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There have been some good discussion in this thread by many of us. Some questions may still exist and I will attempt to answer them as best I can. The following is all biblically based. I have attended Calvary Chapel Bible College in Costa Mesa where I formally studied the word of God. In addition I have been a student of the Bible on my own for the past nine years. Anyone who does not know the scripture verses that support what I have written can PM me and I will provide them. Keep in mind that I am not infallible, and nothing I have written should be taken as Gospel, only the Holy Bible can provide that. But what I have written is a good and accurate commentary of what I believe to be true regarding the gospel message. The only truly safe bet is to read the Bible for yourself, as I have done every day for the past nine years of my life. I recommend you start with the gospel of John.

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Do people go to hell simply because they do not believe in Jesus Christ? I do not believe that the Bible teaches that at all, in fact I believe it is an insult to God to teach such heresy. Let us first examine man from God’s perspective and find out why any one would go to hell.

Man is sinful. All have sinned. What is sin? Well to answer that we first must examine what is Holy. God is holy, that means he always acts in accordance with His divine nature. He is always just, always light and always love. There is no injustice with God, no darkness, and nothing evil. God’s standard for righteousness is Himself. In order to be considered righteous by God, man has to be exactly like God in all that man does, or in the example given to us 2000 years ago, exactly like Jesus. The Ten Commandments are summed up in two. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. God knows that unless we love Him with all our strength, we will never be able to love our neighbor perfectly. For God is love, and in order to be loving, we must know the source of love, God.

Not a single one of us has ever kept all of the Ten Commandments, and most of us, myself included have broken everyone of them either literally, or in his heart. The Lord Jesus said that if we are angry with our brother without a cause, we are in danger of the same judgment as murder, or if we look at a woman to lust, we have already committed adultery in our hearts. And who among us can say he has never lied, or fudged on his taxes even a little. Who can say he has never stolen anything, ever?

So my point is made. We have all broken the law of God, whether we believe in Him or not, whether we live in some remote village, or grew up in some family with no religion at all, we all fall short of God’s standard of righteousness. One of God’s attributes is justice, and God has said that the soul that sins must die. So we all will die, and be eternally separated from a holy God. Since God is holy, he can have no fellowship with the unholy. Though man was created in the image and likeness of God, man chose to disobey God and was separated from Him.

God has the right to set the standard, since He is the creator. Who are we to say to God, why did you make me like this? Can the creature really find fault with the creator who gave to him his very breath. The answer is no. When we chose to disobey God, our fate was sealed. We had a death sentence on our head. This fact alone should cause one to tremble before God in fear. The Bible says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

So no one destined for hell (a place created by God that has no light, only darkness, and no joy, only weeping and gnashing of teeth, because it is a place separated from God who is light) can say that God has sent them there because they simply chose the wrong religion or no religion at all. They are sent there because they have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And no one in hell right now will say that God is unfair. Every soul in hell knows they deserve to be there, for God is a just God, or He is no God at all.

But now the Good News. God is also a forgiving and very loving God. But He can not be a God of justice and simply forgive us just because His nature is forgiving and loving, that would contradict His nature as a God of justice who rightly judges sin. The Bible says that the penalty for sin, be it murder, or a white lie, is the same; eternal death and separation from God in a place called Hell. The Bible says that if we have broken one of God’s commandments, we have broken them all.
So God sent His one and only Son, Jesus the Christ. Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a perfect life in the flesh, was tempted in every way any man has ever been tempted, but Jesus never gave in, He never sinned. Instead, he healed the sick and lame, He raised the dead to life, he fed the hungry, and he associated with all men, but did not partake of the sins of any. He was not sent here to send anyone to Hell, but to live a perfect life, and to give us a perfect example of His Father in heaven.

When it came time for Him to lay down His life, He pleaded with His Father that this death would escape Him, the shame of the cross was before Him, the mockery that would follow Him to the grave and the insults, but most of all the separation from His Father in the hour of His death was before Him. A separation He had never known in all eternity! But Jesus was obedient even unto death. Why? Because you and I have sinned, and because He loved us and knew there was no other way.

Our sin must be judged, and after that we are eternally separated from God in a place called Hell for all eternity. There was no other way for mankind to stand before God and escape judgment, apart from that judgment falling on God’s one and only Son. If there was any other way, any other religion, any man that could truly live a sin free life, then God would not have sacrificed His own Son.

