Ass-Hat police officers

DrMoab, My sentiments exactly! Seatbelt laws, for adults, are incredibly stupid. While I'm a firm believer in seatbelt usage, I certainly don't think it's the governments job to babysit me. I will, however, say that there certainly should be a law requiring children to be belted in.

All that said, we are stuck with seatbelt laws until the majority of voters decide enough is enough. I don't think the police were being "asshats" as they have a job to do and that job is to enforce the enacted laws. When I speed, I do so with the full knowledge that I'm breaking the law and if I'm caught, I'll be facing fines and increased insurance rates. Is the cop an "asshat" for pulling me over? No. I took a calculated risk and now must pay the price. I personally think it's a little much to pitch a fit over a $15 (or $45) ticket.

Oh well, that's just my opinion.

Pat
 
Yeah but do you really want to die in your car?

Not to mention do ya really think the cops wanna scrape your dead body off the road? Its backs up traffic and wastes even more money having to wash the blood and feces off the shovels. More cops have to come and divert traffic and clean up the accidents that happen from the slack jaws and rubber neckers when they rear end someone.

Not to mention laundering the white sheets that get blood soaked so the little kids dont see John and Jane Smucatelli mangled on the side of the road.

It not only saves like but it saves money. Our taxes go higher every time someone dies.


:D




On a side note were the cops wearing helmets? I bet the were doing doughnuts on the dirt roads when you left too.
 
0313 said:
Yeah but do you really want to die in your car?

Not to mention do ya really think the cops wanna scrape your dead body off the road? Its backs up traffic and wastes even more money having to wash the blood and feces off the shovels. More cops have to come and divert traffic and clean up the accidents that happen from the slack jaws and rubber neckers when they rear end someone.

Not to mention laundering the white sheets that get blood soaked so the little kids dont see John and Jane Smucatelli mangled on the side of the road.

It not only saves like but it saves money. Our taxes go higher every time someone dies.


:D




On a side note were the cops wearing helmets? I bet the were doing doughnuts on the dirt roads when you left too.


I'm not wild about dying in my vehicle (and I've been dead a couple times - so I should have a pretty good idea about this...) but I don't think it's the state's job to protect me from me - just from other people. I drive better than, probably, 90% of the rest of this state, and it seems to me that the standards in training and certification need updating more than seatbelt laws need enforcing.

I buckle my belt all the time, but I don't need to be told to, and I don't LIKE being told to. "That government governs best which governs least" - what wise man said that?

5-90
 
5-90 said:
I'm not wild about dying in my vehicle (and I've been dead a couple times - so I should have a pretty good idea about this...) but I don't think it's the state's job to protect me from me - just from other people. I drive better than, probably, 90% of the rest of this state, and it seems to me that the standards in training and certification need updating more than seatbelt laws need enforcing.

I buckle my belt all the time, but I don't need to be told to, and I don't LIKE being told to. "That government governs best which governs least" - what wise man said that?

5-90
Thomas Jefferson....I actually knew that. It was him, wasnt it?
 
5-90 said:
I'm not wild about dying in my vehicle (and I've been dead a couple times - so I should have a pretty good idea about this...) but I don't think it's the state's job to protect me from me - just from other people. I drive better than, probably, 90% of the rest of this state, and it seems to me that the standards in training and certification need updating more than seatbelt laws need enforcing.

I buckle my belt all the time, but I don't need to be told to, and I don't LIKE being told to. "That government governs best which governs least" - what wise man said that?

5-90

Just incase you think it's this dead guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

One of the most famous quotations attributed to Thomas Jefferson, "That government is best which governs least", was not from Jefferson at all.[12] The quotation actually came from Henry David Thoreau in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience.[13] Thoreau was paraphrasing the motto of The United States Magazine and Democratic Review, “The best government is that which governs least.”[14]

Henry David Thoreau
I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe— "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.
 
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5-90 said:
JFK, as I recall...

5-90

– John Kennedy said:
I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent and of human knowledge that has ever been gathered together at the White House – with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. – John Kennedy, 1962 dinner honoring Nobel Prize winners.
 

Thank you as well. As I said, my memory isn't what it once was.

Besides, I've been reserving "hat space" for Jeep things anyhow, since I'm mostly fed up with various politicians, and differentiating tends to take up memory space as well (I need a memory implant, or maybe download my mind, defrag it, and up it agiain...)

5-90
 
0313 said:
It not only saves lives but it saves money. Our taxes go higher every time someone dies.

That is why we have seatbelt laws! Good goin' Cody.

