El Sheetbox

Re: El Junky

I agree the abuse your 30 takes is impressive, but gear it properly for 39's and you will kill the r&p. I still argue that it doesn't work, multiple failures when overgeared are proof that geared properly there would be even more failures. Your rig is proof that you can wheel on a budget, but you'd better no how to swing some wrenches.
 
Re: El Junky

Looks like a great time!! That Trailhawk thing was getting cleaned in every pic. WTF? I saw a new cherokee for the first time today and didnt notice those headlights??
 
El Junky

I agree the abuse your 30 takes is impressive, but gear it properly for 39's and you will kill the r&p. I still argue that it doesn't work, multiple failures when overgeared are proof that geared properly there would be even more failures. Your rig is proof that you can wheel on a budget, but you'd better no how to swing some wrenches.

I will be doing the almost alloy dealio to the passenger side shaft meow as I haven't broken a shaft on the driver side since I did it... R&p should be the next weak point so ill see how weak soon enough... For the amount of wheeling I do I'd say it isn't to bad. Ask anyone who has wheeled with me... Even if I had tons I'd break them....
 
El Junky

Looks like a great time!! That Trailhawk thing was getting cleaned in every pic. WTF? I saw a new cherokee for the first time today and didnt notice those headlights??

I hate the new Cherokees! The inside was so nice though!
 
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I hate the new Cherokees! The inside was so nice though!

I just read a little about those in a mag the other night. They are supposed to be primarily a front wheel drive biased 4x4 system. The write-up made it sound like a Fiat/Jeep version of something like a Subaru Outback, or something similar. They seem to have ruined the "Cherokee" name that started with the FSJ's and ended (at least to me) with the XJ's.

The same article talked about Fiat doing something similar to the Wrangler, with independent suspension. They're just trying to figure out how to make a slightly longer travel IFS for it. Sorta like the Toyota FJ's they said. Are the manufacturers working with the eco-Nazis? They figure if they build only "4x4's" that can't really do the trails, then nobody will notice when the access to the trails is taken away?

Anyway, sorry about the rant on your thread. :soapbox: Looks like it was a fun trip up there.
 
Re: El Junky

I agree the abuse your 30 takes is impressive, but gear it properly for 39's and you will kill the r&p. I still argue that it doesn't work, multiple failures when overgeared are proof that geared properly there would be even more failures. Your rig is proof that you can wheel on a budget, but you'd better no how to swing some wrenches.

Even geared as long as they are setup correctly picking good lines and driving with your head it can stay together. For the couple years i was running the 39's and 30 i broke the crosspin in the carrier, but thats it and a few shafts.. 39's shouldnt.be on a 30 from all the broken ones with 35's, but i think thats caused by bad gear installs like jons breaking on the first trip or people not driving like tgey have a 30.
 
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Re: El Junky

When I broke my ring and pinion, I was definitely not driving like I had a 30. My brother in law had just rolled his wagoneer and I was trying to yank it over up hill to avoid further damage. I just hate having to drive like I have an axle that is too small. Yes, it can be made to work/ mostly hold together, but that doesn't disprove that it's marginal at best above 33's. My 4.8 geared and lunchbox locked with a stock cover, stock shafts, and no truss rear dana 35 held up to all 7 failures of the progressively built 30, guess that's proof that the dana 35 is bulletproof right? Even if someone runs 40's on a dana 30 and never breaks(which i have yet to see) doesn't prove that it's a good idea or that the axle is strong enough for them. For every person not breaking on 40's, there's dozens of us who broke on 35's. I'm all for making due with what you have, but I know from personal experience you'd be money ahead to go straight to a 60 instead of dumping time and money into the 30.
 
El Junky

When I broke my ring and pinion, I was definitely not driving like I had a 30. My brother in law had just rolled his wagoneer and I was trying to yank it over up hill to avoid further damage. I just hate having to drive like I have an axle that is too small. Yes, it can be made to work/ mostly hold together, but that doesn't disprove that it's marginal at best above 33's. My 4.8 geared and lunchbox locked with a stock cover, stock shafts, and no truss rear dana 35 held up to all 7 failures of the progressively built 30, guess that's proof that the dana 35 is bulletproof right? Even if someone runs 40's on a dana 30 and never breaks(which i have yet to see) doesn't prove that it's a good idea or that the axle is strong enough for them. For every person not breaking on 40's, there's dozens of us who broke on 35's. I'm all for making due with what you have, but I know from personal experience you'd be money ahead to go straight to a 60 instead of dumping time and money into the 30.

