Cash for clunkers

FordGuy said:
Ecology is picking up all of our "clunkers" The only part of the vehicle that is being destroyed is the engine. The Dealer must drain the oil and put in 2 quarts of Sodium Silicate and run the engine at 2000 rpms until the engine is rendered inoperative. That is it. From the vehicles that we have, half of them should not be allowed to be driven anyway, and are no way safe. Good riddance to those piles of crap. Rest assured that all the parts less engines will be resold at the wrecking yards.
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Nice to hear that some of the parts are being recycled. I understand that a bunch of the cars in this program are pure junk, so the impact isn't as large as it could seem. Still, it's an expensive program for what's coming out of it, and it's a shame to loose a lot of pretty nice cars.

I have a friend who is considering trading in his '90's something Pontiac with 80k on it. Perfectly good car, well kept up, but not worth close to $4500. He's thinking about trading it under the program for a new car since he's 80 and thinks it might be nice to not worry about the old car, even though he never drives out of town anymore. Good thing for the dealership since he wouldn't have bought otherwise, but sad for a perfectly good car that someone could have used and a used car dealer won't get.


Rich, it must be fun though to pour liquid glass into the crankcase and let the motor blow up. That stuff is normally used to seal cracked heads and blown head gaskets. :)
 
"DISPOSITION OF ELIGIBLE TRADE-IN VEHICLES-
(A) IN GENERAL- For each eligible trade-in vehicle
surrendered to a dealer under the Program, the dealer
shall certify to the Secretary, in such manner as the
Secretary shall prescribe by rule, that the dealer--
(i) has not and will not sell, lease, exchange, or
otherwise dispose of the vehicle for use as an
automobile in the United States or in any other
country; and
(ii) will transfer the vehicle (including the engine
block), in such manner as the Secretary prescribes,
to an entity that will ensure that the vehicle--
(I) will be crushed or shredded within such
period and in such manner as the Secretary
prescribes; and
(II) has not been, and will not be, sold,
leased, exchanged, or otherwise disposed of
for use as an automobile in the United States
or in any other country.
(B) SAVINGS PROVISION- Nothing in subparagraph (A)
may be construed to preclude a person who is responsible
for ensuring that the vehicle is crushed or shredded from-
-
(i) selling any parts of the disposed vehicle other
than the engine block and drive train (unless with
respect to the drive train, the transmission, drive
shaft, or rear end are sold as separate parts); or
(ii) retaining the proceeds from such sale."

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AL BUNDY said:
(i) selling any parts of the disposed vehicle other than the engine block and drive train (unless with respect to the drive train, the transmission, drive shaft, or rear end are sold as separate parts); or(ii) retaining the proceeds from such sale.
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So how does that legaleeze come out to this cut and dry statement for thier web site? By Chrysler definition drivetrain includes internally lubricated components. See this is what I said about the government not being clear cut and we will have to wait to see what the "real" definition will be as with all legal crap. I don't think the answer is cut and dry.

cars.com said:
What happens to the vehicle I trade in?

The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.
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MJR said:
...but that they continue to spread mis-information by using a non-existant (sic) body code like LJ. It's a TJ folks let's get over it!
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Yes, you have me dead to rights: LJ is not an offical designation and I should have clarified it as an '04-'06 Wrangler Unlimited. There are lots of examples of this both within the Jeep world and beyond. Do you get the same image pop into your head if you hear Ferrari 365 GTB/4 as you do Ferrari Daytona? Only one of those was an official designation. It's like correcting someone's spelling on a forum, but I digress.:roll:

Al Bundy quoted the same thing I saw on the final CARS law. Yards can sell parts of the drivetrain (tranny, TC if 4x4, driveshaft(s), rear axle (if RWD) as long as they do it separately. Only the engine block itself cannot be resold. I doubt they are going to get too technical on that definition. FYI the final wording of the law is here:

http://http://www.cars.gov/files/CARS-Law.pdf


And for all of you that are worried about running out of parts, I have a VW that is 20+ years older than any XJ and parts are readily available. I'm sure you won't have too much trouble. If you're that paranoid, you should pick up every sub-$300 on Craigslist you can...:compwork:


jeeperjohn said:
What bothers me is when they crush classic cars that are rare and have potential to be restored and preserve a little automotive history.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! :cheers:
 
"What bothers me is when they crush classic cars that are rare and have potential to be restored and preserve a little automotive history"
The cash-for-clunker laws we already had that decimated the classic car population is the reason I do not like this idea. Almost all that's left is $10,000+ restored cars or basket cases that have been rusting away in somebody's backyard for 20 years. When's the last time you saw a 69 Charger on the street?
 
