I missed the news.. True? Did he say this?

[Darky]

No backpedaling from me. There's many different denominations of Christianity, each with different beliefs on every imaginable subject. The influence of man. From what I've read, there is no chance after death. There's no faith involved in believing something you see. It takes no faith for me to believe that my jeep will climb the big hill behind my in-law's house, I've driven up it. If you die and see God, it takes no faith to believe in Him and what He's done.

 

[Bent]

No backpedaling from me.

Nor me. It is clear we have hit a nerve, though.

 

[TRNDRVR]

Nor me. It is clear we have hit a nerve, though.

No nerve.

I just see 2 guys here who believe in the same thing saying 2 different things about the same topic.

Somebody here is stepping on their penis, and it's certainly not me.


:conceited

 

[GSequoia]

He is a forgiving God...

That's one of my biggest problems with just about all religons. They all say their God is a great guy, you really want to be friends with him, he'd give you the shirt off his back, etc...

But they also say if you commit the crime of not believing in him you're damned to an eternity being seperated from him (be hit hell or whatever).

So let's say I'm just the best person in the world. I feed the homeless, help the needy, and in general make the world a better place every day (so basically the opposite of what I am!). I'm driving my Jeep down the 110 one morning and a tractor trailer hauling Propane runs me over and kills me (damn you Ryan, you were texting while driving!). *Poof*

Now why do I go to hell? I wasn't born into the religion so I didn't believe. Or hell, maybe you're wrong and some oddball religion that's only known on a small island off the coast of India is the correct one, I didn't know about it so didnt' believe. Why would a "loving" god send me to hell?

It's one of the biggest logical flaws right on the surface in my eyes.

 

[Ray H]

So, is your god a forgiving god or not? From the looks of it, I'd vote no.

If not believing in god is a sin, will I not be given to opportunity upon my death to decide for myself? (if god really exist)

Personally, I'm one with Bart.

Its not my god. I dont beleive in god, but I try to see both sides. I was just trying to add to the fire.

 

[TRNDRVR]

That's one of my biggest problems with just about all religons. They all say their God is a great guy, you really want to be friends with him, he'd give you the shirt off his back, etc...

But they also say if you commit the crime of not believing in him you're damned to an eternity being seperated from him (be hit hell or whatever).

So let's say I'm just the best person in the world. I feed the homeless, help the needy, and in general make the world a better place every day (so basically the opposite of what I am!). I'm driving my Jeep down the 110 one morning and a tractor trailer hauling Propane runs me over and kills me (damn you Ryan, you were texting while driving!). *Poof*

Now why do I go to hell? I wasn't born into the religion so I didn't believe. Or hell, maybe you're wrong and some oddball religion that's only known on a small island off the coast of India is the correct one, I didn't know about it so didnt' believe. Why would a "loving" god send me to hell?

It's one of the biggest logical flaws right on the surface in my eyes.

Your turn G, I'm getting bored with this toy.

:conceited

 

[Bent]

I just see 2 guys here who believe in the same thing saying 2 different things about the same topic.

We are both saying the same thing. I just didn't define "too late", he did. Think instead of grasping at straws.

 

[smcdonaldaz]

im catholic

Ummm, last I checked, Catholics are christian too. Or did I miss your point?

 

[jeeplas]

Now why do I go to hell? I wasn't born into the religion so I didn't believe. Or hell, maybe you're wrong and some oddball religion that's only known on a small island off the coast of India is the correct one, I didn't know about it so didnt' believe. Why would a "loving" god send me to hell?

It's one of the biggest logical flaws right on the surface in my eyes.

But you do know that is the key. You have been told by people and if you have ever read any of the bible that that is the way it is. You can choose to ignore it or investigate it farther and decide for yourself what you want to do.

 

[Ray H]

That's one of my biggest problems with just about all religons. They all say their God is a great guy, you really want to be friends with him, he'd give you the shirt off his back, etc...

But they also say if you commit the crime of not believing in him you're damned to an eternity being seperated from him (be hit hell or whatever).

So let's say I'm just the best person in the world. I feed the homeless, help the needy, and in general make the world a better place every day (so basically the opposite of what I am!). I'm driving my Jeep down the 110 one morning and a tractor trailer hauling Propane runs me over and kills me (damn you Ryan, you were texting while driving!). *Poof*

Now why do I go to hell? I wasn't born into the religion so I didn't believe. Or hell, maybe you're wrong and some oddball religion that's only known on a small island off the coast of India is the correct one, I didn't know about it so didnt' believe. Why would a "loving" god send me to hell?

It's one of the biggest logical flaws right on the surface in my eyes.

Youre on the right track, only those who have faith will be admitted through the gates, it doesnt matter how you lived. Maybe someone who has scripture in front of them can answer this better but I think there are special provisions that allows for infants and others who dont know about christianity. Basically those who havent had the decision to make.
I cant answer the "loving god" question. that one baffles me as well. Its kind of a "love me or else" thing that I dont get.

 

[TRNDRVR]

You have been told by people and if you have ever read any of the bible that that is the way it is.