You're Ex-taskmasters should check this out!(jerks)

If it weren't for seatbelts, my parents would probably only have 5 of 8 kids left.(maybe)
 
I've been an Intern at the City and the Sheriff's department where I live at for the last year. I can see your frustration, but don't blame your ticket, seat belt or speeding, etc on the Officer/Deputy/Trooper. They are sworn to protect their community and enforces the laws at all levels.

Many of you get quite a few breaks and may not realize it. How many times do you go 55mph on a road that is marked 55mph. Probably not too many of you do (nor do I for that matter). Around here, an Officer ususally doesn't pull you over unless you are going 12+ mph above the limit. At the same time, if an Officer wants to write you a speeding ticket for a person doing 60 in a 55, they can and will do so. Whether you call this a "power trip" or just plain enforcing the law...you decide.
Same goes with the Interstate. In IL it is marked as 65mph but a majority of the people cruise around 80. When these people get caught they always say that they are "going with the flow and Why did you pick me out of the group to pull over?" Simple answer is that if it were possible, I'm sure they would be pulling over entire groups. One person at a time is all they can handle. (exception of speed traps)

My point is that if you don't like the seat belt law, or any other law, you better get used troopers (or whoever else feels it is necessary) issuing a ticket for the law that you continue to break. They are not the ones that make the laws, but are the ones that make a living enforcing the laws that they are sworn to upkeep.

Just my thought on it.
 
5-90 said:
...but I don't think it's the state's job to protect me from me - just from other people. I drive better than, probably, 90% of the rest of this state, and it seems to me that the standards in training and certification need updating more than seatbelt laws need enforcing.

I buckle my belt all the time, but I don't need to be told to, and I don't LIKE being told to...
5-90

your right, its not so much the states job to protect you from you, but from others. and you may very well be in the top 10% of drivers in CommieFornia. thats great, but it still leaves you with a good area for error, and more importantly a HUGE area for error of others. i dont worry about my or your driving, its just everyone else that i worry about hitting me!

im not a cop yet, but i still have helped scrape a dead guy off the interstate as a good sam until the uniformed folks arrived in fast cars, big trucks, a box van and a helo. just because the vics car rolled after being cut off, and the "hurt realy bad" guy and the dead en rout guy were ejected for not wearing belts, the state had to send out 4 utah highway patrol troopers, 3 fire rescue trucks, 3 ambulances (one spectator in shock from seeing that much blood and the human figure contorted so) and one life flight helo. sure, insurance pays for some, but not all of the states expences responding to people who put "their own lives in danger." not to mention responding to an incident is inherntly dangerous as it is- people like to cut off vehicles with flashing red and blue lights. if my wife gets hurt running code as an EMT to anyones accident scene because they didnt wear a seatbelt, i will seriously find and hurt that person.

as a former (military) and hopefully future (civilian) cop, people need to wake up and realize that its not just their own lives that they put in danger

rant off.
 
0313 said:
It not only saves like but it saves money. Our taxes go higher every time someone dies.
Since its always hard to tell if you are being serious or not...I am going to take a gamble and say you are.

If you feel this way do you also feel we should tax McDonalds for making us fat?

Sorry but laws protecting me from myself are not what this country is supposed to be about. Helmet laws, Seatbelt laws, and fast food laws(trust me they are comming) are just stupid. BTW I wear my seatbelt because I don't want to die in my car. It should be my choice though. If you want the government to tell you how to live your life move to China...or at least California.
 
DrMoab said:
Since its always hard to tell if you are being serious or not...I am going to take a gamble and say you are.

If you feel this way do you also feel we should tax McDonalds for making us fat?

Sorry but laws protecting me from myself are not what this country is supposed to be about. Helmet laws, Seatbelt laws, and fast food laws(trust me they are comming) are just stupid. BTW I wear my seatbelt because I don't want to die in my car. It should be my choice though. If you want the government to tell you how to live your life move to China...or at least California.


X2
 
stewie said:
your right, its not so much the states job to protect you from you, but from others. and you may very well be in the top 10% of drivers in CommieFornia. thats great, but it still leaves you with a good area for error, and more importantly a HUGE area for error of others. i dont worry about my or your driving, its just everyone else that i worry about hitting me!

im not a cop yet, but i still have helped scrape a dead guy off the interstate as a good sam until the uniformed folks arrived in fast cars, big trucks, a box van and a helo. just because the vics car rolled after being cut off, and the "hurt realy bad" guy and the dead en rout guy were ejected for not wearing belts, the state had to send out 4 utah highway patrol troopers, 3 fire rescue trucks, 3 ambulances (one spectator in shock from seeing that much blood and the human figure contorted so) and one life flight helo. sure, insurance pays for some, but not all of the states expences responding to people who put "their own lives in danger." not to mention responding to an incident is inherntly dangerous as it is- people like to cut off vehicles with flashing red and blue lights. if my wife gets hurt running code as an EMT to anyones accident scene because they didnt wear a seatbelt, i will seriously find and hurt that person.

as a former (military) and hopefully future (civilian) cop, people need to wake up and realize that its not just their own lives that they put in danger

rant off.

