gradon said:
Occupying a foreign nation and killing people for whatever bs reason is still murder. Thou shalt not kill. How do you think we would feel and act if some foreign nation came in and controlled our daily actions, our electricity, our water, our business, and claimed they were giving us freedom? Your best friends were locked up in jail for months/years on end w/out justification just because they were males ages 15-50 accused of being terrorists? We have no business in Iraq, and no business in Afghanistan, especially if 15 out of 21 of the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Nothing America has or will do to "help" Iraq will make up for the damage done to millions of Iraqis over the past 15-20 years or the damage that has been done to America for wasting billions(edit: will be at least a few trillion the way they're dragging it on and looking for other countries to move on to while they're already over there) over there instead of helping over here.
Try not swallowing the accepted rhetoric (most anything that comes out of a politicians mouth is either misdirection or a lie), believe what your own senses tell you. Your personal hypothesis is likely closer to he truth than anything ypu are being told.
There is an Islamic movement underway, a combination of a cyclic migration that has been repeated before and the moderates and extremists being driven out of there own countries by various factions. It seems to have calmed down some in recent years, but is still virile enough to be a threat. Half of Europe was occupied for a short time by Islamic armies at one time or another. Think about the Islamic thrust up the guts of Russia and how they've been trying to deal with it for decades. The Balkans and now much of central and Northern Europe. It isn't so much an invasion as it is an insurgency.
The main problem with many of the Islamic immigrants is they don't want to integrate, they want to turn Europe into much the same kind of sheit hole they ran away from in the first place. They want to replace you, not live with you.
What are the alternatives? Assimilate the immigrants, pass laws that hinder there living standard (keep then uncomfortable), close the borders and pass strict immigration laws, straighten out their homeland some so they don't want to leave in the first place. Likely all of the above.
Nobody sane really wants to kill anybody else, except on very rare occasions. Just like nobody really wants to cut through good organs to get to a tumor.
Ignore it long enough and you just might wake up some morning to a guy with a whip herding you out for morning prayers.
The parallels between the Islamic movements (there are more than one), the Fascist and the Communist movements of the twentieth century are just to apparent to ignore.
Don't kid yourself, the movement isn't dead, it's just re manifesting at the moment. And will reemerge as something else with much the same goals, they want to replace YOU. Raise the price of energy much more and they may OWN you.
Ever heard the term Christian Soldier? People use the term Crusader today almost exclusively in a negative context, is it actually a negative. The nature of a society is either to expand, maintain the status quo or shrink. The status quo is said to be the most unstable option.