That's just like saying that everything you read on the internet is true.

The bible was written by man for the pleasure of man. How do you know it's true? Because "You have been told by people and if you have ever read any of the bible that that is the way it is"?

Come on now.....hasta

 

[Goatman]

That's one of my biggest problems with just about all religons. They all say their God is a great guy, you really want to be friends with him, he'd give you the shirt off his back, etc...

But they also say if you commit the crime of not believing in him you're damned to an eternity being seperated from him (be hit hell or whatever).

So let's say I'm just the best person in the world. I feed the homeless, help the needy, and in general make the world a better place every day (so basically the opposite of what I am!). I'm driving my Jeep down the 110 one morning and a tractor trailer hauling Propane runs me over and kills me (damn you Ryan, you were texting while driving!). *Poof*

Now why do I go to hell? I wasn't born into the religion so I didn't believe. Or hell, maybe you're wrong and some oddball religion that's only known on a small island off the coast of India is the correct one, I didn't know about it so didnt' believe. Why would a "loving" god send me to hell?

It's one of the biggest logical flaws right on the surface in my eyes.

Excellent question, and there is a very logical answer from the Christian perspective. One day, if it ever comes up when we're talking, we can talk about it. As with most things, perspective brings it all into line..........even if you're talking about suspensions or reliability.

 

[jeeplas]

That's just like saying that everything you read on the internet is true.

The bible was written by man for man. How do you know it's true? Because "You have been told by people and if you have ever read any of the bible that that is the way it is"?

Come on now.....hasta

I think I was answering Geoff. I already know that you are not open to even the remote possiblity and I will pray for you.

 

[TRNDRVR]

I will pray for you.

Tell me, for whose pleasure are you going to do this for? Mine or yours?

What will you get out of it?

What will I get out of it?

Will it work?

????????

Again........hasta

 

[Darky]

but I think there are special provisions that allows for infants and others who dont know about christianity. Basically those who havent had the decision to make.

I don't have the scriptures here in front of me but I do remember something about an age of accountability. Basically, infants, small children, those who haven't yet reached an age/mental capacity to understand what's going on are held accountable.

Geoff: Basically, (mind you this is how it's been explained to me) He is a loving and forgiving God, however, if you choose not to believe after hearing the truth, you have rejected Him and kinda sealed your own fate. God analogy: The Gospel is a life preserver thrown out to a drowning world, you can choose to take hold of it and live or reject it and drown. There is no swimming for shore.
As far as for those who haven't had an opportunity to hear and are past the aforementioned age of accountability, its supposed to work that everyone will hear at least once. That's why if you hear and it resonates, its not wise to put it off, it could be the last chance you have. However I struggle with this one myself...Surely there's unknown tribes in Africa or the Amazon, etc that have never heard the Word and are dying on a regular basis. So, that's the best answer I can give you.

 

[jeeplas]

Will it work?

????????

Only God knows!

 

[Darky]

Tell me, for whose pleasure are you going to do this for? Mine or yours?

What will you get out of it?

What will I get out of it?

Will it work?

????????

Again........hasta

Why do you object to her praying for you? Would it work better for if she were to send out positive vibes? Sometimes there is a time to hold your fingers(?) and not send back the sarcastic reply. Just for your sake, after I finish praying for you, I will also offer up a burnt offering of bald tires to the off-road gods for you

 

[TRNDRVR]

Why do you object to her praying for you?

Because what's the point?

You're wasting your time!

I'm sitting here in Grand Junction and I don't feel any different. Must not be working.

Once again.......hasta

 

[8Mud]

I don't have the scriptures here in front of me but I do remember something about an age of accountability. Basically, infants, small children, those who haven't yet reached an age/mental capacity to understand what's going on are held accountable.

Geoff: Basically, (mind you this is how it's been explained to me) He is a loving and forgiving God, however, if you choose not to believe after hearing the truth, you have rejected Him and kinda sealed your own fate. God analogy: The Gospel is a life preserver thrown out to a drowning world, you can choose to take hold of it and live or reject it and drown. There is no swimming for shore.
As far as for those who haven't had an opportunity to hear and are past the aforementioned age of accountability, its supposed to work that everyone will hear at least once. That's why if you hear and it resonates, its not wise to put it off, it could be the last chance you have. However I struggle with this one myself...Surely there's unknown tribes in Africa or the Amazon, etc that have never heard the Word and are dying on a regular basis. So, that's the best answer I can give you.

Those who live as the animals and have never known the word of God are saved. As are those too young to understand it as opposed to those who have heard the word and rejected it.
I'm probably slaughtering the passage, but that is as close as I can remember.
I also remember a passage that said, only the hecklers are truly damned. I don't know the truth or accuracy of the passage, but sure don't think it's prudent to go out of my way for amusement to test the validity of the passage.

 

[Darky]

Because what's the point?

You're wasting your time!

I'm sitting here in Grand Junction and I don't feel any different. Must not be working.

Once again.......hasta

You taunting me, her, or Trail-Axe to talk us out of our beliefs is pretty pointless too...I'm sitting here in 29 Palms and don't believe any different...