crazy lady

[XJ Dreamin']

Wait a minute TRNDRVR. You can't just sit there eating popcorn. You had a hand in starting this thing (see posts 3, 5, etc., etc.).

Not without me, anyway.
Move over

 

[XJ Dreamin']

But is doesnt all tie together. The Bible doesnt even get the birth of JC right!

Sheperds in the fields in December? No, they would have been home.

The Roman census? Wasn't in the year JC was born.

Celebrating his birth? Nope, tradition was to celelbrate his death.

It has even been documented in Catholic doctrines, that Christmas was created to "facilitate the conversions of Pagans." This was because the Pagans had their Solstice celebration at that time of year.

I believe in God and Jesus Christ, but I will not call myself a Christian, the majority of you are dsigusting to me the way you dont respect others, and have closed minds. You say that evolution cant be because we were created in 7 days and all. Way to put human limits on an almighty God.

I'll laugh hard one day, when come to find out the the Earth was some forgotten algae farm of an alien civilization.

Olivedrab said it well. Just live your life well and good, and beleive wha youwant, and Dont Tread on Me.

I dont remember the quotee, nor the exact words, but have always believed in the saying:"I dont agree with waht you say or think, but I'll die to make sure you can say and think what you want."

Fergie

Ooh, ooh, ooh. Did anyone catch the Slaver reference?

 

[XJ Dreamin']

But is doesnt all tie together. The Bible doesnt even get the birth of JC right!

Sheperds in the fields in December? No, they would have been home.

The Roman census? Wasn't in the year JC was born.

Celebrating his birth? Nope, tradition was to celelbrate his death.

It has even been documented in Catholic doctrines, that Christmas was created to "facilitate the conversions of Pagans." This was because the Pagans had their Solstice celebration at that time of year.

I believe in God and Jesus Christ, but I will not call myself a Christian, the majority of you are dsigusting to me the way you dont respect others, and have closed minds. You say that evolution cant be because we were created in 7 days and all. Way to put human limits on an almighty God.

I'll laugh hard one day, when come to find out the the Earth was some forgotten algae farm of an alien civilization.

Olivedrab said it well. Just live your life well and good, and beleive wha youwant, and Dont Tread on Me.

I dont remember the quotee, nor the exact words, but have always believed in the saying:"I dont agree with waht you say or think, but I'll die to make sure you can say and think what you want."

Fergie

Of course, later the Pak protectors brought their breeders out but the virus wouldn't grow and voila, the Hominid line is born arty:

 

[XJ Dreamin']

Ah, come on. What happened. It's been over 14 minutes since anyone but me posted.





Helloooooo....







Anybody there?






Rats. All this popcorn is going to go to waste.

 

[againstherwill]

Nummy
My fault

 

[Pogiboy]

I think the talk has gotten away from what it was ment to be. We are not talking about religeons, we are talking about a loving God who sent His son to die for ALL of our sins.

And if we are too weakminded to accept responsibility and think for our selves, then how the heck did this country come into exsistance? You all forget that our founders Loved God with all of thier hearts. That is the very reason they came to the americas.

One day we will all face judgement. There is no avoiding it. And I am so excited to know that God loves me as his own. Its that joy that I wanted to share with everyone, I ddint want to turn this into an argument or debate that is only turning some of you off to Christianity. I am sorry for making this thread what it is.

I just want to ask how many of you beleive in an afterlife?

 

[TRNDRVR]

Wait a minute TRNDRVR. You can't just sit there eating popcorn. You had a hand in starting this thing (see posts 3, 5, etc., etc.).

Not without me, anyway.
Move over

I'm just watching and waiting and hoping it stays civilized enough that it doesn't get deleted. It's one of my favorite topics to debate!!! I'm also still trying to figure out where I've gone wrong all my life thinking I've been doing the right thing, and all along in reality I haven't.....:dunno:
Maybe I should get a hold of the mortgage companies I have my houses financed through and tell them I've been doing it all wrong and to wish them luck. :wierd:

Carry on!!!

 

[WesternXJ]

More worried about the names than the point.

*sigh*

Not even a little bit. And I pretty much agree with everything Againstherwill said.

Need a beer to go with my popcorn. Hey, where's the smiley? :rattle:

 

[XJ Dreamin']

I think the talk has gotten away from what it was ment to be. We are not talking about religeons, we are talking about a loving God who sent His son to die for ALL of our sins.

And if we are too weakminded to accept responsibility and think for our selves, then how the heck did this country come into exsistance? You all forget that our founders Loved God with all of thier hearts. That is the very reason they came to the americas.

One day we will all face judgement. There is no avoiding it. And I am so excited to know that God loves me as his own. Its that joy that I wanted to share with everyone, I ddint want to turn this into an argument or debate that is only turning some of you off to Christianity. I am sorry for making this thread what it is.

I just want to ask how many of you beleive in an afterlife?

Preaching in the sanctuary is easy. Preaching in the pub is more interesting. Which is more productive? Jesus preached wherever he happened to be. How many did not hear?