True. Entirely true. However, while there is a margin for error in my driving (I freely accept that,) I find it tolerably small, since I've also made an effort to take as much advanced driver training as possible (most of it in the Air Force,) and - out here, anyhow - I have noted that most drivers honestly shouldn't be. More annoying that they're doing stupid stuff, and have the nerve to get annoyed with me when THEY screw up! (Oh, the stories I could tell...)

I watch where I'm going, I try very hard not to be distracted while I'm driving (don't get me started on being on the 'phone WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING!) I carefully rig and secure all loads I carry (I've lost one, and I was taking measures to control damage once I noticed it was loose - and took action STRAIGHT AWAY to secure it again and make sure there wasn't anything left on the road!) and I was taught in Driver's Ed that, as a driver, I am responsible for all people within my vehicle as passengers, any load I'm carrying and how it may affect others, and responsible for my actions as they intersect with other people.

Driver's Ed out here, lately, is not even farcical enough to be a joke. Add to the fact that the California Driver's Test is written wrong (the "right" answers aren't even close!) and having incompetent instructors and incompetent examiners is NOT a recipe for competent drivers!

With me so far? I take seriously my responsibilities as a driver, and that seems to set me so far apart from other drivers out here that it just isn't funny.

I'm not a cop either - but I've seen my share of roads "incidents" (I have also found that most of them are not truly "accidents" in the proper definition) and helped clean up a few, and been First Responder to more than a few dozen. I've seen people get cleaned off the roadway with pressure washers, and sopped up with sponges. THIS is why I have so much trouble with incompetent drivers - I know what my "margin of error" is - while figuring out what the "margin of error" is for the typical California driver is something that I find to be a hole with no bottom.

Add in that the "typical" California driver drives like he's the only person on the whole damn road, and you can begin to understand my animus. Hell, I think most of them come from countries where a Schwinn is equivalent to a Mercedes, and cars are a rarity - AND that license examinations here are given in quite a few languages other than English (all the road signs are in English, all the cops speak English, and all the damn near everything else is in English. I'm not about to speak other languages - even if I COULD still remember them - here in my home country because someone else can't be arsed to learn mine...) and you've got accidents LOOKING for a place to happen!

So, what do you suggest I do, otherwise? I've got to stay out here for at least a couple more years, I'm in the middle of a few degrees right now...

5-90
 
DrMoab said:
Since its always hard to tell if you are being serious or not...I am going to take a gamble and say you are.

If you feel this way do you also feel we should tax McDonalds for making us fat?

Sorry but laws protecting me from myself are not what this country is supposed to be about. Helmet laws, Seatbelt laws, and fast food laws(trust me they are comming) are just stupid. BTW I wear my seatbelt because I don't want to die in my car. It should be my choice though. If you want the government to tell you how to live your life move to China...or at least California.

Do it for the kids?
 
0313 said:
Do it for the kids?
Don't get me wrong. I think anyone who doesn't wear their seat belts are stupid.

I just don't think its something that should be a law. I do believe in car seat laws and helmet laws for kids. Just because they don't know any better.
 
DrMoab said:
Don't get me wrong. I think anyone who doesn't wear their seat belts are stupid.

I just don't think its something that should be a law. I do believe in car seat laws and helmet laws for kids. Just because they don't know any better.

And you strike the nail squarely upon the head. I don't think seatbelt laws are in place so much for "public safety" as for "government funding." Just like most other infractions.

I don't see the moral issue at hand if I should happen to not wear my seat belt (my detached garage is in an alley behind my house. To return my vehicle to service from there requires driving it AROUND THE DAMN BLOCK to get back in front of my house - why do I need a seatbelt for that short trip? I can shoot farther than that!) but, since cops are around here all the damn time (I live between a couple delis at one end of the street, and a fire station at the other,) I wear the belt just so I don't get bothered. Apparently, California has gotten silly enough that I can be pulled over simply for NOT WEARING MY SEAT BELT, even though I'm doing 15 in a 25, and signalling all my turns and coming to compleat stops.

Am I missing something here?

5-90
 
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