Now listen very carefully to what I am about to reveal. God’s love was demonstrated in that while we were still sinners, Christ took our sin upon Himself and died. The death that was meant for us, was upon Him who knew no sin. Three days later He rose from the dead, and He lives forever more. That is a true demonstration of God’s love, and the only demonstration we need. When people say how could a loving God allow this, or allow that (you fill in the blank), I look to the cross and see a loving God taking the sins of the world upon Himself, it is at the cross of Jesus Christ that my eyes see the God of love. The evil in this world is a demonstration of all that is apposed to God, not a demonstration of His lack of love. He promises to return, and make all things new, in that day the faithful will rejoice together, and every tear wiped from our eyes.

God took our sin and our punishment upon Himself so He remains a God of justice who rightly judges sin. No one can say to God he is unjust and allows murders, and thieves to go to heaven without judgment. He took the punishment of our sin upon Himself, and then said that whoever believes in this divine act of love will be forgiven. And this faith is a living faith, and only God knows if a man is truly repentful. God can judge if a man about to die is truly coming to a saving faith in his last hour of life, and if given another chance to live would live rightly and faithfully. But the Bible also warns us that every time we hear the Gospel message and reject it, our hearts get harder, and harder. The man who spends his entire life rejecting Christ (as apposed to the one who hears of Christ for the first time in His last hour of life), will more likely die in his sins, self righteous in his own eyes, and eternally separated from God. Prayer and fasting is a means available to the believer for the friend, or family member with a heart that has rejected Christ. Through prayer, God can soften a man's heart.

So the God I preach is a forgiving God, and this forgiveness is found through the death of His Son, and through no one else, and nothing else. There is no other way for man to escape eternal death, apart from a real and living faith in Christ. No religion, and no amount of good works can earn man his pardon. God has provided the only way, the only truth, and the only real life, and that life is found in faith in Jesus Christ alone. Christians like me make that way known. The choice to accept it is yours, as are the consequences for rejecting it. Rejecting the payment for your sins means you accept the consequences for them instead.

No one who has read this will be able to stand before God and claim he did not know. And those who never knew will simply be rightly judged for their sins. This is why Christ commanded those of us who believe in Him to go into all the world and preach the Gospel message; because faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Romans 10:14-15:
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

"How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!"
 
Frankly Trail-Axe, I could care less about this stuff. I simply find you sig line quote insulting and demeaning. If I change one little work in that quote, it suddenly becomes an attack on christians. So the why fark should stand by and allow you to state that I am "a fool", "corrupt" and that my "actions are evil" or that I'm not a good person simply because I'm an atheist?

You can take you moral superiority and . . . and well you know what you can do with it.

But the most I'm going to get out you, is you hiding behind biblical scripture quotes. You are a painfully shallow and sad person in my eyes who will never be able see past your interpretation of reality. You will without a doubt find some way of insisting that you are the persecuted and insulted minority.
 
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I also find that particular choice of biblical quotes to be offensive in your sig line. I wish it would be removed. Isolated like that it's not in context with the rest of the Psalm, and there is no chance that it can actually communicate the message that you likely hope that it will. The reality of it is that it immediately alienates anyone whom you might hope to communicate your message to.
 
Goatman said:
I also find that particular choice of biblical quotes to be offensive in your sig line. I wish it would be removed. Isolated like that it's not in context with the rest of the Psalm, and there is no chance that it can actually communicate the message that you likely hope that it will. The reality of it is that it immediately alienates anyone whom you might hope to communicate your message to.

There are a great many sigs which should be removed. The same could be said about Avatars. Where exactly do you draw the line?

Though I do not find Trail-Axe's sig offensive, I do believe that if his intent is to convert, putting only that part of the Psalm as his sig is not going to garner any support from this largely secular bunch.

How about these sigs ;)

Life is not a popularity contest.

Survival does not recognise equality.

Darwin never recognised sexual equality because in order for life to continue, one side must get screwed over, and over, and over.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
There are a great many sigs which should be removed. The same could be said about Avatars. Where exactly do you draw the line?

Though I do not find Trail-Axe's sig offensive, I do believe that if his intent is to convert, putting only that part of the Psalm as his sig is not going to garner any support from this largely secular bunch.

