everything below the --------------------------------- is an exerpt from the thread. i'm not going to footnote every thread. i gave the source at the beginning of the post. if people are too dumb to figure it out, that's their problem
Is 11,000 acres the issue that has everyone outraged, or is the proximity to JV?
The unwarranted litigated Glamis closure is four times this area, the threats to Utah are fifty times this area, and we have lost over 11 million acres of potential driving area in the last twenty years in California alone (areas where responsible travel on the existing roads and trails would create zero new impact ... were simply posted closed by Administrative and Executive Order).
The threat to JV is real, as the endangerd milkvetch claim by the CBD extends to any variation of buckwheat (including the Cushenberry milkvetch). The valued habitat travel "gap" between the DPA and the SBNF places JV smack in the path of the "wildlands" corridoor. If the CBD is successful with a claim demand to list one of the (over) nine-hundred buckwheat or milkvetch variations as a unique endangered species they will demand a similar ESA listing for every other variation that exists in the "gaps" between the wildlands linkages they desire. The (fringed toed) lizard variations and the (scarab) beetle variations are two of sixteen alternate ESA listing requests openly demanded by the CBD, so winning the fight will not be from simply exposing false and incomplete science of one species listing request (like the ASA's effort with milkvetch). The fight to expose and eliminate the litigated false ESA listing threat to human recreation on public land demandds ESA reform. This is one reason why ESA reform is of critical importance to keep all land open to motorized access (public and private land).
Keep posting anything you guys find of interest in the Land Use arena, as it exposes the greater picture of what we are up against to preserve legal motorized access on narrow roads and trails adjacent to our countries valued wild spaces.
Land closure, no matter where it is sucks. In Plymouth,MA. there is an area of Plymouth beach known as Long Beach, open to 4X4's only and permits are by lottery. If you are lucky enough to get a permit it still doesn't mean you will be able to go out there. More permits are issued than vehicles are allowed at one time on the beach.
VERY often the beach is closed due to a bird know as a Piping Plover, what sucks about this is that the bird is not native to MA. It fly thousands of miles and makes nest on Long Beach.
In NH thousands of acres are off limits to OHRV's due to "burrowing animals", seems, we may destroy the burrows.
Down the road from me is "land developer" putting up so-called affordable luxury houses (425k), average yearly income in my town is 28k..no more 4 wheelin' on that property either. They can run heavy equip. all over the place, I guess it knows enough not to destroy burrows, along with all the golf carts that run around too.
I'd like to go to MA and grab a "plover", bring it up here and stuff it in a burrow on his property......lol
I think some organized massive civil disobedience with TV cameras around could become a tactic of the CA OHV community.
This all comes down to politics, and as long as anti-OHV politics is painless, we're going to keep losing. Right now, anti-green politics is painfull, but anti-OHV politics is not. We need to change that.
I think some organized massive civil disobedience with TV cameras around could become a tactic of the CA OHV community.
This all comes down to politics, and as long as anti-OHV politics is painless, we're going to keep losing. Right now, anti-green politics is painfull, but anti-OHV politics is not. We need to change that.
More like if they shut down areas of existing open OHV recreation areas. Of course, if something like that happened there has to be fact sheets/press releases that provide the headline for them. At some point we may need to grow a collective set of balls.
I think some organized massive civil disobedience with TV cameras around could become a tactic of the CA OHV community.
This all comes down to politics, and as long as anti-OHV politics is painless, we're going to keep losing. Right now, anti-green politics is painfull, but anti-OHV politics is not. We need to change that.
All we need are some cameras at TDS' Saturday night "Fiesta" at the notches...and Sunday morning's aftermath before the cleanup. That would probably be a large nail in the OHV coffin. I won't even go at night anymore. I feel it's unsafe as far as wheeling goes (drunks and their vehicles) and the fact that I honestly believe that the vast majority of the night's attendees are from South of the Border and have no respect for any one or any thing while there. I do however go the Sunday morning after and pick up lots and lots of Bud Light cans. Sunrise at the notches after this makes me feel ill, just from the sight of things.
