Any Non religious people here?

[tigerchief]

Great. Now we'll jump to a National Health care debate.

Right. That would be the "black or white" thinking I mentioned.

:roflmao:

 

[XJEEPER]

Great. Now we'll jump to a National Health care debate.

I had a Heinz dilemma today at lunch......green catsup or red.......what to do....what to do :dunno:

 

[tigerchief]

I had a Heinz dilemma today at lunch......green catsup or red.......what to do....what to do :dunno:

Good God, man! Nobody eats green catsup. It's only good for shampoo if your dog (not god) gets skunked.

:twak:

 

[XJEEPER]

Seriously, Heinz should have no dilemma.

He only needs to make his problem known in his community. I see people stepping up to help others in need all the time. Sometimes it's the donation of money to their need, often it's donated time to get a task completed. It really is a testiment to the "Light of Christ", conscience or what ever you prefer to call it. Helping others feels good, for both the giver and the receiver.

I've witnessed miracles that folks will spend years trying to explain with science and theory. I accept them for what they are.

 

[tigerchief]

I see people stepping up to help others in need all the time.

*GASP* You're not living in a socialist neighborhood, are you?

 

[cserou]

F*** National Health Care.

 

[tigerchief]

Bwahahahahahahhahah!

I don't give a sh!t about the issue of the day, but know when to laugh when the program on the agenda triggers off.

Your Jeep is less mechanical than most people, because it fails to complete what is expected of it some times, unlike programmable wetware (err, you know... people).

:shhh:

 

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

If you truely want answers, they are available. These are my beliefs that address your original question.

Let's look back to where it all began, in the premortal existence, or what we most commonly refer to as Heaven.

There was a conflict that took place in the premortal existence among the spirit children of God. In Rev. 12: 7 this is described as a war in heaven.

The war was primarily over how and in what manner the plan of salvation would be administered to the forthcoming human family upon the earth.
The issues involved such things as agency, how to gain salvation, and who should be the Redeemer.

The war broke out because one-third of the spirits refused to accept the appointment of Jesus Christ as the Savior. Such a refusal was a rebellion against the Father’s plan of redemption.

It was evident that if given agency, some persons would fall short of complete salvation; Lucifer and his followers wanted salvation to come automatically to all who passed through mortality, without regard to individual preference, agency, or voluntary dedication.

The spirits who thus rebelled and persisted were thrust out of heaven and cast down to the earth without mortal bodies, “and thus came the devil and his angels”.

The warfare is continued in mortality in the conflict between right and wrong; between the gospel and false principles, etc. The same contestants and the same issues are doing battle, and the same salvation is at stake.

Although one-third of the spirits became devils, the remaining two-thirds were not all equally valiant, there being every degree of devotion to Christ and the Father among them. The nature of the conflict, however, is such that there could be no neutrals, then or now Matt. 12: 30 .

holy shit its all the answers ive been searching for in once place!




nothing about that story in a book written by man makes a bit of sense.

if anything those passages youve quoted make me laugh. people believe that shit?

a war in heaven? god must really have his shit together, letting wars break out.

and godamn a 66% approval rating?

one third of his crew left him.

what a farce.

how about something that makes sense please.

 

[XJEEPER]

how about something that makes sense please.

That's a subjective request........you need to figure out for yourself what you're looking for.

 

[XJEEPER]

*GASP* You're not living in a socialist neighborhood, are you?

Hehehe, quite the opposite.......a community with strong Christian values.

 

[JNickel101]

You live in between Rev Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson?

:roflmao:

 

[XJEEPER]

You live in between Rev Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson?

:roflmao:

:scared: Meh......we're still talking about Socialists, are we?

 

[bigalpha]

How is it Cults like the Branch Davidians and The People's Temple are flashes in the pan, but religions such as Judahism, Christianity, Buddahism, Druidism,(sic-?) Wiccan & Islam last for centuries?

They drank the full-strength kool aid; the other religions have a half-strength mix.

 

[beakie]

holy shit its all the answers ive been searching for in once place!
nothing about that story in a book written by man makes a bit of sense.
if anything those passages youve quoted make me laugh. people believe that shit?
a war in heaven? god must really have his shit together, letting wars break out.
and godamn a 66% approval rating?
one third of his crew left him.
what a farce.
how about something that makes sense please.

I get the feeling your not looking for answers, more than you just want to refute the reasons people believe in what they do.
simply denying anothers beliefs doesn't make them not so. it not making sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, especially if your not willing to accept it, regardless of what someone posts.

many on here are debating points, pro's-cons or why-why not for their reasons for following, or not... you just seem to be saying "I know you are but what am I?"

 

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

if the bible were full of things that made i dunno, anything tangible true, then maybe it would be easy to believe.

but thats not even what im getting at, consider the following (and this is just from what people on here have responded to me)


the idea of a heaven that has wars?

1/3 of gods "angels" says screw you and cruising down to hell?

the idea that in "heaven" gods people choose to say to hell with him even though its a "heaven"




mind boggling.



here ill simplify it.


god created everything, including evil. there is no possible way you can deny that.

so how in the world can he be perfect?

god is evil if he created it.

I get the feeling your not looking for answers, more than you just want to refute the reasons people believe in what they do.
simply denying anothers beliefs doesn't make them not so. it not making sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, especially if your not willing to accept it, regardless of what someone posts.

many on here are debating points, pro's-cons or why-why not for their reasons for following, or not... you just seem to be saying "I know you are but what am I?"

