I missed the news.. True? Did he say this?

[Darky]

When you comin down? My Jeep most likely won't be able to run any trails...but I'm always good to watch, hitch a ride, whatever.

 

[TRNDRVR]

So why on earth can't they take responsibility for the their own lives?

For as much crap I flip them and ask the same question, I can NEVER get a straight answer.

 

[8Mud]

For as much crap I flip them and ask the same question, I can NEVER get a straight answer.

Does it really make any difference if you follow somebody else's road signs or follow your own path as long as you get where your going without crashing or getting lost.

 

[Goatman]

Ryan really, what more do you expect from a drug addicted, alcoholic, gay ex-con whose only thing in life now is to grab onto his imaginary fairy-tale character friend for support to try to find out why he’s such a loser at life???

Everybody is guilty of something. Including myself. But it's nothing so bad that I have to succumb to imaginary fairy-tale characters to explain to myself why I was such a loser.

Sorry, but I tend to have the ability to stand for myself and not have to rely on a crutch to get through life. 46 years and its worked just fine so far.

:conceited

OK, Dan, now you and I are going to have to talk "religion" the next time we sit down and have a few beers. We'll see if we can do it in a way that doesn't invoke insults from either of us................ :moon:

I do sort of agree with you on something, though. Us Christians are worse than you non-Christians, not better than you. We need Christ because of who we are and what we've done, anyone who says different is misrepresenting our position. And, I certainly can't comment on who's trying harder to live a moral life, that's an internal thing that no one knows. I know many non-Christians who try to always do the right thing, I could never judge someone like that, as I know plenty of Christians who don't. Just because we have faith doesn't make us a better person, though hopefully our beliefs will work to that end, not being better than someone else, just better than we were before. Each of us still makes decisions on an ongoing bases about what our behavior will be, and behavior is really all that we can call good or bad.

Also, I really don't see how you can criticize our faith in God. You appear to have just as strong a faith that there is no God.......what's the difference? I'm sure you believe what you believe based on evidence that you see, I certainly believe what I believe based on evidence that I've seen. Which one of us has seen the more accurate evidence or has the correct faith? Only time will tell. :cheers:

 

[Darky]

Does it really make any difference if you follow somebody else's road signs or follow your own path as long as you get where your going without crashing or getting lost.

good analogy

 

[ZomBrady]

Does it really make any difference if you follow somebody else's road signs or follow your own path as long as you get where your going without crashing or getting lost.

That would be great, 8Mud, if everyone thought that way, but Trail-Axe's sig line is far from that sentiment. I'm perfectly fine with you believing in a high power. But I don't care for some twit telling me I'm 'evil' and can 'do no good' because I don't believe in god. That guy uses biblical quotes to justify his hatred and bigotry.

Allow me to provide an example.

"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is a God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"

Changing one little word and suddenly this quote becomes an attack on christians. Don't tell me you don't find this some what insulting.

 

[Ray H]

OK, Dan, now you and I are going to have to talk "religion" the next time we sit down and have a few beers. We'll see if we can do it in a way that doesn't invoke insults from either of us................ :moon:

I do sort of agree with you on something, though. Us Christians are worse than you non-Christians, not better than you. We need Christ because of who we are and what we've done, anyone who says different is misrepresenting our position. And, I certainly can't comment on who's trying harder to live a moral life, that's an internal thing that no one knows. I know many non-Christians who try to always do the right thing, I could never judge someone like that, as I know plenty of Christians who don't. Just because we have faith doesn't make us a better person, though hopefully our beliefs will work to that end, not being better than someone else, just better than we were before. Each of us still makes decisions on an ongoing bases about what our behavior will be, and behavior is really all that we can call good or bad.

Also, I really don't see how you can criticize our faith in God. You appear to have just as strong a faith that there is no God.......what's the difference? I'm sure you believe what you believe based on evidence that you see, I certainly believe what I believe based on evidence that I've seen. Which one of us has seen the more accurate evidence or has the correct faith? Only time will tell. :cheers:

As far as I know, good or bad has little to nothing to do with it. The way I understand it, being a christian has nothing to do with how good or bad you have been or currently are. It has to do with whether or not you have accepted god into your life. There are plenty of murderers who have accepted christ and fully believe they will be going to heaven and then there are those people who have not accepted him but are doing the best they can to leading righteous lives and have never hurt anyone and they will be going to hell no matter how good they live simply because they dont believe. This is something that was hard for me to understand for a long time. How can someone who leads an exemplary life be denied heaven. Its easy, the key is, you must believe to get into heaven, it doesnt matter how good or bad you have been or what path you take, or how you end up. If you live to be 70 years old, you can kill, rape, lie, covet for 69 years as long as you accept christ at the last minute, you're in like flynn. It doesnt seem right, but thats the way it is.

 

[DrMoab]

So......you're saying that because you read the bible and I don't, you know from right and wrong, know how to fix your wrongs, and I don't?

I don't read the bible, in fact I am not really that religious and I feel the same way.

In so many ways I see you exactly as I see a preaching Born again. The only difference is whatever happened in your life caused you to reject religion and god where as a Born again accepts god.