Thing is I don't have money into mine... 100 dollar locker... Shafts that r cheap or free
 
El Junky

Don't get me wrong I see what your saying.... Just like my setup cuz it does work
 
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When I broke my ring and pinion, I was definitely not driving like I had a 30. My brother in law had just rolled his wagoneer and I was trying to yank it over up hill to avoid further damage. I just hate having to drive like I have an axle that is too small. Yes, it can be made to work/ mostly hold together, but that doesn't disprove that it's marginal at best above 33's. My 4.8 geared and lunchbox locked with a stock cover, stock shafts, and no truss rear dana 35 held up to all 7 failures of the progressively built 30, guess that's proof that the dana 35 is bulletproof right? Even if someone runs 40's on a dana 30 and never breaks(which i have yet to see) doesn't prove that it's a good idea or that the axle is strong enough for them. For every person not breaking on 40's, there's dozens of us who broke on 35's. I'm all for making due with what you have, but I know from personal experience you'd be money ahead to go straight to a 60 instead of dumping time and money into the 30.
Never said it was bulletproof just that it can work. Shit after a dozen trips to the con, fordyce and a week at the hammers, i broke a couple stock shafts .. but im still not saying its the only axle everyone needs.
 
Re: El Junky

Since I have never met or wheeled with most of the people in this debate I hope you guys don't take this personal. But the idea of running big tires on a D30 long term is a really bad idea. I still have a d30 in my rig, ARB 4.88, CTMs, alloy shafts, and a WJ knuckle conversion running 35" MTRs. Pretty much a fully polished turd. Why did I spend all that money on a 30? Because I wanted to wheel my rig, and couldn't do the fab work to swap in a 44 or a 60. I never broke a stock shaft, but I have broken a few alloys on 33's. I have never broken a ring gear or a u-joint even when running alloys with 760s.

So again, why bother to spend all that money if I wasn't having problems? The biggest reason I did it was because of the inconvinience factor. I like to wrench on my rig in a nice shop, not on a dirty/rocky trail. I live driving my rig while on the few vacation days I am afforded, not wrenching on it. I like to allow the people in my group to have a good time wheeling, not watching me wrench on my rig. I want the people who travel thoudands of miles to run a trail the chance to run an obstacle without waiting for me to fix my rig. I want the guys who are wheeling with me to go wheeling again with me, not think twice about inviting me because I break all the time.

A properly set-up rig includes appropriate gearing and axle strength in relation to the tire size. If you are running huge tires on a stock drivetrain odds are you are using the large tires to compensate for the lack of ability inherent in a rig with a stock drivetrain. A stock drivetrain with huge tires is not condusive to driving easy. As you approach an obstacle rather than climbing over it the torque converter begins to slip and the rig stops, to continue moving you now require more throttle. As you increse the throttle the engine loads the torque converter until the point the rig now launches over the obstacle rather than traversing it in a controlled manner. Bad things happen at this point, you can't stay on the correct line, you slip off rocks and wedge yourself in a bad spot, you blow the beads on your tires. etc...

I understand wheeling on the cheap, but it is best to wheel with others who like to wheel on the cheap on lightly used trails close to home. Just because you CAN do something deosn't mean SHOULD be doing it.
 
El Junky

Since I have never met or wheeled with most of the people in this debate I hope you guys don't take this personal. But the idea of running big tires on a D30 long term is a really bad idea. I still have a d30 in my rig, ARB 4.88, CTMs, alloy shafts, and a WJ knuckle conversion running 35" MTRs. Pretty much a fully polished turd. Why did I spend all that money on a 30? Because I wanted to wheel my rig, and couldn't do the fab work to swap in a 44 or a 60. I never broke a stock shaft, but I have broken a few alloys on 33's. I have never broken a ring gear or a u-joint even when running alloys with 760s.

So again, why bother to spend all that money if I wasn't having problems? The biggest reason I did it was because of the inconvinience factor. I like to wrench on my rig in a nice shop, not on a dirty/rocky trail. I live driving my rig while on the few vacation days I am afforded, not wrenching on it. I like to allow the people in my group to have a good time wheeling, not watching me wrench on my rig. I want the people who travel thoudands of miles to run a trail the chance to run an obstacle without waiting for me to fix my rig. I want the guys who are wheeling with me to go wheeling again with me, not think twice about inviting me because I break all the time.

