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Tax and spend, or borrow and spend.......
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TunaSoda
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Downsize the government
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X2TunaSoda said:
I won't be drawn in by a biased poll.
:roflmao:
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TRNDRVR said:
That is the mentality that neither the left nor the right seems to be able to adhere to.
JNickel101
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Because Americans are lazy (as a whole) and expect the Fed government to provide them with everything. Therefore, government gets elected on those principles and believes its their job to provide us with everything - whether we need/want it or not.
I'm sick of paying for Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security - which I will never use OR need. Yet I'm forced to pay into it.
I'm sick of paying for Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security - which I will never use OR need. Yet I'm forced to pay into it.
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Too True!TRNDRVR said:
Wanna buy/refi a house?
Ray H
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JNickel101 said:
Im ok with paying into it. The idea behind those programs is a good one and well worth funding, the problem with them is in how they are administered. Id like to see these programs continued, but they need to be revamped so they work. They are like nearly everything the government does. Someone starts out with a worthwhile idea but by the time its put into motion, its so diluted and everyone has their grubby hands in it, that its not the same program it started out to be.
JNickel101
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I must not understand the idea behind the programs then....
EDIT: I should clarify - I know who they go to. What I don't understand is why socialistic programs like this are allowed to exist. I'm paying someone else's medical bills for no reason what-so-ever. What am I being punished for?
EDIT: I should clarify - I know who they go to. What I don't understand is why socialistic programs like this are allowed to exist. I'm paying someone else's medical bills for no reason what-so-ever. What am I being punished for?
Ray H
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Those programs you listed are all basically designed to help our elderly and those who cant take care of themselves. In principal, Im good with that. I pay some in today so that tomorrow, when I need SS or Medicare, someone else is paying in for me. The alternative is to ship them away, let them die or kill them. considering that one day, you and I will be one of them, I think Im glad to have those programs around.
scottmcneal
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Social Security, the government took all that money... Just like they always do... TAKE TAKE.. WE want more, just like a cookie monster
Ray H
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scottmcneal said:
Im not saying the current system works, Im saying that the principal is good.
JNickel101
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Ray H said:
Thats just the thing - military retirement provides me with a pension, and with medical care for the rest of my life....I have no use for SS/Med - yet I'm still forced to pay for it.
I just believe that you shouldn't be FORCED to pay for it. If you don't pay in, then you can't claim you want it later. Plain and simple.
JNickel101
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Ray H said:
In principal, its things like this that made America what it is today - a society completely reliant on the government to take care of their every need.
scottmcneal
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True, they just keep taking.... They need to look at what they are doing to this country... We pay alot in taxes, they want more....DEM & REP..
8Mud
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Ray H said:
Something to think about, in fifty years the cost of living has gone up around 300% or more. So in effect you have to save three dollars today to have one at retirement. You can invest your money, sounds good, except the vast majority of investments actually fall points behind inflation. You are still loosing, just loosing less. For every investment that makes money, many loose money (actually most) in real dollars.
The way the social security system works now, is the more you pay in the more you get out. Sounds reasonable, but thinking about it for a minute tells you the people that are lucky enough to succeed, get the most out of the program. In other words, those that may need it the least get the most.
The social security system is a joke, the government has loaned the money to themselves on numerous occasions and then out right spent it on other occasions. They've actually spent the same social security fund several times over.
Ray H
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You say it like its a bad thing. I think a government that takes care of its people is what we were shooting for a couple hundred years ago.JNickel101 said:
The only purpose of the fed government is to take care of its people. The problem now is that it has become too large and it feeds off itself.
I have no problem paying into the government if later down the road, it takes care of my every need. Thats the point of it.