Honestly as much as you are on here going against anyone who brings up god really makes you a hypocrite. You both are just exactly the same, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[98XJSport]

If you live to be 70 years old, you can kill, rape, lie, covet for 69 years as long as you accept christ at the last minute, you're in like flynn. It doesnt seem right, but thats the way it is.

Im going for the life of sin, followed by the presto-chango deathbed repentance. -Bart Simpson

 

[TRNDRVR]

Does it really make any difference if you follow somebody else's road signs or follow your own path as long as you get where your going without crashing or getting lost.

Not to me it doesn't. But ask trail-axe this same question and see what he says.

 

[TRNDRVR]

I don't read the bible, in fact I am not really that religious and I feel the same way.

In so many ways I see you exactly as I see a preaching Born again. The only difference is whatever happened in your life caused you to reject religion and god where as a Born again accepts god.

Honestly as much as you are on here going against anyone who brings up god really makes you a hypocrite. You both are just exactly the same, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

No where can I recollect that I've EVER started a post with religious undertones.

Someone else starts them,......game on!

*edit* Nothing happened in my life to reject religion. I was raised in a non-religious/god fearing/church going family.

 

[TRNDRVR]

There are plenty of murderers who have accepted christ and fully believe they will be going to heaven and then there are those people who have not accepted him but are doing the best they can to leading righteous lives and have never hurt anyone and they will be going to hell no matter how good they live simply because they dont believe

So, is your god a forgiving god or not? From the looks of it, I'd vote no.

If not believing in god is a sin, will I not be given to opportunity upon my death to decide for myself? (if god really exist)

Personally, I'm one with Bart.

 

[Goatman]

Ah, c'mon Dan, you answer the other guys but you don't answer me?

I feel left out.

 

[jeeplas]

This country was never Christian. And last I looked it was for religous freedom where the Church and State were seperate. Remember the whole "melting pot"? that doesnt just apply to race, but creed too.

The whole church and state seperate thing was meant to give religions protection from government influence not the other way around. In England they were forced to practice the same beliefs as the king and queen. We were and always will be a christian nation.

 

[SeansBlueXJ]

The whole church and state seperate thing was meant to give religions protection from government influence not the other way around. In England they were forced to practice the same beliefs as the king and queen. We were and always will be a christian nation.

:rtm: i think we covered that it clearely wasnt pages ago. And interpet it how you want but i think it;s a bad thing to have religous influences in Gov't. I mean ist that why so many here rant on about the middle east? their religon is influenceing their political dealings.

 

[8Mud]

The whole church and state seperate thing was meant to give religions protection from government influence not the other way around. In England they were forced to practice the same beliefs as the king and queen. We were and always will be a christian nation.

People get ate up with the separation of the church and state thing. First off it's a fallacy, much like any special interest group the church gets it's say in Government.
In Germany everybody pays a church tax, the money is used to keep that option viable for anybody who wishes to use it. Doesn't seem to upset anybody much, even the rabid atheists.
People get so wrapped up in the fine points they loose track of the goals. Like most everything else, the extremists screw it up for everybody.

 

[Darky]

He is a forgiving God, but you have to ask for forgiveness and turn away from your sin. Your given your entire life to decide, if you spend your entire life denying Him, you don't get a chance after death.

Ray: I've always had a hard time with whole presto-change-o deathbed conversion myself, but that's one of them things I have to deal with...When Jesus was on the cross, the thief next to him asked for His mercy, and Jesus told him he would see paradise that day. The other thief rejected Him to the end.

 

[Bent]

...will I not be given to opportunity upon my death to decide for myself?

Yes, we ALL will. However, it is up to each of us as individuals to determine as to whether or not it's too late.

 

[TRNDRVR]

OK, Dan, now you and I are going to have to talk "religion" the next time we sit down and have a few beers. We'll see if we can do it in a way that doesn't invoke insults from either of us................ :moon:

Like I said to blacksport98, I'm buying.

We need Christ because of who we are and what we've done, anyone who says different is misrepresenting our position.

So, somewhere along the line you've hit some kind of rock bottom when you refer to "who we are and what we've done"

Which one of us has seen the more accurate evidence or has the correct faith? Only time will tell. :cheers:

The crap-shoot of life!

Ah, c'mon Dan, you answer the other guys but you don't answer me?

I feel left out.

I think I asked you earlier Richard. When was the last time you preached to me?

I'm pretty sure your answer will be "never".

I guess you're the exception to the rule, because I've never heard anything from you on the level of trailaxe.

Also, I really don't see how you can criticize our faith in God.

I only aim my hostility towards this topic when "people" post crap like what is quoted below.

"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"
-Psalm 53:1

Like I said, what comes around goes around.

 

[TRNDRVR]

If not believing in god is a sin, will I not be given to opportunity upon my death to decide for myself?

He is a forgiving God, but you have to ask for forgiveness and turn away from your sin. Your given your entire life to decide, if you spend your entire life denying Him, you don't get a chance after death.

Yes, we ALL will. However, it is up to each of us as individuals to determine as to whether or not it's too late.

Let the back-pedaling begin. :confused1