8.8 respectively. Perhaps this might be a good compromise for my 31s as I am (even with all the expert opinions so far expressed) a bit hesitant to go with 4.56s on my DD. Opinions or observations, anyone?

Edit: After a little more looking, it does not appear (at least on Randy's) that there is a reverse cut 4.27 available, so the question may be moot.
 
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mecompco said:
OK, got the 8.8 today. A gearing decision is getting closer. Was looking thru Randy's R&P site and noticed that 4.27/4.30s are available for D30/8.8 respectively. Perhaps this might be a good compromise for my 31s as (even with all the expert opinions so far expressed) a bit hesitant to go with 4.56s on my DD. Opinions or observations, anyone?

I have 4.56's, and when I ran 31's, it was great on road and great off road. Now at 33's, its near stock, IMO. At times, I wished I had a lower gear, even with the 31's, when wheelin. I also run an AX15, so its completly different than an Auto. Haven't had a chance to wheel the 33's yet, but I am looking for D44's for the deeper gearing, because I know I won't like 4.56's with 33's.
 
12GAXJ said:
I have 4.56's, and when I ran 31's, it was great on road and great off road. Now at 33's, its near stock, IMO. At times, I wished I had a lower gear, even with the 31's, when wheelin. I also run an AX15, so its completly different than an Auto. Haven't had a chance to wheel the 33's yet, but I am looking for D44's for the deeper gearing, because I know I won't like 4.56's with 33's.

Man, that's what everyone keeps saying! I put 4.56s in my FSB w/35s and is never was all that pleasant on the road, though it was a 3 speed C-6 with no OD--it was great off road, though. Have you considered the 8.8 instead of the D44? You can certainly go deep with that, if you so desire!
 
mecompco said:
Man, that's what everyone keeps saying! I put 4.56s in my FSB w/35s and is never was all that pleasant on the road, though it was a 3 speed C-6 with no OD--it was great off road, though. Have you considered the 8.8 instead of the D44? You can certainly go deep with that, if you so desire!

I have considered it, but around here, D44's seem to be quite cheaper. And a 33 spline upgrade too, minus C clips, ect.. Also the FSB has a lot more torque, which helps out a lot with higher gearing and bigger tires.
 
12GAXJ said:
I have considered it, but around here, D44's seem to be quite cheaper. And a 33 spline upgrade too, minus C clips, ect.. Also the FSB has a lot more torque, which helps out a lot with higher gearing and bigger tires.

True--my 425 stroker put down some serious torque--if you didn't have the brake pedal "to the floor" when you put it in gear it would squawk the tires at idle (Detroit in back, LSD in front). Isn't the 8.8 stronger than 44? I am putting the Super 88 in mine, so C clips won't be a worry--I suppose it will end up being an expensive upgrade when all is said and done, and the 44 is pretty much a plug-n-play option--probably a smarter upgrade--won't be the first time I've spent more money than was necessary, but I think it will be bullet-proof for my intended usage.
 
I tried to make it through this whole thread and got to page 7 or 8 and I just couldn't take it anymore! Regardless this is a very informative thread and I'm glad I stumbled on it. I'm thinking of purchasing and XJ soon, and I would have been waaay off if I just bought some gears based on personal experience. I have 2 lifted vehicles and neither of them come quite close to the gear ratios/calculations you guys are running on these jeeps. For instance:

1) 4.88s are too low for the XJ project: My 2001 dodge ram 1500, 5.2L V8 auto, 37x12.50MTR - I ran 3.55s for too long waiting on 4.88s to come out, as 4.56s were the lowest you could fit in the 9.25 rear. 4.56 was "optimal" for my situation according to the "calculators" but I figured they weren't taking into account the significantly larger rolling resistance of the bigger tires. I was glad I held out, and 4.88s worked out perfectly, but when it's wet out, it's really hard to make the rear tires stick... borderline dangerous. Naturally I would assume that, for what I'm looking for in this XJ project, 4.88s would be to low. I guess I underestimated the effect of a 5.2L v8 vs. the 4.0L 6...?

2)4.10s are too tall for the XJ project: My 1994 YJ, 4.0L, manual tranny, 37x12.50 SSR - This setup works just fine on the road, a little more gearing would be nice, but definately not necessary. I was happy with the 12 or so MPGs I was getting, but that's because I was used to the dodge getting around 8 or so. Off road, it was painfully obvious that 4.10s weren't enough. I went pretty much everywhere I wanted to go, but the stress on the drivetrain due to lack of gearing led to way too many broken parts.

Point being, I'm going to run 33s or 35s on my XJ project, and based on previous experience I would have chosen 4.10s with 33s or 4.56 with 35s. I was pretty far off with this "educated guess" if you can call it that. My main concern with this XJ will be fuel mileage and based on what I've read here, I'm thinking 4.88s. I still need to do a little more research before I go buyin' gears, but it seems to me the solution to good gas mileage is finding the gear ratio that will put you in the right RPM range and (again, from what I've read here...) this should be just under 3000 RPM. I live in south louisiana, so hills are rare and this thing will see the majority of it's time on the highway, so off road performance isn't as much of a concern.

Am I on target here?
 
mecompco said:
True--my 425 stroker put down some serious torque--if you didn't have the brake pedal "to the floor" when you put it in gear it would squawk the tires at idle (Detroit in back, LSD in front). Isn't the 8.8 stronger than 44? I am putting the Super 88 in mine, so C clips won't be a worry--I suppose it will end up being an expensive upgrade when all is said and done, and the 44 is pretty much a plug-n-play option--probably a smarter upgrade--won't be the first time I've spent more money than was necessary, but I think it will be bullet-proof for my intended usage.

The only real downfall to C-clips is that WITH THE D35 (or any drum brake axle for that matter), they hold your axle in... so if you break a shaft, it slides out and your wheel falls off. With the 8.8, c-clips aren't really an issue. If you break a shaft, the disc brakes (95+ I believe) will hold your wheel on until you can limp off of the trail.

This is much more significant if you don't trailer your rig and you can't carry spares. With a non-c-clip axle, in the event of a broken shaft, you can pull the broken peice out, "bolt" the "hub" (for lack of a better term) back on, and then drive home on the front axle (provided you have an SYE of course).
 
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