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piece of mind

I guess sometimes people get tired of writing the same thing over and over.
I can kind of understand that, I´m dyslexic, have a foriegn key board and a german spell checker, sometimes posts can be an ordeal.

What kind of gets me though, is somebody will ask a question and nobody answers, I guess sometimes nobody knows the answer. Always heard there is no such thing as a stupid question. I think every post, deserves some kind of a reaction, only if it´s to say go away or gee I don´t know the answer either. Ignoring or shunning people, doesn´t seem right, a simple go away is sufficent. Kind of appears sometimes, to be like a highschool click or "holier than thou", but is actually kind of rare.
 
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The 'do a search' phenomenon has evolved over time. Its a commonly expressed sentiment on forums of all types. What it has to do with is related to a few items, namely, most simple topics have been beaten to death. And I mean really beaten to death. Search for budget boost or tires and look around at what you see. What it comes down to is that those of us who have lurked on this site or posted for a while know that many times, the exact same question has been asked over and over again. It may seem simple to just answer it again, but what it leads to is dozens if not hundreds of dead threads on the same topic with the same questions and the same answers. Even though I may know the answer to a question, it is a waste of my time to answer it if it has already been answered many times. It is much easier for the poster to simply spend a few minutes searching for the answer themselves. Lots of times you will find it pretty easily. Sometimes, the answer is just not to be had as its a new topic or needs expansion. In those cases, if you ask, you shall receive... (another minor irritant, depending on your perspective, is spelling. The title of this thread is case in point, what you meant was 'peace of mind' not 'piece', right?) In other cases, the question is just poorly thought out. Like 'what kind of tires should I use?'. That's like asking 'what color should I paint my bathroom?', the answer is entirely dependent on the asker's situation, and no amount of advice will be able to answer it correctly for that user. For future reference, topics that have been beaten to death include but are not limited to: budget boosts, tires, axle upgrades, shock lengths, slip yoke eliminators, tranny drops, add-a-leafs, shackle lengths, pinion angles, most questions related to specific manufacturers products, coil spacers, etc, etc, etc. The point is, if you want to know something, spend some time searching and reading. If after a couple of hours of research you still can't find the answer, ask it gently with clues in the thread title as to what you need and include plenty of information about your rig, your driving style, your access to tools and workspace, your experience and what you want to accomplish. Don't get cutesy, don't use a 'cleverly' titled thread like 'free boobs for Americans' and the like and if you get flamed, point out that you have searched before you feel offended. There are exceptions of course, like if you have your jeep ripped apart and really need a fast answer to a simple question, but you can bloody well expect to be torn a new one for not researching first. When that happens, just happily enjoy the reaming and read first the next time.

I sincerely hope this helps...

B.
 
actually, i did mean piece of mind. and if people like yourself are so fed up with answering peoples questions, then just don't respond to the thread. it is that easy. or go find another forum. and don't know, it just seems like there is nothing that pisses me off more than to have a bunch of guys who have been doing this shit for a while look down upon all of those who are just getting interested. if i were a noob and did not know shit about stuff, i would be very discouraged by some of the guys on this forum shooting them down.
 
cherowagon said:
actually, i did mean piece of mind. and if people like yourself are so fed up with answering peoples questions, then just don't respond to the thread. it is that easy. or go find another forum. and don't know, it just seems like there is nothing that pisses me off more than to have a bunch of guys who have been doing this shit for a while look down upon all of those who are just getting interested. if i were a noob and did not know shit about stuff, i would be very discouraged by some of the guys on this forum shooting them down.
so really what you are saying is that your pissed because you are too lazy to search and hate getting told to do it when you just want a quick answer to your questions?



:D
 
cherowagon said:
uh, no...i know enough about jeeps to figure it out on my own. i just feel bad for all the noobs.
Feel sorry for someone who gets told to search something out? Man...if you don't have enough skin to take that then the internet is somewhere you should never venture.
 
cherowagon said:
actually, i did mean piece of mind. and if people like yourself are so fed up with answering peoples questions, then just don't respond to the thread. it is that easy. or go find another forum. and don't know, it just seems like there is nothing that pisses me off more than to have a bunch of guys who have been doing this shit for a while look down upon all of those who are just getting interested. if i were a noob and did not know shit about stuff, i would be very discouraged by some of the guys on this forum shooting them down.

Yeah I'm guilty of saying do a search, although I often add some hints as to what to look for or give enough info to get someone going.
Anyways have you ever seen someone ask for suggestions for lifting a jeep about 2 posts above someone else asking that same question? Now that just tops it. You're saying that you're pissed off by people who tell others to do a search, but how are they supposed to respond to someone who wants to work on their vehicle and wants everything on a platter without even reading a post 2 posts down? How many times do you see a post about "what's the best tire for ME?". If anything they should read other posts just so that they could ask the question and provide enough info for a useful answer to be formulated.

Btw, I've been told to do a search by others every so often... and you know what, after running a search for the second time I ussually found what I was looking for :D

RKR
P.S.
Saying do a search has nothing to do with looking down on people who want to get started. I've met quite a few people from the boards in person at events and every single one of them was very helpful when help was needed even if they've never met someone before. Hell, I know of quite a few late night wrench sessions in my driveway when I helped people out or people helped me out........... anyways I think I'm starting to rant....... :soapbox:
P.S.S. I think that if you were to do a search this topic has been covered before rather extensively.
 
