I missed the news.. True? Did he say this?

[BIgDaddyChia]

God, you guys can be so thick sometimes. Just because I think Bush is the biggest mistake this country has ever made does not mean I supported Clinton.


I am allowed to dislike Bush, because he's an idiot and a complete mess up as a President.

Actually Jimmy Carter was the biggest mistake ever.

 

[Wallymander]

As far as this nation having being founded on "Christian" fundamentals, it was absolutely necessary at the time. You see the world has a history, of religious conflicts being the route to nation building and domination. Mainly its Islam and Christianity in a basic form. This current war we are in is just that, islam trying to knock everyone else out, its nothing new, and existed far before the USA existed. It is no religion of peace, just take a look at whats in the quran. Its a bloody, vengeful, mean spirited, means of controlling people and nations. there has been a battle against it for centuries now and that is exactly what is going on in the middle east right now. We are fighting Islam and the death it creates.

It cant be said, because it would be a "religious war" and thats just not doable.Our founding fathers knew it back then, and therefor they made sure there was a strong "godly" tie to the nation. Its needed.
So the "blood for oil" and all that is being stated. Because people just have no clue that this started a looooooooooong time ago.

By the way, Islam is growing in our country by leaps and bounds, and
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html
Look here as to why its a bad idea. We don't have to be a "Christian nation" But we better damn sure stick to "Christian values" Or some other less forgiving set of values WILL, WILL take the place of them. I guarantee

 

[DrMoab]

Actually Jimmy Carter was the biggest mistake ever.

LOL X2!

And the scarry thing is Obama is just like him...only darker and with bigger ears. Oh and a better speaker. But other then that, they are just alike.

 

[gradon]

Occupying a foreign nation and killing people for whatever bs reason is still murder. Thou shalt not kill. How do you think we would feel and act if some foreign nation came in and controlled our daily actions, our electricity, our water, our business, and claimed they were giving us freedom? Your best friends were locked up in jail for months/years on end w/out justification just because they were males ages 15-50 accused of being terrorists? We have no business in Iraq, and no business in Afghanistan, especially if 15 out of 21 of the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Nothing America has or will do to "help" Iraq will make up for the damage done to millions of Iraqis over the past 15-20 years or the damage that has been done to America for wasting billions(edit: will be at least a few trillion the way they're dragging it on and looking for other countries to move on to while they're already over there) over there instead of helping over here. I apologize now to yall and to the future generations that will look back on us and wonder why we sat back and let this ish happen and not stand up for the rights of all our fellow human beings. I am ashamed of the actions that the "leaders" of my country are making and the ignorance that abounds in the general public that has been misled. We do not all feel, nor believe in this way.

 

[8Mud]

Occupying a foreign nation and killing people for whatever bs reason is still murder. Thou shalt not kill. How do you think we would feel and act if some foreign nation came in and controlled our daily actions, our electricity, our water, our business, and claimed they were giving us freedom? Your best friends were locked up in jail for months/years on end w/out justification just because they were males ages 15-50 accused of being terrorists? We have no business in Iraq, and no business in Afghanistan, especially if 15 out of 21 of the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Nothing America has or will do to "help" Iraq will make up for the damage done to millions of Iraqis over the past 15-20 years or the damage that has been done to America for wasting billions(edit: will be at least a few trillion the way they're dragging it on and looking for other countries to move on to while they're already over there) over there instead of helping over here.