How about these sigs ;)

Life is not a popularity contest.

Survival does not recognise equality.

Darwin never recognised sexual equality because in order for life to continue, one side must get screwed over, and over, and over.

Hey Ron, I think it's cool that you are standing up for Trail-Axe.

Part of the reason his sig line pisses me off, is because of prior threads and discussions this cat has been in on.

I am NOT asking for Trail-Axe to change his sig line, BUT I will give him crap for it. I am also NOT asking the powers that be to make him change his sig line either. BUT just as he has the right in my eyes to continue using that quote from the bible, I think I have right to also say it's a bigoted twit thing to have as one's sig line.
 
SBrad001 said:
Hey Ron, I think it's cool that you are standing up for Trail-Axe.

Part of the reason his sig line pisses me off, is because of prior threads and discussions this cat has been in on.

I am NOT asking for Trail-Axe to change his sig line, BUT I will give him crap for it. I am also NOT asking the powers that be to make him change his sig line either. BUT just as he has the right in my eyes to continue using that quote from the bible, I think I have right to also say it's a bigoted twit thing to have as one's sig line.

We all have to believe in something. Trail-Axe just seems to be very "enthusiastic" about his beliefs. The sig is a missquote as far as I can tell, but there are so many versions of the Bible, it's hard to say exactly.

I've read some of those threads, and think perhaps he is a member of the Jehovah's Wiitnesses and has to get this out of his system now and again before he explodes, or whatever happens to Witnesses when they fail to "witness".
//Hello// //Sorry, I'm not interested// //Thank you for the Pamplet// //Yes, I know I'm going to hell, have a nice day.// KABOOM! -lol.

Somehow though, and this may be partly my fault, this discussion turned to religion. As such, he is welcome to share his beliefs with all of us.

It's a fair cop to dissagree with his sig. My point of discussion was Goatman's "wish" that it be removed. Sometimes wishes turn into rules and regulations, and we don't want to have any of that nonsense.
 
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Zuki-Ron said:
We all have to believe in something. Trail-Axe just seems to be very "enthusiastic" about his beliefs. The sig is a missquote as far as I can tell, but there are so many versions of the Bible, it's hard to say exactly.

I've read some of those threads, and think perhaps he is a member of the Jehovah's Wiitnesses and has to get this out of his system now and again before he explodes, or whatever happens to Witnesses when they fail to "witness".
//Hello// //Sorry, I'm not interested// //Thank you for the Pamplet// //Yes, I know I'm going to hell, have a nice day.// KABOOM! -lol.

Somehow though, and this may be partly my fault, this discussion turned to religion. As such, he is welcome to share his beliefs with all of us.

It's a fair cop to dissagree with his sig. My point of discussion was Goatman's "wish" that it be removed. Sometimes wishes turn into rules and regulations, and we don't want to have any of that nonsense.

Well, the sig is not a misquote, I looked it up to be sure. Yes, I own a copy of the bible, but like any 'good' library I included it the fiction section of my collection.

And no, this isn't your fault. I believe it was me call out Trail-Axe on his first post in this thread that started this religious tangent.

Third, thanks for seeing that. Although I wish he would remove it too, I wish he would remove it because he stopped being a twit. Not because I asked him or because he was forced to change it. So yeah, we don't want any of that nonsense! :D
 
Whats the big deal with Trail-axe's sig?
"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!".

It means nothing if you dont believe in god, at least it means nothing to me, Its a quote from a book of fiction.
What if he had a quote from" the Adventures of Tom Sawyer"? Would anyone care.
What if his quote went like this" Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Santa Clause." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!".
How about this? "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Tooth Fairy." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"
How about this? "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Spiderman." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"

It would be laughable, I doubt anyone here believes in Santa, the Tooth Fair or Spiderman so why is no one offended by a quote stating you are an evil corrupt fool for not believing in Santa, molar hoe and Spidy but they get all outa sorts over god?
 
Ray H said:
Whats the big deal with Trail-axe's sig?
"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!".

It means nothing if you dont believe in god, at least it means nothing to me, Its a quote from a book of fiction.
What if he had a quote from" the Adventures of Tom Sawyer"? Would anyone care.
What if his quote went like this" Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Santa Clause." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!".
How about this? "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Tooth Fairy." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"
How about this? "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no Spiderman." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"

It would be laughable, I doubt anyone here believes in Santa, the Tooth Fair or Spiderman so why is no one offended by a quote stating you are an evil corrupt fool for not believing in Santa, molar hoe and Spidy but they get all outa sorts over god?

