Shotgun, stock or no stock?

[mcantar18c]

I've seen them for sale on a local gun forum, they look awesome for an XJ or toolbox gun.

I was thinking about getting one for EDC in the Jeep (or whatever I'll be driving next month lol). Making a mount for it on the pass side of the trans tunnel/center console with the handle right at the top, easy access whenever you need it.

 

[AIbandit]

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/shotguns-home-defense?page=1
cheaper than dirt had this in their news letter today. It has some good info, I really recommend taking a good class. Not like your redneck gun salesman's class. A good NRA or better class.

 

[xcm]

Funny, when I patterned my 12ga (pictured above) at 10yds it was about 9". Measure that out sometime. When you consider that there are 27 pellets in a #4BK shotshell and you want the maximum amount of pellets to hit the target, it's really easy to miss at even closer ranges.

Many of the internet commandos have visions of hip firing and magically clearing the hallway, knocking a perp backward out the window with one shot...alternating between buck and slug because there's an apparent script involved. You people have NO place offering advice in this area, just as you'd jump on someone in a tech forum for speculating tech advice.

OP, go get some formal training and resist the whitetrash bandwagon.

go back to nam rambo, he asked about home defense, not taking over a small country. just because people havent been thru the same training as you, doesnt mean their opinion is worthless. if we fallowed your logic, nobody would be allowed to post in mod tech, as few have been thru fabrication school, and got certified as a welder.... LOL

 

[AIbandit]

Preventing training scars doesn't mean you want to fight a war. It means you want to be tactically efficient in what ever engagement you end up in.
If you want to be as experienced as the guy invading your house be my guest.
Personally I don't want a fair fight.

 

[AIbandit]

if we fallowed your logic, nobody would be allowed to post in mod tech, as few have been thru fabrication school, and got certified as a welder.... LOL

This is particularly amusing, Great comparison.

 

[FlexdXJ]

Either way you go, check out the reduced recoil rounds. I got to shoot those at a gun owners forum meet and greet and they are so much more manageable. I personally use a pistol for home protection but I would get the Remington 870 with the adjustable stock. I have seen them for around $500 and you can't beat the reliability of an 870!

 

[AIbandit]

he asked about home defense, not taking over a small country.

I thought I was done with this post but holy shit this is just too much.


You're right its just home defense, it's just your wife's life your child's life and your own life. No need to be proficient.

Did you even boot up one braincell before trying to insult him?

 

[FlexdXJ]

go back to nam rambo, he asked about home defense, not taking over a small country. just because people havent been thru the same training as you, doesnt mean their opinion is worthless. if we fallowed your logic, nobody would be allowed to post in mod tech, as few have been thru fabrication school, and got certified as a welder.... LOL

Wonder how we would end up if we used your logic......

 

[Darky]

I think one thing that's been overlooked is to go out and fire an example of each if possible. Best way to figure which one is most comfortable is to fire it and see, especially if you've never fired a 12ga. They got some pretty decent recoil.

 

[FlexdXJ]

I think one thing that's been overlooked is to go out and fire an example of each if possible. Best way to figure which one is most comfortable is to fire it and see, especially if you've never fired a 12ga. They got some pretty decent recoil.

Yes they do, even with reduced recoil rounds they pack a punch!

 

[iwannadie]

I think one thing that's been overlooked is to go out and fire an example of each if possible. Best way to figure which one is most comfortable is to fire it and see, especially if you've never fired a 12ga. They got some pretty decent recoil.

I've fired plenty of 12 gauge and like I said I have a beast of a rifle in 7.62x54r that is well known as the shoulder buster. Just I've never fired a pistol grip without a stock. I've fired traditional shotguns from the hip before. I don't know anyone with that particular shotgun that would allow me to go shoot it.

Recoil of a traditional shotgun in any type of load is no cause of concern for me. I think for me having read and talked to a lot of people having the pistol grip stockless shotgun is still cool but it will be just a toy not a HD weapon. I may end up owning the breaching gun at some point but it would not be my go to weapon for a bump in the night. Zombies, yes.

 

[Ralph]

Find yourself a good Mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel for hunting and clay pigeons. Buy yourself a 20" barrel for home defense use. Pattern the gun with both barrels. ECKSJAY is right. At close distances, even with a cylinder bore, the size of your pattern is not as big as you would think. You can miss. Skeet shooting is great practice for both hunting and home defense. As a shotgun is not aimed but pointed, it teaches you to mount the gun and shoot where you look. Shooting clay birds is a lot of fun. So is bird hunting. Welcome to the world of shotgunning. It's a blast.

 

[ECKSJAY]

go back to nam rambo, he asked about home defense, not taking over a small country. just because people havent been thru the same training as you, doesnt mean their opinion is worthless. if we fallowed your logic, nobody would be allowed to post in mod tech, as few have been thru fabrication school, and got certified as a welder.... LOL

I never claimed to be an expert, nor did I say that the contributors to the tech forums were experts. The $5 word I used was 'speculating'. By that, I meant that someone with practical experience is going to have greater input on a topic than someone who has never done it, or has only seen it done by special effects in the current Hollywood trash.

