Any Non religious people here?

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Darky said:
I'm not trying to debate the difference between our religion, I tend to separate and Christianity or LDS/Mormon/etc because if you sit down and look at it, the main beliefs between mainstream Christianity and LDS are rather different. You believe Christ to be separate from God, a created being, brother to Satan. I believe Christ to be God, a part of the triune being, creator of all, including Satan/Lucifer.




I believe you are saved by repenting and putting your faith in Christ; the works are simply an extension of ythe change that has taken place. You don't get to Heaven through works, but if you've truly given yourself over to Him, it should manifest itself through good works because you want to do what's right.

Obviously, we all have differing beliefs, and while I may get a bit heated when someone calls me a moron for believing, I'd still wheel with pretty much any of you, have a beer. We're all entitled to our beliefs, but if someone has legit questions, I have no problem sharing what I can. :D
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True, I believe that God is our Eternal Father, that Christ is his Son and the Holy Ghost is the guiding spirit in my life for good, which are all separate and distinct beings. I also believe that man was created in the image of God, which would not be possible if God was the compilation of 3 beings (trinity).

Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer of this world and is the center of our beliefs = Christianity.

We’re saying the same thing here…….repentance requires action = works. Good works are a result of following Jesus Christ and always trying to improve myself and help others.
 
Here you go Darky, while I don't begrudge you your beliefs, I've always had a problem with cherry picking and hypocrisy from religions. Please enlighten me. This is a e-mail that found its way to me.


Thou Shalt Sin No More

On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet:

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.
 
I'm pretty sure xDUMPTRUCKx is just trying to validate himself and be SO HARDCORE HIS CORE IS HARDCORE. :dunno: whatever dude, be however you want. You don't realize that your devout belief in disbelief is just as in-your-face and obnoxious as those on the other end of the scale, and you never will because... it has blinded you, just as their belief has blinded them to any other position. Never fails to amuse me when people don't realize they're just like those they bitterly oppose...

Can't we all just get along? You guys believe or disbelieve whatever you want to, I'll disbelieve and believe whatever I want to, and let's work on some Jeeps.
 
hiimmred said:
Here you go Darky, while I don't begrudge you your beliefs, I've always had a problem with cherry picking and hypocrisy from religions. Please enlighten me. This is a e-mail that found its way to me.


Thou Shalt Sin No More

On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet:

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
Your friend is only partially correct. Canadians cost to much, but Mexicans will work for next to nothing. It isn't slavery in the sense of 'owning' people as property, but slavery in the meager wages you pay them.

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? When your daughter gets married she becomes a slave to the unappreciative bum you call a son-in-law, making his dinner, washing his clothes, cleaning his house, bearing his children, etc. The difference between then and now is it costs you the price of a wedding instead of selling her.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. It's contact in the biblical familiar sense, not sitting next to her at the bar striking out yet again

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. This is because of one of two things. one you are grilling Tri-Tip and didn't invite them over or they vegans. If it's the later then of course they do not like the smell of your BBQ. Should I smite them? You should invite them over. Either share your Tr-Tip or grill them some eggplant

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? No do not kill him, the Ten Commandmants state "Thou Shalt not kill" The resting & not working the Sabbath is in place so you do not work yourself to death and you take time to enjoy your family. Remember this was written before Unions were successful in getting employees Saturdays off. The sabbath was the only day one was allowed to rest and recharge their internal batteries. Those that worked the Sabbath weakenedtheir own bodies and spirits and withered and died eventually.

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Shell fish are filter feeders. Enough said. Are there 'degrees' of abomination? Only to Dr Phil & Oprah. You don't watch them do you?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? There's wiggle room. This rule got put in place after one to many stubbed toes on the marble steps. Similiar to the Hot Coffee suits brought against McDonalds

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? A natural death

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? OK. Why do you think it's called Swine Flu. This was written as an early warning to future generations. Gloves during footbal - Jerry Rice did. A good rule of thumb is to wash your hands under water for 20 seconds once an hour.

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Yes get the town together and decriminalize marijuana, fire off a big fattie and have a good time Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) Anyone who sleeps with their in-laws will get burned soon enough, you don't need to assist

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.
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Couldn't help it.
 
LOL...I love Bible stories...."God" used to be so awesome....
 
Hiimred: We still read the OT, it is still important, however, we no longer live under the law. Christ fulfilled the law. Judgement for our sins will come after this life is over. And just to put it out there, if you read the Word and read what Jesus said and did, homosexuality is no worse a sin than thievery in the sense that if you die an unrepentant sinner you face the same judgment no matter your sins. All sins are forgivable except for denying God. God's grace and forgiveness are not an open invite to in as much as you want and then ask for forgiveness. You must actually repent. To repent you must feel remorse, realize and accept that what you did was wrong, ask for forgiveness and then turn your back on that sin. Doesn't mean you'll never do it again, but you should be striving against it.
 
I appreciate your response, I'm not inclined to disbelieve there is a God but I'm someone who needs tangible let me talk to it face to face and touch it kind of guy.

I heard a great line in Angels and Demons at the end when asked if he believed now..he replied that faith was a gift that had not been given to him yet. My issues are more with religion than with God.
 
My biggest hangup on christianity is hell. How can it exist? How can "GOD" sentence someone to an eternity of suffering for a mere lifetime of mistakes and then say that he loves them? The punishment does not fit the crime, especially if my crime is as simple as not believing in the unbelievable (virgin birth), but believing in the quite plausible(oops, don't tell dad I'm preggo. Women can indeed get pregnant and still have an intact hymen).

