Keeping A Low Center of Gravity.

3fifty said:
I understand what your saying but if your into running mud then up travel still isnt an issue because you dont need it. Then then argument is about height is need for clearance, not height is needed for up travel. :)
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Yeah you are right there, uptravel is not important in muddin. :)
 
3fifty said:
Yes, that is my biggest problem. /sarcasm

You do not need 8" of lift to run 35" tires. Despite what you think. After reading through the last 50 posts you've made I can see why you made that comment. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Next time, please try to add something of value or just pass on through.
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Relax. It's just an opinion, am I allowed to have it Mr. Moderator? But thanks for doing research on me, I feel all important and stuff.
 
You'll need to bumpstop pretty much regardless of how much lift you run if you put a correspondingly bigger tire on. I've had to bumpstop the piss out of mine with a 6"~ lift and 35"s, especially the fronts.
 
I am with you on LCG issue, if i am not mistaken the only 4" coils you can get are TJ coils and thier going to have a soft spring rate.heard good things about DPG kits.i prefer to piece my own suspension parts from various suspension companys.you might look into the following.BDS,RE and skyjacker have stiffer coils rates,Ironman4x4 fab controls arms,solid steel and adjustable set of 4 is about 280.00, trac bars ironrock offroad, ironman also makes a nice one and both are convert bracket to double shear.leafs you can make yourself or buy, i dont think you can beat OME leafs for price and quality.extended brake lines thier are many options,chevy fronts and tj or dakota rears are a inexpensive option.as far as shackles thier are to many to name.disconnects JKS and BDS are excellent choices. thier are many quality lift parts out thier from smaller suspension companys. Re and the other big names are not the only ones making quality parts. as far as shocks the choices are huge, do yourself a favor and call doetsch and talk to a tech about the baja ryder and 8000 series. my .02.
 
uptravel issues?

these pics were taken within a couple hours of eachother:

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thats with about 2.5" of lift and 36" iroks. I also run progressive rate poly bumpstops. at the time of those pics i was running about 1.5" of compression before the bumps hit. then they furhter compressed until bottomed.
 
ktm racer 419 said:
uptravel issues?

Great man. I'm glad for you. But it doesn't prove my point wrong. You will engage your bumpstops before I will, which leads me to my original point of uptravel issues. Whether or not you need it (uptravel). i.e. Mud or DD.
As a result of engaging your bumpstop earlier your will more than likely begin to body lean before I, as I will continue to flex (upward).

Sorry no pics of me jumping or riding down the street for you, you'll just have to imagine them.
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Yes, you will have more flex, yes, he can sidehill better. Either side of the argument has pluses and minuses. It's up to the individual Jeeper to way those and decide which will work for their terrain, driving style, etc. Personally, I'm running 33s on about 5-5.5" of lift with the fenders cut away a lot. I plan on sticking 35s in there next, unless I get a bigger front axle to handle 37s...Then it's gonna be HMMWV wheels and tires.
 
ktm racer 419 said:
uptravel issues?

these pics were taken within a couple hours of eachother:

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thats with about 2.5" of lift and 36" iroks. I also run progressive rate poly bumpstops. at the time of those pics i was running about 1.5" of compression before the bumps hit. then they furhter compressed until bottomed.
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I wouldn't go showing that first picture of yourself around too much...;)

Now the question is how does you jumping it prove you have no uptravel issues? All we know is that a low lifted Jeep can leave the ground if you hit a jump with it.

BTW, I like the minimal lift/maximum tire idea. So don't think I'm giving you crap because I disagree...:D
 
Nova Wake said:
So do you think the dpg super ultimate 4" is a good choice? or are dpgs lowered re 5" combo better?
I'm leaning towards the OME combo.

http://www.dpgoff-road.com/site/OMEXJkits.htm

last one on that page. or

http://www.dpgoff-road.com/site/REXJhybridkits.htm

last one lowered 5" kit.

and what about the lowered re long arm 5" kit its the same price as the OME 4" kit.
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I have the OME 4" kit...its essentially the 3" kit with a spacer and an extra leaf, though I think I'll take it out and reuse my jks shackles in the rear. Of course, there are all the other goodies in the kit. top quality. I have little to report on the ride, as I'm still sorting through death wobble issues.
 
Darky said:
I wouldn't go showing that first picture of yourself around too much...;)

Now the question is how does you jumping it prove you have no uptravel issues? All we know is that a low lifted Jeep can leave the ground if you hit a jump with it.

BTW, I like the minimal lift/maximum tire idea. So don't think I'm giving you crap because I disagree...:D
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the first picture is me making fun of a friend of mine. it's my duty to post it where i can.

anyway

if i had "uptravel" issues, would i be jumping it? what goes up must come down.
 
Built2Flex said:
Great man. I'm glad for you. But it doesn't prove my point wrong. You will engage your bumpstops before I will, which leads me to my original point of uptravel issues. Whether or not you need it (uptravel). i.e. Mud or DD.
As a result of engaging your bumpstop earlier your will more than likely begin to body lean before I, as I will continue to flex (upward).

Sorry no pics of me jumping or riding down the street for you, you'll just have to imagine them.
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With a name like built2flex, i wouldnt expect you to see the benefit of "uptravel issues" on an actual decent COG and wheeling suspension setup versus an overflexy RTI queen
 
So i take it your using the prothane coil insert front and the progressive wedge rear.from what i have read about thier inserts you figure what a standard bump stop would be and basically add about 3.5".was reading some on them in jeepspeed thread,apparently goatman and others feel like thier the next best thing to air bumps.after my lift height change from 3-4.5 i plannned on using these.
 
Built2Flex said:
Great man. I'm glad for you. But it doesn't prove my point wrong. You will engage your bumpstops before I will, which leads me to my original point of uptravel issues. Whether or not you need it (uptravel). i.e. Mud or DD.
As a result of engaging your bumpstop earlier your will more than likely begin to body lean before I, as I will continue to flex (upward).

Sorry no pics of me jumping or riding down the street for you, you'll just have to imagine them.
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on a serious note.

I have run 6" of lift with 37's

as well as 2.5" and 37's and every lift height inbetween. same vehicle setup the same way.

and the 6" lift was my least favorite setup.
the front end would get light relatively fast and I would lift tire at the most inopportune times. only ran it one run like that and it was enough for me.

I see where you are coming from with the "engangement of bumpstop and body lean flex" whatever you want to call it.

not sure about other rigs, but my jeep is very predictable when it comes situations like you describe. its not often i run out of flex but when i do i simply lift a tire. very rarely does the suspension come down on the drooped side. but this is only when severely off camber. but if i can keep the rubber side down what does it matter? I have seen taller rigs end up on their roofs from the same obstacles, same lines.

in the end everyones rig is different for a reason, if we were all the same it would be a pretty boring place around here.
 
builder said:
So i take it your using the prothane coil insert front and the progressive wedge rear.from what i have read about thier inserts you figure what a standard bump stop would be and basically add about 3.5".was reading some on them in jeepspeed thread,apparently goatman and others feel like thier the next best thing to air bumps.after my lift height change from 3-4.5 i plannned on using these.
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yessir

prothanes in front and these in back (since the pic i have taken out a couple leaves and extended the bumpstops by 2.5" (this is not ride height)

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I love them, made my jeep a totally different machine offroad (especially at anything above 15 mph)
 
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