spartan locker problem... video inside

[DualSportDad]

without a doubt.

 

[DualSportDad]

Is it possible to put the pin/ shaft back in if one of the spacers is in backwards? Going over the install in my head I did originally have the spacers in backwards. I guess its slightly possible when I pulled it back apart I only turned one around. But my gap was correct.

 

[DualSportDad]

Now that I look at my pictures can clearly see the part is not seated against the carrier. Only thing it could be is I put the spacer in backwards.

 

[deucestudios]

did you leave the installing pin in, or maybe I just need glasses.

 

[DualSportDad]

Re: Re: spartan locker problem... video inside

did you leave the installing pin in, or maybe I just need glasses.

Right side of the pic you can see the part isn't seated flush with the carrier like the left side is.

 

[deucestudios]

I'm not talkin about that. you can't really see where that hits the carrier anyway cause of the shape of the opening in the carrier.
I'm sayin for the install they give you those little pins that you put in to hold the springs down. of the 2 holes you can see in that pic, it looks like theres something in the lower one. or maybe I'm just seeing things.

 

[jeeperjohn]

As I recall, I don't think it is possible to install the cross shaft if the spacer is in backwards.

 

[VAhasnoWAVES]

i dont recall it being possible on my aussie either.

may be a little late to ask now that the carrier is out, but what kind of diff cover do you have and how much fluid was in there? most aftermarket ones will take a lot more than the OE ones, or the FSM calls for.

 

[DualSportDad]

Carrier is still in the axle.. Cover s stock. I took the cover back off and checked everything. Everything is assembled correctly..rechecked the gap with a different caliper... .147. I took some pictures that I'll upload after I shower.. The blocks are not center with the diff pin.

 

[RWKHausSupply]

Some common issues that create issues with a Insert locker (not just a spartan).
Brake drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Transfercase - either drag on the driveshaft or in the TC will cause it to try and lock.
Unit bearing drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Bent Housing - Axle is in side gear and clocking it so that its not true to the cam gear - causes the locker to try and lock.
Tire size - creates a locker that needs to ratchet consistently, and malfunction, if not Exactly the same size/brand/and air PSI.

Just some fast thoughts...

 

[DualSportDad]

Pk here's so e random photos. It looks to me like the blocks are not centered over the diff pin. Not sure if that matters or not but when I spin the wheel and it locks up it is the drivers side engaging and disengauving that are causing the problems.

On to the random pics... Please excuse my spelling mistakes I'm posting from my tablet.

 

[DualSportDad]

Re: Re: spartan locker problem... video inside

Some common issues that create issues with a Insert locker (not just a spartan).
Brake drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Transfercase - either drag on the driveshaft or in the TC will cause it to try and lock.
Unit bearing drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Bent Housing - Axle is in side gear and clocking it so that its not true to the cam gear - causes the locker to try and lock.
Tire size - creates a locker that needs to ratchet consistently, and malfunction, if not Exactly the same size/brand/and air PSI.

Just some fast thoughts...

Axle is straight, no brake drag... As you can see from the video, both tires are new, same brand and psi, last year I had to do tube seals and axle u joints and found that the preload was too much so I replaced the diff bearings and reset the preload.... No bearings are dragging.

I believe that the locker itself was made wrong. I don't like how the blocks don't sit center with the diff pin. I'm not sure how important that is tho since I can't seem to talk to anyone at Yukon and even after leaving a message they won't call me back. This is bad customer service on their part.

 

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

Axle is straight, no brake drag... As you can see from the video, both tires are new, same brand and psi, last year I had to do tube seals and axle u joints and found that the preload was too much so I replaced the diff bearings and reset the preload.... No bearings are dragging.

I believe that the locker itself was made wrong. I don't like how the blocks don't sit center with the diff pin. I'm not sure how important that is tho since I can't seem to talk to anyone at Yukon and even after leaving a message they won't call me back. This is bad customer service on their part.