I'm not going to tell you that you are stupid for believing what you do, but what do you think it looks like to a non believer? Your god is 3 gods, but one god whom you are made in his image. He made everything, he was angry, he was vengeful and very childlike in the Old Testament. Then he impregnated some poor chick with himself, and constantly had to talk to himself out loud while he annointed himself and others with himself. Becoming a father completely changed his life even though he was his own son. He was no longer vengeful, no longer spiteful and jealous. He then performed miracles, but these you will only read about in a compalation of letters written by his closest followers. He was then killed, asked himself to forgive those who killed him even though he knew they were going to kill him by his own admission prior to them killing him. He then rose from the dead and sits at the right hand of himself, where we haven't heard from him since.

The LDS then adds this gem. He then appears to the american indians who were actually jews but they didn't know it and preaches to them, but they forget it all before we arrive but thankfully it was all written down in invisible ink on a rock in Utah. These jewels of knowledge were read from the inside of a hat using a rock as reading glasses by a guy who claimed communication with angels in the 1800's.


It's alltogether a collection of very unlikely stories which are easily attributed to man, man's greed, man's control, man's shame. But hey, it's your belief system and your money and you're entitled to it or to give it away. Just don't expect everyone to accept wild fairy tales as "truth" and "knowledge" and "salvation" because you do.
 
goodburbon said:
My biggest hangup on christianity is hell. How can it exist? How can "GOD" sentence someone to an eternity of suffering for a mere lifetime of mistakes and then say that he loves them? The punishment does not fit the crime, especially if my crime is as simple as not believing in the unbelievable (virgin birth), but believing in the quite plausible(oops, don't tell dad I'm preggo. Women can indeed get pregnant and still have an intact hymen).

I'm not going to tell you that you are stupid for believing what you do, but what do you think it looks like to a non believer? Your god is 3 gods, but one god whom you are made in his image. He made everything, he was angry, he was vengeful and very childlike in the Old Testament. Then he impregnated some poor chick with himself, and constantly had to talk to himself out loud while he annointed himself and others with himself. Becoming a father completely changed his life even though he was his own son. He was no longer vengeful, no longer spiteful and jealous. He then performed miracles, but these you will only read about in a compalation of letters written by his closest followers. He was then killed, asked himself to forgive those who killed him even though he knew they were going to kill him by his own admission prior to them killing him. He then rose from the dead and sits at the right hand of himself, where we haven't heard from him since.

The LDS then adds this gem. He then appears to the american indians who were actually jews but they didn't know it and preaches to them, but they forget it all before we arrive but thankfully it was all written down in invisible ink on a rock in Utah. These jewels of knowledge were read from the inside of a hat using a rock as reading glasses by a guy who claimed communication with angels in the 1800's.


It's alltogether a collection of very unlikely stories which are easily attributed to man, man's greed, man's control, man's shame. But hey, it's your belief system and your money and you're entitled to it or to give it away. Just don't expect everyone to accept wild fairy tales as "truth" and "knowledge" and "salvation" because you do.
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Hehehe.....still trying to prove God exists (or doesn't) with science....:banghead:

I know you were going for comedic value with the above summary......touchdown!!
 
“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church” -Ferdinand Magellan
 
I just had a another flashback...George Burns in the courtroom scene of the 1970's movie "Oh God" co-starring with John Denver.
 
DrMoab said:
“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church” -Ferdinand Magellan
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Garmin makes better gear..........
 
XJEEPER said:
Garmin makes better gear..........
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True, but putting your faith in in Garmin is dangerous. If you follow Garmin from my house with any destination programmed in, the first turn it tells you to take is through a ditch in the middle of a field almost a mile from the nearest crossroad. Once again I find myself using reason, logic, and trust in myself versus following what others tell me is true. Nasty habit of mine really, I should take to cutting cross country and blindly putting my faith in things that I am supposed to believe.
 
The great NAXJA theological debate continues...Meanwhile, a rabbi, priest, and a monk fail to agree on the off-road benefits of going with a front or rear locker first...
 
goodburbon said:
My biggest hangup on christianity is hell. How can it exist? How can "GOD" sentence someone to an eternity of suffering for a mere lifetime of mistakes and then say that he loves them? The punishment does not fit the crime, especially if my crime is as simple as not believing in the unbelievable (virgin birth), but believing in the quite plausible(oops, don't tell dad I'm preggo. Women can indeed get pregnant and still have an intact hymen).

I'm not going to tell you that you are stupid for believing what you do, but what do you think it looks like to a non believer? Your god is 3 gods, but one god whom you are made in his image. He made everything, he was angry, he was vengeful and very childlike in the Old Testament. Then he impregnated some poor chick with himself, and constantly had to talk to himself out loud while he annointed himself and others with himself. Becoming a father completely changed his life even though he was his own son. He was no longer vengeful, no longer spiteful and jealous. He then performed miracles, but these you will only read about in a compalation of letters written by his closest followers. He was then killed, asked himself to forgive those who killed him even though he knew they were going to kill him by his own admission prior to them killing him. He then rose from the dead and sits at the right hand of himself, where we haven't heard from him since.

The LDS then adds this gem. He then appears to the american indians who were actually jews but they didn't know it and preaches to them, but they forget it all before we arrive but thankfully it was all written down in invisible ink on a rock in Utah. These jewels of knowledge were read from the inside of a hat using a rock as reading glasses by a guy who claimed communication with angels in the 1800's.


It's alltogether a collection of very unlikely stories which are easily attributed to man, man's greed, man's control, man's shame. But hey, it's your belief system and your money and you're entitled to it or to give it away. Just don't expect everyone to accept wild fairy tales as "truth" and "knowledge" and "salvation" because you do.
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Best post in this thread....:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:
 
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