I applaud your zelotry, which is not a bad thing (within reason), but do not expect instant conversion. Especially with this lot :laugh3:

I saw only the promo for the show and the net nanny here won't let me open the link. There is an episode in Acts where some folks who had not accepted Jesus went to cast out some demons in his name. The demons said, "We know this Jesus, but who are you?" Then the demons fell on them and beat them soundly. A claim of rebuke in God's name means nothing. No one can tell God what to do: not even a christian.

Yes, I believe.

Back to my seat

whoops. wrong movie.

 

[stewie]

modern religion is great, only it is just that, modern. through the ages it has been molded and shapped by the hands of those who preached it in order to get more to join their flock. the erlier comment about the pagens, modern chiristianity was molded to make the transition from pagon to Christian easier and less of a "culture shock." i mean what does a bunny (pagon symbol of firtility) have to do with the resurection of Jesus? look at any modern religous holiday and the things associated with same, you will find a lot of pagon roots.

 

[ECKSJAY]

And if we are too weakminded to accept responsibility and think for our selves, then how the heck did this country come into exsistance? You all forget that our founders Loved God with all of thier hearts. That is the very reason they came to the americas.

Irrelevant. The founders' (not the Pilgrims, mind you) beliefs were predominantly Deist, which believed in a superior creative being...not the Christian 'God' or prophets. You misunderstood my point about responsibility. I didn't say that 'born agains' weren't irresponsible in general, I said that they could not fully own up to the fact that they did something wrong. They turn to an ancient parent being for mental dependence rather than an enhancement to their lives. Buck up and learn from your mistakes, don't rely on something else to keep you straight!

 

[DrMoab]

Just as you claim your beliefs, we claim these as ours!!! No name calling, just the facts as we see them.

I thought you didn't have any?

With all the talk of intelligent design I am surprised this hasn't been brought up.

Religion or lack there of is just like anything else. A small few are on one side a small few are on the other and most are in the middle.

I drive through the areas I like to wheel in and look around and to me...it just seems crazy to think that somehow it wasn't created by a higher power who has a plan for things.

I do not see though how this in anyway has anything to do with religion. From what I have seen in my life most wars are started over religion.
Muslims, Christians...whatever they are all just as guilty.

My biggest problem with most organized religion is the fact that they all make you feel guilty if you do not make them the most important part of your life and then turn around and extort money out of you.

I could be wrong but I think most religions were formed not by God loving people but by money hungry people who knew they could use God as a way to get money out of people.

Then on the other side of things...I feel sorry for people who don't believe in anything. I think we were programed to and people who don't are really missing something in their lives.

That being said...The most evil thing someone can do is to try and force other people to see there way about it. Even in the Bible it states that God gave us free will....If he really wanted us to all believe the same thing he wouldn't have made it so easy for us not to.

 

[TRNDRVR]

I thought you didn't have any?

I have beliefs, they're just not that of an inanimate being.

Then on the other side of things...I feel sorry for people who don't believe in anything. I think we were programed to and people who don't are really missing something in their lives..

So are you admitting that your "beliefs" were programmed into you? That's the ultimate act of succumbing!!!

You personally know me Ryan, what do you think I'm missing out on?

 

[TRNDRVR]

And to think, I live in Utah!!! :gag:

 

[red91]

Boy...I'm GLAD I missed out on this.

I thought this was a jeep club, not THEOLOGY class.

hasta

 

[TRNDRVR]

Boy...I'm GLAD I missed out on this.

I thought this was a jeep club, not THEOLOGY class.

hasta

Wrong answer Granma!!!

It's

 

[XJ Dreamin']

Irrelevant. The founders' (not the Pilgrims, mind you) beliefs were predominantly Deist, which believed in a superior creative being...not the Christian 'God' or prophets. You misunderstood my point about responsibility. I didn't say that 'born against' weren't irresponsible in general, I said that they could not fully own up to the fact that they did something wrong. They turn to an ancient parent being for mental dependence rather than an enhancement to their lives. Buck up and learn from your mistakes, don't rely on something else to keep you straight!

Ah, the pilgrims. I get a kick out of text book references to the pilgrims as seeking a place where they could be free to practice their religion. In fact, they were searching for a place where no pesky church hierarchy would interfere with their desire to impose there own religion on everyone else. Fortunately, the founding fathers created a government that prohibits imposition of beliefs. Of course, there is an awful lot of incidental, almost subconscious, bias toward christianity within the government. How many times has congress opened a session with a buddist cleansing? A couple of sacrificial chickens hanging from the speaker's podium might speed things along.

Uh oh. They sucked my in. DOWN IN FRONT! I don't want to miss anything.

 

[DrMoab]

what do you think I'm missing out on?

Its not so much that I think you are missing out on anything. I do not waste any time thinking about what I believe in or not..In the here and now I don't think that you are really missing out on anything.

I have known a few atheists though and most of them are scared to death of dying for the simple fact that they know that it's over then.

I think most people who believe in God take comfort in the fact that they have something to look forward to afterward.

Once again though on the other side of things...I think the Zealots are just as afraid because it has been beaten in their heads that they are all evil sinners and the problem with most organized religions is that you can never really attain that point when you have nothing to worry about.

 

[red91]

Wrong answer Granma!!!

It's

Dan...if I wanted and $_it outta you I'd squeeze your ears togehter....AGAIN !

 

[TRNDRVR]

Need a beer to go with my popcorn.