 

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

I get the feeling your not looking for answers, more than you just want to refute the reasons people believe in what they do.
simply denying anothers beliefs doesn't make them not so. it not making sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, especially if your not willing to accept it, regardless of what someone posts.

many on here are debating points, pro's-cons or why-why not for their reasons for following, or not... you just seem to be saying "I know you are but what am I?"

odd enough i was big into christianity in my younger adult years.

read the bible front to back many times, went to bible college n shit.

i dont know if i consider that time a waste or not. my life was devoted to it. but i never was at peace, i tried very very hard.

i know none of you will have an answer. ive been looking for way too long and i know its not there.

 

[beakie]

i know none of you will have an answer. ive been looking for way too long and i know its not there.

thats the point I was trying to make, you have already made up your mind. even if someone provided you with answers, they wouldn't work for you, so trying would be silly. no sense is asking for answers your not willing to accept.

oh, and I am the last one trying to supply you with an answer, I'm non-religious, born and bred RC for 16 years, it never worked for me either.

 

[XJEEPER]

if the bible were full of things that made i dunno, anything tangible true, then maybe it would be easy to believe.

but thats not even what im getting at, consider the following (and this is just from what people on here have responded to me)


the idea of a heaven that has wars?

1/3 of gods "angels" says screw you and cruising down to hell?

the idea that in "heaven" gods people choose to say to hell with him even though its a "heaven"




mind boggling.



here ill simplify it.


god created everything, including evil. there is no possible way you can deny that.

so how in the world can he be perfect?

god is evil if he created it.

My purpose of posting on this thread is to simply clarify doctrine regarding my religion.

You are merging doctrine here. I know it's easier for you to dogpile if you only have one pile to jump on.

Beakie nailed you, you're not looking for answers. Dogging on others beliefs makes you somehow feel justified in your disbelief. Rock that, if it works for you. Doesn't change what I believe.

You are looking for that one scripture, that one verse, that one quote or speech that fills in all the blanks and provides 100% verification that there is a God. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.....it's not how this life works.

 

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

My purpose of posting on this thread is to simply clarify doctrine regarding my religion.

You are merging doctrine here. I know it's easier for you to dogpile if you only have one pile to jump on.

Beakie nailed you, you're not looking for answers. Dogging on others beliefs makes you somehow feel justified in your disbelief. Rock that, if it works for you. Doesn't change what I believe.

You are looking for that one scripture, that one verse, that one quote or speech that fills in all the blanks and provides 100% verification that there is a God. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.....it's not how this life works.

yes i know one small bit of truth, so hard to come by especially when quoting the bible.

 

[Darky]

"Mormons" is the nickname given to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint.........but you say they aren’t Christians?? Really? :scared:
I can see how the name "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" might throw people off and lead them to believe that the worship........oh, I don't know.....Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer and the center of my religion, always has been.


That being clarified, Darky, as Christians, we share much of the same beliefs. As for Satan's fall, it appears that you have stated a similar and summarized version of what I did.

Satan and Christ were both chosen spirit children of God. Satan’s plan took away freedom, choice and accountability, Christ’s did not.

Satan, and those that follow him rebelled against God and Jesus Christ and were cast out, without the ability to gain a body, but with the ability to influence those who followed Christ here on Earth.

The fact were are here on Earth is evidence that we followed Christ's plan in the pre-existence.

Satan and the spirits that followed him are present on the Earth to influence, tempt and torment those who made the choice to follow Christ and gained a physical body. They cannot have an influence in your life and your actions unless you invite and entertain the temptations they present. There is collateral effect to our actions.


Christ’s plan included Him coming to Earth to receive a body, to gain knowledge, to be tried and tested, and to ultimately take on or Atone for the sins of all mankind that ever was or ever will be born. He gave His life for us so that we could be saved.

While some Christian religions believe that we will be saved solely by the Grace of God (or Christ’s atoning sacrifice), I believe that we are “saved” or will attain a level of glory when we leave this mortal existence, by the Atonement AND by our good works.

I also believe that I will be held accountable for any sins that I may commit, but can also repent of these sins while alive through the Atonement, as part of the repentance process. This process does not involve money or payment, but action and accountability.

This process is:

1) Recognizing that a sin has been committed. If there is no admission of sin, then there is no repentance.
2) There must be a sincere regret for the sin committed, a feeling of regret for something terribly done.
3) The sincere regret should lead one to not repeat the sin.
4) Confessing the sin to God; confession releases the heavy burden of what has been done and allowing God to carry the burden.
5) Part of the repentance process is making restitution. Meaning, that as much as possible, making right any wrong that was done.
6) Forgiveness; 'God will not forgive us unless our hearts are fully cleansed of all hate, bitterness, and bad feelings against other people.
7) The repentance process is complete when the obedience to all the commandments of God are kept. A truly repentant person will have
a great desire to obey the laws of God.

Satan is the master of lies and deception. He has the ability to influence each of us, regardless of race or religion, if we allow it.


I believe that one of Satan’s greatest tools is to get you and me to become content to take the average road—to lie a little, to cheat a little, to take a little advantage because it’s the sort of thing that seems so common. "Hey, (insert name here) does it and he's a good person, so it can't that bad".........by this we are led, a little bit at a time “carefully down to hell”.

I'm not trying to debate the difference between our religion, I tend to separate and Christianity or LDS/Mormon/etc because if you sit down and look at it, the main beliefs between mainstream Christianity and LDS are rather different. You believe Christ to be separate from God, a created being, brother to Satan. I believe Christ to be God, a part of the triune being, creator of all, including Satan/Lucifer.

I believe you are saved by repenting and putting your faith in Christ; the works are simply an extension of ythe change that has taken place. You don't get to Heaven through works, but if you've truly given yourself over to Him, it should manifest itself through good works because you want to do what's right.

Obviously, we all have differing beliefs, and while I may get a bit heated when someone calls me a moron for believing, I'd still wheel with pretty much any of you, have a beer. We're all entitled to our beliefs, but if someone has legit questions, I have no problem sharing what I can.