DrMoab said:
so really what you are saying is that your pissed because you are too lazy to search and hate getting told to do it when you just want a quick answer to your questions?
I think you've nailed it right on the head.
 
cherowagon said:
see, it is people like all of you who give forums a bad name...i give up, i said what i needed to say. flame away.
No, it is people like you that bitch about the insignificant things, when they really just need to STFU.

Fergie

IB some smart ass links my housing post.
 
Just to throw a variable out there, sometimes when people are venturing into projects, that they are unfamiliar with, information overload becomes a problem. Doing a search doesn´t help much, with information overload. While a new post on an old topic, might help to clarify things a bit. Even having the book sitting right there opened to the proper page, I´ve still had occasional "Oh chit" questions, that additional pages of information probably won´t help answer. Wouldn´t call it lazy.
I know for sure, I´ve failed to understand or get a grasp on a project (the old brain needs some serious defrag) and may want to hear the same answer in a different way, that hasn´t been covered or isn´t very clear. Or read the step by step in the FSM or a post and am having a little trouble with the mechanic speak or even different names for common parts or procedures.
IMO, I don´t think there has ever been anyone born with PHD in Jeep, it´s all a learning curve. Poor communication, may be factor, in some duplicate questions.
 
8Mud said:
Just to throw a variable out there, sometimes when people are venturing into projects, that they are unfamiliar with, information overload becomes a problem. Doing a search doesn´t help much, with information overload. While a new post on an old topic, might help to clarify things a bit. Even having the book sitting right there opened to the proper page, I´ve still had occasional "Oh chit" questions, that additional pages of information probably won´t help answer. Wouldn´t call it lazy.
I know for sure, I´ve failed to understand or get a grasp on a project (the old brain needs some serious defrag) and may want to hear the same answer in a different way, that hasn´t been covered or isn´t very clear. Or read the step by step in the FSM or a post and am having a little trouble with the mechanic speak or even different names for common parts or procedures.
IMO, I don´t think there has ever been anyone born with PHD in Jeep, it´s all a learning curve. Poor communication, may be factor, in some duplicate questions.

OK, on a serious note, you do bring up a good point. There is a do a search and do a search. I am against someone saying "do a search newb" when it's something that's not too clear. For that matter I'm against saying "do a search newb" for the fact that someone is being put down for being a newb. I am for saying "do a search" (along with providing some hints as to what to look for or ideas that might help out) though when a question that is asked is one as Beej mentioned, beaten to death. Anyways, problem is that from what I've seen in the threads where "do a search" is posted, it is due not to information overload but to information lack.
A good example would be request for torque specs. Quite often it's the same torque specs over and over again, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone say "do a search" there. But getting back to our well known "what lift should I buy" or "which tire should I buy" which get the majority of "do a search" wouldn't you say that those are a result of someone being lazy? Anyways I guess it all comes down to the way the question is asked. If someone posts "I want a lift kit, what's best out there?", he's most likely going to get a "do a search sooner or later". If someone asks something along the lines: "I am looking for kit that can do this for me, and I"ve found out that there is this copmany with this kit and that company with that kit, what are the pros and cons to them and is there anything else that will do what I'm looking for?" he's going to get a lot of helpful info.
 
SOMETIMES doing a search brings to much blah, blah, blah answer, blah, blah, blah in the threads when all we really need is a quick answer. You know the posts, question gets asked and then some off topic banter hijacks the thread before coming back to original posted question.

NAXJA is doing something about the Frequently Asked Questions, but let's be patient. It's still a ways away.

However I will point out to the OP cherowagon that;
A. This is NOT chat, that is in another area of the forum.
and
B. Become a member who financially supports this forum before you jump on a members case, it will give you more credibility and allows the discussion to take place where it needs to be...the members only forum.

Take care,
Tom
 
Beej said:
Search for budget boost or tires and look around at what you see. What it comes down to is that those of us who have lurked on this site or posted for a while know that many times, the exact same question has been asked over and over again.
More often than not, there's usually at least one current thread on the exact same topic...

hasta
 
Personally, I'm very glad that the FAQ section is in process. It is an excellent reflection of what I believe NAXJA does best. I have taken the time to "do the search" on a lot of information. The problem with that is the pages and pages of marginally related posts that don't answer the q. My vote is with the previous posts that suggested to either offer a positive post on the topic, or leave no post. IMO, people seriously undermine their credibility when they leave a worthless negative post.

I became a paying member of NAXJA because of positive posts. Negative posts send people the opposite direction.

Doug
 
tsgolo said:
Personally, I'm very glad that the FAQ section is in process. It is an excellent reflection of what I believe NAXJA does best. I have taken the time to "do the search" on a lot of information. The problem with that is the pages and pages of marginally related posts that don't answer the q. My vote is with the previous posts that suggested to either offer a positive post on the topic, or leave no post. IMO, people seriously undermine their credibility when they leave a worthless negative post.

I became a paying member of NAXJA because of positive posts. Negative posts send people the opposite direction.

Doug


that is exaclty what i am trying to get across
 
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