I personally would call randys ring and pinion, Even if thats not where you bought it.. they might help you climb up the chain to rear customer service:cheers:

 

[DualSportDad]

Re: Re: spartan locker problem... video inside

I personally would call randys ring and pinion, Even if thats not where you bought it.. they might help you climb up the chain to rear customer service:cheers:

Really, they would do that?

 

[DualSportDad]

Well I just called Yukon again for the millionth time and decided to start trying extension numbers. Found that all their extensions are 4 digit and 555x will get you to a extension. After dialing a ton and just getting voicemail I dialed 5554 and told the guy I needed tech help and he transferred me to another voicemail... . Randy's pinion and axle. Kinda weird. But now I have left them a detailed message as well.

 

[MaxxXJ]

Some common issues that create issues with a Insert locker (not just a spartan).
Brake drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Transfercase - either drag on the driveshaft or in the TC will cause it to try and lock.
Unit bearing drag - causes the locker to try and lock.
Bent Housing - Axle is in side gear and clocking it so that its not true to the cam gear - causes the locker to try and lock.
Tire size - creates a locker that needs to ratchet consistently, and malfunction, if not Exactly the same size/brand/and air PSI.

Just some fast thoughts...

Very likely causes, I have a auto locker in my rear, my spare was a ltb, my other 4 were pro comps, the size difference was almost an inch, I got a flat on the trail and instantly I noticed the locker constantly ratcheting and sometimes engaging randomly, I had to stop and switch out my front for the rear to get it to quit.

 

[RWKHausSupply]

Well I just called Yukon again for the millionth time and decided to start trying extension numbers. Found that all their extensions are 4 digit and 555x will get you to a extension. After dialing a ton and just getting voicemail I dialed 5554 and told the guy I needed tech help and he transferred me to another voicemail... . Randy's pinion and axle. Kinda weird. But now I have left them a detailed message as well.

Randy's owns Yukon and USA standard that is why you get through to Randy's ring and pinion when you call Yukon or USA standard and don't get the yukon or USA standard extension.

the dealer that you bought your locker from should be dealing with your concerns that is why there is no real Yukon or USA standard tech lines because all of us dealers of their products are your tech assistants.

when you buy something of theirs from private party or not an authorized dealer you get what you get and that is no tech assistance basically. Rrp is getting out of retail sales and letting us dealers sell and assist to our customers

 

[RWKHausSupply]

This is bad customer service on their part.

well I hate to say it but the Spartan locker has nothing to do with Yukon its a USA standard item. Yes yukon and USA standard are owned by randys ring pinion also known as RRP.

unless you bought it used you should be calling who you bought it from not the manufacture manufacturer tech asistance is the person you bought it from.

 

[DualSportDad]

I got the kit from a friend that never put it in his jeep. It was new sealed package.... Nothing was opened. He bought it in 2011, I have the receipt but doubt the place is going to help me much.

This is a spartan product, I feel that the company should be the one to assist me. Esp when the component has failed. I don't see why the retailer should be responsible.

 

[RWKHausSupply]

I got the kit from a friend that never put it in his jeep. It was new sealed package.... Nothing was opened. He bought it in 2011, I have the receipt but doubt the place is going to help me much.

This is a spartan product, I feel that the company should be the one to assist me. Esp when the component has failed. I don't see why the retailer should be responsible.

that's almost like buying a Chevy truck from somebody that let it sit in thier driveway or lot for two years and never drove it and then calling GMC or Chevrolet and tell him you have a problem with a transmission . You need to go back to the dealer where you bought it or the person you bought it from.

The odds of you having one in about 200000 Spartans that is manufactured wrong is extremely rare.

I will say there was one bad batch of Spartans made that was only a select few in the batch this was about two years ago but they only have a one year warranty on it and it's not their fault it was never installed or used and the warranty ran up.
as for cups not lining up on the cross shaft I don't understand what you're trying to reference but if its what I think it is pull it apart and switch around the two side gears and see if the cups now are opposite if anything it's probably your carrier that is manufactured wrong not the Spartan.