Honestly Ray, it's because it's Trail-Axe and the intent behind the sig line is to demean and insult those that are atheists that he has spoken with before on this board.

So let him keep the sig line if he wants. That's fine by me.
 
SBrad001 said:
Honestly Ray, it's because it's Trail-Axe and the intent behind the sig line is to demean and insult those that are atheists that he has spoken with before on this board.

So let him keep the sig line if he wants. That's fine by me.

I get that, but so what if he doesnt like Atheists? Big deal.
Ever try to insult someone and they just dont care, it kind of loses its effectiveness.
On the other hand, I have gone off on someone here once for something small and insignificant that they said, so I understand where you're coming from.
 
Ray H said:
I get that, but so what if he doesnt like Atheists? Big deal.
Ever try to insult someone and they just dont care, it kind of loses its effectiveness.
On the other hand, I have gone off on someone here once for something small and insignificant that they said, so I understand where you're coming from.


I won't lie, he irritates the crap out of me. Few people do. Maybe he should be proud. :D

For cryin' out loud though, I posted up that link the other day about the idiot suing the publishers of the bible because he was a moron. I loathe idiots like that, but does that mean I should roll over and play dead when some idiot decides he wants to insult or demean me? Hell no! I'm not going to stand around and do or say nothing.

And your argument of "what if he just doesn't like atheists?" That's same thing as saying "what if he just doesn't like blacks or mexicans or fill in the blank". I'm not asking him to love me, like me or even stand in the same room as me. He proclaim on the mountain top how much me looks down up atheists, BUT I'm still going to call him on it because it's the right thing for me to do. Maybe not the right thing for you, or anyone else, but it is the right thing for me to do.
 
SBrad001 said:
And your argument of "what if he just doesn't like atheists?" That's same thing as saying "what if he just doesn't like blacks or mexicans or fill in the blank".

That arument doesnt work on me very well because I think its acceptable to not like other people based on their color or heritage. As an example, the law can make me not discriminate but it can't make me like some one. Thats a personal decision that should be left to me. Its ok if a black person doesnt like me because Im white, just dont disqualify me from a job because Im white.
The moderators cant make people like me and the law cant make people like me. Sometimes I can make people like me and sometimes I cant.

I guess its as much your right to voice your opinions of him as it is for him to voice his opinions.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
It's a fair cop to dissagree with his sig. My point of discussion was Goatman's "wish" that it be removed. Sometimes wishes turn into rules and regulations, and we don't want to have any of that nonsense.

I only meant that I wish he would remove it, and quote something that could be more productive to his own position. It leaves way too much room for misunderstanding..........IMHO, and I'm one of the Christians in this discussion. I certainly wouldn't want any action taken about it, or plenty of other signitures.

I'm very glad that for the most part this has been a pretty decent discussion, by decent I don't mean valuable, I mean that folks have expressed some pointed views and the responses have been reasonably measured.

Oh, and Trail-Axe isn't a Jehovah's Witness. He said he went to Calvary Chapel Bible School, definitely not JH.
 
All I really have to say is, if somebody yells duck and you stop to decide whether it is the Holy Ghost or the transsexual standing next to you, you are likely going to get beaned.:D
 
TRNDRVR said:
I'm sitting here in Grand Junction and I don't feel any different. Must not be working.

Once again.......hasta



HEATHEN !!!!


By the way your next door neighbor just won the powerball lotto.

Hell YHWH was only off by about 50 ft.

Move to the left a little ya fat bastard.


:piratefla:
 
SBrad001 said:
I looked it up to be sure. Yes, I own a copy of the bible, but like any 'good' library I included it the fiction section of my collection.

The new Testament of the Bible is an account of the life of Jesus. Check with even an athiest historian and they will tell you that the accounts really did happen. So it shouldn't be weather you believe in Jesus, but do you believe he is who he said he is.
 
jeeplas said:
The new Testament of the Bible is an account of the life of Jesus. Check with even an athiest historian and they will tell you that the accounts really did happen. So it shouldn't be weather you believe in Jesus, but do you believe he is who he said he is.

It was a joke. . .
 
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