AP sources: Government to suspend 'cash for clunkers' program out of funding concerns said:
  • By Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer
  • On Thursday July 30, 2009, 9:25 pm EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government plans to suspend its popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases, congressional officials said Thursday.

The Transportation Department called lawmakers' offices to alert them to the decision to suspend the program at midnight Thursday. The program offers owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.
The congressional officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
A White House official said later that officials were assessing the situation facing the popular program but auto dealers and consumers should have confidence that transactions under the program that already have taken place would be honored.
Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which administers the program, declined comment.
Congress last month approved the Car Allowance Rebate System program, known as CARS, to boost auto sales and remove some inefficient cars and trucks from the roads. The program kicked off last Friday and was heavily publicized by car companies and auto dealers.
Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns about large backlogs in the processing of the deals in the government system, prompting the suspension.
A survey of 2,000 dealers by the National Automobile Dealers Association found about 25,000 deals had not yet been approved by NHTSA, or nearly 13 trades per store. It raised concerns that with about 23,000 dealers taking part in the program, auto dealers may already have surpassed the 250,000 vehicle sales funded by the $1 billion program.
"There's a significant backlog of 'cash for clunkers' deals that make us question how much funding is still available in the program," said Bailey Wood, a spokesman for the dealers association.
The clunkers program was set up to boost U.S. auto sales and help struggling automakers through the worst sales slump in more than a quarter-century. Sales for the first half of the year were down 35 percent from the same period in 2008, and analysts are predicting only a modest recovery during the second half of the year.
So far this year, sales are running under an annual rate of 10 million light vehicles, but as recently as 2007, automakers sold more than 16 million cars and light trucks in the United States.
Even before the suspension, some in Congress were seeking more money for the auto sales stimulus. Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., wrote in a letter to House leaders on Wednesday requesting additional funding for the program.
"This is simply the most stimulative $1 billion the federal government has spent during the entire economic downturn," Miller said Thursday. "The federal government must come up with more money, immediately, to keep this program going."
Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said they would work with "the congressional sponsors and the administration to quickly review the results of the initiative."
General Motors Co. spokesman Greg Martin said Thursday the automaker hopes "there's a will and way to keep the CARS program going a little bit longer."
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Reference:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-so...7.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
 
The oppositions finally got out of their chair and spoke up. The only thing we must do now is speculate and wait for the final outcome.

Who knows what will go down?

AP sources said:
"there's a will and way to keep the CARS program going a little bit longer."
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AP sources said:
"The federal government must come up with more money, immediately, to keep this program going."
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But for now, I'm content to hear such news. :thumbup:
 
I saw the sweetist black 98-99 XJ on the news. The engine was seized and then it was crushed and shreaded. :doh:
 
into what? alloy pics and combs for all the other idiots who supported him?
 
KEN THOMAS said:
House approves $2B more for 'cash for clunkers'