Try not swallowing the accepted rhetoric (most anything that comes out of a politicians mouth is either misdirection or a lie), believe what your own senses tell you. Your personal hypothesis is likely closer to he truth than anything ypu are being told.
There is an Islamic movement underway, a combination of a cyclic migration that has been repeated before and the moderates and extremists being driven out of there own countries by various factions. It seems to have calmed down some in recent years, but is still virile enough to be a threat. Half of Europe was occupied for a short time by Islamic armies at one time or another. Think about the Islamic thrust up the guts of Russia and how they've been trying to deal with it for decades. The Balkans and now much of central and Northern Europe. It isn't so much an invasion as it is an insurgency.
The main problem with many of the Islamic immigrants is they don't want to integrate, they want to turn Europe into much the same kind of sheit hole they ran away from in the first place. They want to replace you, not live with you.
What are the alternatives? Assimilate the immigrants, pass laws that hinder there living standard (keep then uncomfortable), close the borders and pass strict immigration laws, straighten out their homeland some so they don't want to leave in the first place. Likely all of the above.
Nobody sane really wants to kill anybody else, except on very rare occasions. Just like nobody really wants to cut through good organs to get to a tumor.
Ignore it long enough and you just might wake up some morning to a guy with a whip herding you out for morning prayers.
The parallels between the Islamic movements (there are more than one), the Fascist and the Communist movements of the twentieth century are just to apparent to ignore.
Don't kid yourself, the movement isn't dead, it's just re manifesting at the moment. And will reemerge as something else with much the same goals, they want to replace YOU. Raise the price of energy much more and they may OWN you.
Ever heard the term Christian Soldier? People use the term Crusader today almost exclusively in a negative context, is it actually a negative. The nature of a society is either to expand, maintain the status quo or shrink. The status quo is said to be the most unstable option.

 

[JNickel101]

God, you guys can be so thick sometimes. Just because I think Bush is the biggest mistake this country has ever made does not mean I supported Clinton.


I am allowed to dislike Bush, because he's an idiot and a complete mess up as a President.

I honestly believe Bush had good intentions. But you're right - not the smartest man. He was given lots of bad information, surrounded himself with even BIGGER idiots (Rummy), and FINALLY put smart dudes in charge of the NSA and CIA. You wouldnt believe how farked up those two organizations had been - from about 1994 to about 2004/5.

My biggest beef now....Iraq is finally getting back up to producing about 2 mil barrels of oil a day - their max at one time (1989) was about 3.5 mil/day. I think we should be BILLING them for our OIF (Operation Iraqi Freedom) costs. Instead, they're shipping 38% of their oil to India and China, because both of those countries have now built brand new refineries that can refine sour crude oil (which Iraq has - high sulfer content) into diesel fuel and kerosene.

 

[Wallymander]

I honestly believe Bush had good intentions. But you're right - not the smartest man. He was given lots of bad information, surrounded himself with even BIGGER idiots (Rummy), and FINALLY put smart dudes in charge of the NSA and CIA. You wouldnt believe how farked up those two organizations had been - from about 1994 to about 2004/5.

My biggest beef now....Iraq is finally getting back up to producing about 2 mil barrels of oil a day - their max at one time (1989) was about 3.5 mil/day. I think we should be BILLING them for our OIF (Operation Iraqi Freedom) costs. Instead, they're shipping 38% of their oil to India and China, because both of those countries have now built brand new refineries that can refine sour crude oil (which Iraq has - high sulfer content) into diesel fuel and kerosene.

Agreed, we liberated france and most of europe in WWII, AND gave them money and support to restructure. Never saw a dime in return.
Same here, well probably never see any return on our investment. but thats because a govt and the private industry work 100 percent different, the govt operates with a deficit planned. We ought to charge them for the oil, i agree. NO freaking gratitude, we dont take land, dont subue, persecute, claim to own,
or stake claim on thier land.
But like i and others have said , this battle is not about iraq, iran, afganistan, russia, china, germany, mexico, turkey, Canada,antarctica, or any other man made boundry. ( i realize antarctica is not a man made boundary, but you get my point) Its a battle between Islam and the suppression of it by Forces that understand that islam is bad for the survival of free people. Look at europe today, they may very well be the future of America. Islamist leaders that wist to have "tolerance" are imposing thier sharia law, and every time someone speaks a word about muhammed or even MENTIONS muslim faith, or Muslim and Christian in the same sentence, theres riots and then calls for someones head. OVER NOTHING!!!!!
Its an oppressive, blood thirsty religion and they use our "afraid to offend" that weve created ourselves, against us. If we offend them, we should be punished. I disagree.

That is what this war is mainly about. Not Bin Laden.

