2008 Superduty

i think i will stay with the dodge and Cummins Turbo Power!
 
Defintely not as good as the Cummins, but at least the International is better than the Isuzu Diesel in the Chevy.
 
OT said:
Defintely not as good as the Cummins, but at least the International is better than the Isuzu Diesel in the Chevy.
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ok u take a look on how many service bullatins are up for the ford international diesel, i belive over 200, chevy diesel has around 15, and the dodge cummins has 2.

now witch one is better?????????//:twak:
 
I dont really see why everyone hates on international. The local highschool is useing brand new International school buses. I've seen a lot of tow truck/flat beds that are International. A lot of the local car transport drivers[I work at a dealership] use Internationals to tow 3-4car trailers. And I've talked to them and they seem to have good luck with them. My dad is a Product Manager[i think thats his offical title] with International. I've watched a few of their training DVD's. I'd pimp a CXT.. But if I were to get a smaller diesel. I'd get a Cummins Ram.

My buddy has a 02 Powerstroke. He likes it and hasnt had any problems with it...

Also in the past Diesel mag, the Duramax was the fastest truck in thier little shotout. Put up something like a 12sec 1/4 mile. I'd take any of them. i just like the styling of the ram, and it looks easier to work on with it being a inline motor rather than a V.
 
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dbswede said:
I dont get the whole payment thing (except for my house) i have a 92 xlt and would like tto sell it.....is it penis envy or somthing..... 93 xj
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I hate payments too. However I hate having old junky vehicles that I can't trust also.

I thought long and hard about it before I bought my truck but I needed something that was going to get me there and back.
 
PstrKd4BrthCntrll said:
I dont really see why everyone hates on international. The local highschool is useing brand new International school buses. I've seen a lot of tow truck/flat beds that are International. A lot of the local car transport drivers[I work at a dealership] use Internationals to tow 3-4car trailers. And I've talked to them and they seem to have good luck with them. My dad is a Product Manager[i think thats his offical title] with International. I've watched a few of their training DVD's. I'd pimp a CXT.. But if I were to get a smaller diesel. I'd get a Cummins Ram.

My buddy has a 02 Powerstroke. He likes it and hasnt had any problems with it...

Also in the past Diesel mag, the Duramax was the fastest truck in thier little shotout. Put up something like a 12sec 1/4 mile. I'd take any of them. i just like the styling of the ram, and it looks easier to work on with it being a inline motor rather than a V.
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ok first of all, a 3 ton international is way different because it has an inline 6 cyl, whitch has proven itself over the past 15 years, now the V8 powerstroke, is a whole diff motor, its only a few years old, and nothing like the older powerstrokes. And did u know that Ford sued International because the diesel had so many problems?

And the cummins in the dodge 1 ton is a scaled down version of the cummins they use in the big rigs, and u know they go for miles, and miles.
 
jeepdude10000 said:
ok first of all, a 3 ton international is way different because it has an inline 6 cyl, whitch has proven itself over the past 15 years, now the V8 powerstroke, is a whole diff motor, its only a few years old, and nothing like the older powerstrokes. And did u know that Ford sued International because the diesel had so many problems?

And the cummins in the dodge 1 ton is a scaled down version of the cummins they use in the big rigs, and u know they go for miles, and miles.
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We have some International semi's at work and they are a pile of trash. The fit and finish is horrible on them. They don't even finish the edges on the plastic pieces when they cut them out of the mold.

Right from the factory they rattle and shake.

Like I have said before. Tractor companies should make tractors...not trucks.
 
DrMoab said:
I hate payments too. However I hate having old junky vehicles that I can't trust also.

I thought long and hard about it before I bought my truck but I needed something that was going to get me there and back.
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I traded in my '01 PoSD F-250 (with over 250,000 miles, a shakey idling 7.3, a spewing trans, and an intermittant a/c) for a more trust worthy '05 CTD 2500 with only 25,000 on the ticker.
The Dodge is ten times the truck than the Ford.
The ride is better, it's much quieter, the power is far and away superior to the Ford or Chevy of the same year, and I get better milage to boot, AND my payment is less.
What I don't understand is, why, if Ford couldn't even get the bugs worked out of the 6.0, would they make plans to build a different engine with a whole new set of bugs to work out?
I guess it's because they weren't keeping up with Dodge.
 
OT said:
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I traded in my '01 PoSD F-250 (with over 250,000 miles, a shakey idling 7.3, a spewing trans, and an intermittant a/c) for a more trust worthy '05 CTD 2500 with only 25,000 on the ticker.
The Dodge is ten times the truck than the Ford.
The ride is better, it's much quieter, the power is far and away superior to the Ford or Chevy of the same year, and I get better milage to boot, AND my payment is less.
What I don't understand is, why, if Ford couldn't even get the bugs worked out of the 6.0, would they make plans to build a different engine with a whole new set of bugs to work out?
I guess it's because they weren't keeping up with Dodge.
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the new ford diesel is based on the old va they used before, whitch is more reliable.





DrMoab said:
We have some International semi's at work and they are a pile of trash. The fit and finish is horrible on them. They don't even finish the edges on the plastic pieces when they cut them out of the mold.

Right from the factory they rattle and shake.

Like I have said before. Tractor companies should make tractors...not trucks.
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ok i did not say the cab was any good on the "thirteen letter shit speader", i just said that the inline 6's are quite reliable, not as much as "cat" but good for the price.
 
Okay, that's twice in one thread.

It's which=which, not witch.

:)


Oh, and I don't remember twin turbos on the old 7.3.:dunno:
Just more sh*t to work the bugs out of.
 
jeepdude10000 said:
ok i did not say the cab was any good on the "thirteen letter shit speader", i just said that the inline 6's are quite reliable, not as much as "cat" but good for the price.
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Don't have any experience with International inline six's.

Most of ours have Cummins in them.
 
I drive a 2000 Model International 4700 at work its got the DT466E and alison auto. One reason the DT466 is a long lasting motor is because its the size of a couch and only has 235hp and 600ish tq. It got main bearings at 100K because they were worn so bad the rear main would not seal! Barfed a head gasket at 110K as well. It does work hard with a full load of batteries it does wiegh right at 33K but thats what its rated for. On another note we have a 04 Kenworth with a Cat I-6 of the same HP and its a total POS as well, burns oil like it has 1 mil on the clock and doesn't start for shit in the cold, and this is OK it doesn't get that cold.

The PSD is a decent motor but that injection setup sucks, where oil pressure is what runs the injectors. Oil changes are very very critical or they run like shit. Notice all the old wreckers and such always sound like they idle on seven cylinders, most likely from lack of maintenence. The CAT motor and the DT466 we have at work both use this same style of injection, and they have both had injectors put in them in under 200K. The CAT got 2 complete sets of injectors in 3 weeks.

I have 2 dodge cummins trucks and love them :) one has 303K miles on it, I paid $900 for it and its awsome. Starts in like 1/2 revolution everytime.

Ford gets twin turbos in 2007 and The cummins in the dodge goes to 6.7 litres. 2007 is a tight emisions year for diesels.
 
BlueCuda said:
One reason the DT466 is a long lasting motor is because its the size of a couch and only has 235hp and 600ish tq.
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I just pulled the specs on the Signature 600 motors we are running in our supersets.

600 HP at 2000 RPM and 2050 Ft-Lbs of Torque.

:D Sure brings a smile to my face when I have 128,500 Lbs strapped on behind me.
 
My Dad has a 99 3500 with the cummins TD and I way perfer it to the puke strokes we have at work. not to mention all the breakdowns we have had with the fords. (one 02 f-350 has had 6 trannys in less than 100,000 miles)
 
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