WASHINGTON – The House has voted to rush an additional $2 billion into the popular but financially strapped "cash for clunkers" car purchase program.
The bill was approved on a vote of 316-109. House members acted within hours of learning from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood that the program was running out of money.
Called the Car Allowance Rebate System, or CARS, the program is designed to help the economy and the environment by spurring new car sales. Car owners can receive federal subsidies of up to $4,500 for trading in their old cars for new ones that achieve significantly higher gas mileage.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said the new money for the program would come from funds approved earlier in the year as part of an economic stimulus bill.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House rushed Friday to pump $2 billion into a popular cash-for-clunkers program running near empty, with a leading Democrat saying "consumers have spoken with their wallets."
A floor vote was under way at midday on the bill to refuel the car-purchase program. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer had said earlier that the additional money would come from funds Congress approved earlier in the year as part of a $787 billion economic stimulus bill.
Hoyer, D-Md., said that at the request of House Republicans — whose approval was required for swift passage — the bill would include provisions for government auditors to make sure the money was being spent as intended.
Republicans argued that Democrats were trying to jam the legislation through.
House Minority Leader John Boehner said it was unclear how many Republicans would support on the plan.
"There are a lot of questions about how the administration administered this program. If they can't handle something as simple as this, how would we handle health care?" the Ohio Republican told The Associated Press.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the cars purchased under the program were much more fuel-efficient than what the bill requires.
But some lawmakers complained that many dealers were left to contend with a chaotic government-run program.
"The federal government can't process a simple rebate. I've got dealers who have submitted the paperwork three times and have gotten three rejections," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich. "What is a dealer supposed to do?"
There had been a $1 billion budget for rebates for new car sales in the program that was officially launched last week and has been heavily publicized by automakers and dealers.
Called the Car Allowance Rebate System, or CARS, the program offers owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle, in exchange for scrapping their old vehicle. Congress last month approved the plan to boost auto sales and remove some inefficient cars and trucks from the roads.
The Senate was not scheduled to vote on Friday but lawmakers hoped to win approval for additional funding next week.
Senate action is likely next week, making sure the program would not be affected by the sudden shortage of cash.
"Consumers have spoken with their wallets and they've said they like this program," said Rep. David Obey, D-Wis.
House members acted within hours of learning from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood that the program — designed to help the economy as well as the environment — was out of funds. Under the program, car owners can receive federal subsidies of as much as $4,500 if they trade in their old car for a new one that achieves significantly higher gas mileage.
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said the administration assured lawmakers that "deals will be honored until otherwise noted by the White House." But he suggested that "people ought to get in and buy their cars."
At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs sought to assure consumers that the program is still running and will be alive "this weekend. If you were planning on going to buy a car this weekend, using this program, this program continues to run."
Gibbs would not commit to any timeframe beyond that.
It was unclear how many cars had been sold under the program.
Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., said about 40,000 vehicle sales had been completed through the program but dealers estimated they were trying to complete transactions on another 200,000 vehicles, putting the amount of remaining funding in doubt.
John McEleney, chairman of the National Automobile Dealers Association, said many dealers have been confused about whether the program will be extended and for how long. Many had stopped offering the deals Thursday after word came out that the funds available for the refunds had been exhausted.
The clunkers program was set up to boost U.S. auto sales and help struggling automakers through the worst sales slump in more than a quarter-century. Sales for the first half of the year were down 35 percent from the same period in 2008, and analysts are predicting only a modest recovery during the second half of the year.
With so much uncertainty surrounding the program, North Palm Beach, Fla., dealer Earl Stewart said he planned to continue to sell cars under the program but would delay delivering the new vehicles and scrapping the trade-ins.
"It's been a total panic with my customers and my sales staff. We are running in one direction and then we are running in another direction," he said.
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Reference:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_go_co/us_cash_for_clunkers
 
Skullver said:
ride on, you traded in the XJ, see ya! Maybe we'll meet up on one of those cool honda forums.....NOT. :cheers:
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Many of us have more than 1 xj. Trade in 1 $1,000 xj for $4500+, but still have two more at home! The advantage of NOT working for $10 an hour.
 
NWPhotog said:
Many of us have more than 1 xj. Trade in 1 $1,000 xj for $4500+, but still have two more at home! The advantage of NOT working for $10 an hour.
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was that a failed attempt at a burn? :):):)

"Don't be sad, maybe it will get recycled into something useful."

This comment kind of riled me up a tiny bit, I'm well over it. My XJ is worth way more than $4500(3-4X?), as well as the 04 GC Limited and the Dodge 2500 4x4 CTD, so no prius for me:(
 
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