 

[JNickel101]

There is a certain group of Muslims (or maybe its a Muslim believe as a whole) that has a goal of a worldwide Islamic State. As you can see with Iran starting to taunt us - this "war" is going to go on for a long time. We, along with the UK, have been keeping Iran out of places like Qatar and Bahrain for a long time (especially Bahrain). I dont trust the Saudis or Kuwaitis....or the UAE...or Oman....or Qatar....ok, ANY of these countries over here. They tend to say one thing to your face, and do another behind your back. They believe they can put a choke-hold on the world economy b/c they control so much "cheap" oil (meaning, its easy for them to extract it out of the ground, where as the majority of the oil in the US is in difficult to reach areas). They really dont want to pump more oil b/c they know the faster they run out of oil, the faster their countries will crumble. Once Saudi runs out of oil....they have NOTHING left to offer the world and the country as a whole will probably collapse. That could be in 15 years or in 40 years. Who knows.

I could write on and on

And yes, Islam + Europe = getting scary

 

[Darky]

Occupying a foreign nation and killing people for whatever bs reason is still murder. Thou shalt not kill. How do you think we would feel and act if some foreign nation came in and controlled our daily actions, our electricity, our water, our business, and claimed they were giving us freedom? Your best friends were locked up in jail for months/years on end w/out justification just because they were males ages 15-50 accused of being terrorists? We have no business in Iraq, and no business in Afghanistan, especially if 15 out of 21 of the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Nothing America has or will do to "help" Iraq will make up for the damage done to millions of Iraqis over the past 15-20 years or the damage that has been done to America for wasting billions(edit: will be at least a few trillion the way they're dragging it on and looking for other countries to move on to while they're already over there) over there instead of helping over here. I apologize now to yall and to the future generations that will look back on us and wonder why we sat back and let this ish happen and not stand up for the rights of all our fellow human beings. I am ashamed of the actions that the "leaders" of my country are making and the ignorance that abounds in the general public that has been misled. We do not all feel, nor believe in this way.

Killing isn't a first resort but it can come down to a necessity at times. Not everyone is going to respond to logic and reason or even the dangling carrot. Sometimes the only option left is to start taking some of em out until they either lose the will to fight or rethink they're actions.

 

[Trail-Axe]

Killing isn't a first resort but it can come down to a necessity at times. Not everyone is going to respond to logic and reason or even the dangling carrot. Sometimes the only option left is to start taking some of em out until they either lose the will to fight or rethink they're actions.

I agree with you BlackSport96.

-And killing is not always murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. I have no problem using deadly force to defend my life. I also have no problem using deadly force to stop other people from feloniously killing or attempting to bring great bodily harm to innocent people. And I have no problem going to another country and killing those who have, or are planning to come here and kill us.

I support our commander and chief president George W. Bush, and think he is doing a fine job.

As far as our nation being a Christian nation, well that is what folks think that come here for the first time from the mission fields of the world. Those who have been touched with the Holy Spirit, and worship Jesus the Christ. But when they get here, they stop thinking that America is a Christian nation. They see "In God We Trust" on our money, but then they see us spending that money on pornography, abortion, corrupt politicians, and drugs. They come here expecting to find one nation under God, and instead they find a nation without God. They see bumper stickers that read God bless America, when it should say America Bless God, for God has already blessed America. We should spend more time being thankful for what we already have, and spend less time getting into debt for what we do not have.

 

[ZomBrady]

I agree with you BlackSport96.

-And killing is not always murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. I have no problem using deadly force to defend my life. I also have no problem using deadly force to stop other people from feloniously killing or attempting to bring great bodily harm to innocent people. And I have no problem going to another country and killing those who have, or are planning to come here and kill us.

I support our commander and chief president George W. Bush, and think he is doing a fine job.

As far as our nation being a Christian nation, well that is what folks think that come here for the first time from the mission fields of the world. Those who have been touched with the Holy Spirit, and worship Jesus the Christ. But when they get here, they stop thinking that America is a Christian nation. They see "In God We Trust" on our money, but then they see us spending that money on pornography, abortion, corrupt politicians, and drugs. They come here expecting to find one nation under God, and instead they find a nation without God. They see bumper stickers that read God bless America, when it should say America Bless God, for God has already blessed America. We should spend more time being thankful for what we already have, and spend less time getting into debt for what we do not have.

"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"
-Psalm 53:1

Are you done preaching and insulting people with your sig line?

 

[Ramsey]

 

[ZomBrady]

Definitely does not get the Best Thread Ever Award.