A properly set-up rig includes appropriate gearing and axle strength in relation to the tire size. If you are running huge tires on a stock drivetrain odds are you are using the large tires to compensate for the lack of ability inherent in a rig with a stock drivetrain. A stock drivetrain with huge tires is not condusive to driving easy. As you approach an obstacle rather than climbing over it the torque converter begins to slip and the rig stops, to continue moving you now require more throttle. As you increse the throttle the engine loads the torque converter until the point the rig now launches over the obstacle rather than traversing it in a controlled manner. Bad things happen at this point, you can't stay on the correct line, you slip off rocks and wedge yourself in a bad spot, you blow the beads on your tires. etc...

I understand wheeling on the cheap, but it is best to wheel with others who like to wheel on the cheap on lightly used trails close to home. Just because you CAN do something deosn't mean SHOULD be doing it.

For sure I don't take anything personal.... My wheeling to broken parts ratio over the years is great... I don't mind wrenching on it every once in a while... So far shaft wise it has been more reliable on 39.5's cuz less power to break.... There r only a few trails I have issues with cuz of a line being to tall for power.... Rubicon would if been no issue if I wasn't trying the harder lines on old sluice.... The caliper bolts breaking was random but the shaft was my fault for trying to wheel through a hard section with 3 tires... The trans issue I would say is cuz of the bellhousing bolts being loose.... I'm not sure why people r giving me crap for wheeling my junk how I want with what I want.... If anyone wants to say it doesn't work then you haven't been paying attention to my thread.... Soon 42's will be on this rig and will get to shut up more people... This junk has wheeled hammers to con and renos trail....
 
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For sure I don't take anything personal.... My wheeling to broken parts ratio over the years is great... I don't mind wrenching on it every once in a while... So far shaft wise it has been more reliable on 39.5's cuz less power to break.... There r only a few trails I have issues with cuz of a line being to tall for power.... Rubicon would if been no issue if I wasn't trying the harder lines on old sluice.... The caliper bolts breaking was random but the shaft was my fault for trying to wheel through a hard section with 3 tires... The trans issue I would say is cuz of the bellhousing bolts being loose.... I'm not sure why people r giving me crap for wheeling my junk how I want with what I want.... If anyone wants to say it doesn't work then you haven't been paying attention to my thread.... Soon 42's will be on this rig and will get to shut up more people... This junk has wheeled hammers to con and renos trail....

I just think your idea of "works" is different than most. There is a reason guys with big tires run big axles.
 
Re: El Junky

Im just jealous. I wish my wheeling to wrenching in Garage time ratio was as high as Allens...
 
El Junky

I just think your idea of "works" is different than most. There is a reason guys with big tires run big axles.

What's your idea? Why run bigger axles? Why lose ground clearance? Why spend the money? This jeep is to far gone for me to spend that kinda money on it... When I build another xj this winter ill do it correct axle wise so I don't get crap... And I'll break that also...
 
Re: El Junky

What's your idea? Why run bigger axles? Why lose ground clearance? Why spend the money? This jeep is to far gone for me to spend that kinda money on it... When I build another xj this winter ill do it correct axle wise so I don't get crap... And I'll break that also...

Its not about why don't you run bigger axles, it is more of a why even run such big tires, and then big tires on a full body rig? It certainly isn't for the Rubicon, or even Johnson Valley. I have run about 75% of the trails in JV on 33's without much issue at all. I have seen old CJs on 31's run through the con for years. The trails that REQUIRE 37"+ tires will eat your D30 (and mine too) alive. Just keep that in perspective.
 
El Junky

Its not about why don't you run bigger axles, it is more of a why even run such big tires, and then big tires on a full body rig? It certainly isn't for the Rubicon, or even Johnson Valley. I have run about 75% of the trails in JV on 33's without much issue at all. I have seen old CJs on 31's run through the con for years. The trails that REQUIRE 37"+ tires will eat your D30 (and mine too) alive. Just keep that in perspective.

It's more for trails in Reno area... And I break less on 39.5's compared to 33-35's... Jv was challenging for my rig on39's... Or at least what I ran...
 
El Junky

I'm not trying to get in a pissing match over this btw.... It's my thread and I wheel 39.5's on Dana 30/44 so get over it....
 
Re: El Junky

I'm not trying to get in a pissing match over this btw.... It's my thread and I wheel 39.5's on Dana 30/44 so get over it....


So much for not taking it personal. :wave:

I'm just throwing out some information. Your rig, your time, your money. Do with it as you will. :)
 
El Junky

So much for not taking it personal. :wave:

I'm just throwing out some information. Your rig, your time, your money. Do with it as you will. :)

Nothing personal at all man... It's the Internet...... Thanks for the info but I think my combo is just fine for my taste
 
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