 

[DrMoab]

As far as our nation being a Christian nation, well that is what folks think that come here for the first time from the mission fields of the world. Those who have been touched with the Holy Spirit, and worship Jesus the Christ. But when they get here, they stop thinking that America is a Christian nation. They see "In God We Trust" on our money, but then they see us spending that money on pornography, abortion, corrupt politicians, and drugs. They come here expecting to find one nation under God, and instead they find a nation without God. They see bumper stickers that read God bless America, when it should say America Bless God, for God has already blessed America. We should spend more time being thankful for what we already have, and spend less time getting into debt for what we do not have.

Dude....please please please quit posting your religious nonsense on this fourm. All it does is make me angry because it makes Train Driver look right and that pisses me off.

 

[JNickel101]

Occupying a foreign nation and killing people for whatever bs reason is still murder. Thou shalt not kill. How do you think we would feel and act if some foreign nation came in and controlled our daily actions, our electricity, our water, our business, and claimed they were giving us freedom? Your best friends were locked up in jail for months/years on end w/out justification just because they were males ages 15-50 accused of being terrorists? We have no business in Iraq, and no business in Afghanistan, especially if 15 out of 21 of the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Nothing America has or will do to "help" Iraq will make up for the damage done to millions of Iraqis over the past 15-20 years or the damage that has been done to America for wasting billions(edit: will be at least a few trillion the way they're dragging it on and looking for other countries to move on to while they're already over there) over there instead of helping over here. I apologize now to yall and to the future generations that will look back on us and wonder why we sat back and let this ish happen and not stand up for the rights of all our fellow human beings. I am ashamed of the actions that the "leaders" of my country are making and the ignorance that abounds in the general public that has been misled. We do not all feel, nor believe in this way.

Just because they were born in Saudi Arabia does not mean that is the country that was supporting them. The countries over here are more like "states" in the way the people move around. Up to 70% of the populations of Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and Oman are NOT the "natives". There are TONS of Saudis, Syrians, Thai....the list goes on and on.

I hope you dont think all the money and killing we did in Europe to fight off another certain radical group of people was a "waste".

We are trying our best to NOT kill people in either country. Non-kinetic operations are at the the top of our list - but when you are being continually attacked, you can't just duck and cover...you have to defend yourself. Collateral (civilian) casualties are overall UNACCEPTABLE over here - unlike in WWII when we just bombed the shit out of anything and everything and didnt care if we killed combatants or civilians.

 

[TRNDRVR]

Dude....please please please quit posting your religious nonsense on this fourm. All it does is make me angry because it makes Train Driver look right and that pisses me off.

Ryan really, what more do you expect from a drug addicted, alcoholic, gay ex-con whose only thing in life now is to grab onto his imaginary fairy-tale character friend for support to try to find out why he’s such a loser at life???

 

[TRNDRVR]

"Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!"
-Psalm 53:1

Trail-Axe really, there is no god!

Now tell me how I'm "corrupt", how my "actions are evil", and again, how I "do no good". Please!

Mind you now, you don't even know me.

So post up your answers. I'm curious!

 

[8Mud]

Trail-Axe really, there is no god!

Now tell me how I'm "corrupt", how my "actions are evil", and again, how I "do no good". Please!

Mind you now, you don't even know me.

So post up your answers. I'm curious!

There are a lot of people who would say there is no evil. There are worse things than Christian values. Some people just need to keep a foot firmly planted in a belief system and aren't real impressed with the "LAW" (the sound of thunder, lighting flashes and a surreal image of justice glowing on the horizon).
The other extreme is adults molesting your children, people dancing naked in the streets, copulating on street corners, passed out on the sidewalks. Google Love Parade, images.

Maybe some of both extremes are needed to find any sort of balance.

 

[ZomBrady]

Trail-Axe really, there is no god!

Now tell me how I'm "corrupt", how my "actions are evil", and again, how I "do no good". Please!

Mind you now, you don't even know me.

So post up your answers. I'm curious!

Isn't obvious? Since god created everything including morality, those that deny his power and legitimacy also deny god's gift of morality. And without telling us what's right and wrong, we can't do what right. And therefor we atheists are horrible heathens who are responsible for all the evils in the world.

 

[8Mud]

Isn't obvious? Since god created everything including morality, those that deny his power and legitimacy also deny god's gift of morality. And without telling us what's right and wrong, we can't do what right. And therefor we atheists are horrible heathens who are responsible for all the evils in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I