So yeah, lighten up. I didn't say what you think I said.

 

[msrorysddad]

Sorry to chime in, and this is only my opinion, which counts for just that.
a .410 shotgun is plenty for "home defense". Lower recoil, means your family, wife, kids can defend themselves when you are not around.
The probability of a missed shot has been pointed out. A missed 410 round will be less likely to penetrate walls and cause collataral damage. You are making a lot of noise and destruction in a confined area. I keep a 410 "coach gun" (double hammer, trigger) available for defense. A mossberg 500 series 410 loaded with some defense rounds is light, easy to use and, small, a great weapon for keeping the zombies out of the dining room. Just throwing out options,the more options, the more confusion, just here to help

 

[stewie]

well you are going to hate life trying to shoot skeet with a pistol grip and the short home security barrel. Some mossberg 500s come with both the short home security barrel and the longer barrel. Not sure the length on them both because im not a mossberg guy. But my personal opinion is that i dont like the way the pistol grip without the stock handles but thats my opinion. ...I also have another 870 with an ar style collapsible pistol grip with the stock and love it but you already said you dont like those. . but a skeet shooting gun and home security gun are 2 totally different types of guns. But if you get all the right accessories, switching from one to another will only take 10 to 15 mins when you want to take it out and shoot some clays.

I have a Mossy 500 with the two barrels. the 18.5" barrel stays on it except for bird season when the longer 26". Though when a long day of dove hunting, i get an occasional jam that requires rodding the barrel to get the spent shell out. it seems to happen with winchester x ammo.

oh, and changing the stock is as simple as a single screw. a spacer may be needed for some aftermarket stocks but is usually supplied.

I've fired plenty of 12 gauge and like I said I have a beast of a rifle in 7.62x54r that is well known as the shoulder buster. Just I've never fired a pistol grip without a stock. I've fired traditional shotguns from the hip before. I don't know anyone with that particular shotgun that would allow me to go shoot it.

Recoil of a traditional shotgun in any type of load is no cause of concern for me. I think for me having read and talked to a lot of people having the pistol grip stockless shotgun is still cool but it will be just a toy not a HD weapon. I may end up owning the breaching gun at some point but it would not be my go to weapon for a bump in the night. Zombies, yes.

both my Mossberg 500 and my 870 kick more with 00 Buck and slugs than both my mosin nagants (7.62x54R one original and one sporter deer rifle) with commercial loads, surplus loads and with hand loads.

Find yourself a good Mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel for hunting and clay pigeons. Buy yourself a 20" barrel for home defense use. Pattern the gun with both barrels. ECKSJAY is right. At close distances, even with a cylinder bore, the size of your pattern is not as big as you would think. You can miss. Skeet shooting is great practice for both hunting and home defense. As a shotgun is not aimed but pointed, it teaches you to mount the gun and shoot where you look. Shooting clay birds is a lot of fun. So is bird hunting. Welcome to the world of shotgunning. It's a blast.

thats like mine but with a synthetic stock. same two barrels. she sits as a backup to my 870 and as small bird gun. that is before i lost all my guns in a freak canoe accident years ago... Oh, and big 5 and cabellas both have sales on these quite regularly.

 

[stewie]

my 870. yes, with the M4 style buttstock that you dont like. i dont care for the full length stocks- they feel too far away on a shotgun for me.

 

[FlexdXJ]

I've fired plenty of 12 gauge and like I said I have a beast of a rifle in 7.62x54r that is well known as the shoulder buster. Just I've never fired a pistol grip without a stock. I've fired traditional shotguns from the hip before. I don't know anyone with that particular shotgun that would allow me to go shoot it.

Recoil of a traditional shotgun in any type of load is no cause of concern for me. I think for me having read and talked to a lot of people having the pistol grip stockless shotgun is still cool but it will be just a toy not a HD weapon. I may end up owning the breaching gun at some point but it would not be my go to weapon for a bump in the night. Zombies, yes.

So you are saying you have a mosin nagant?

 

[iwannadie]

So you are saying you have a mosin nagant?

Yea, picked it up for some desert shooting. Surprised how accurate and powerful that thing is not to mention heavy and abusive. I can't imagine what it must had been like to carry that thing in a time of war.

 

[Jeepman401]

If you have the money, a 590 is a bit nicer than the 500, however there is nothing wrong with the 500

I personally use a pistol for home protection but I would get the Remington 870 with the adjustable stock. I have seen them for around $500 and you can't beat the reliability of an 870!

I have to disagree
I shoot IDPA, and once a month, we do defensive shotgun scenarios. my mossberg 500 fires every time, but on the 2 different 870's I have used, I have managed to cycle it too fast for the shell to load on multiple occasions. Probably just a weak mag spring, but the mossberg I have is older than I am, all original, and it never has had an issue.

 

[Darky]

I've fired plenty of 12 gauge and like I said I have a beast of a rifle in 7.62x54r that is well known as the shoulder buster. Just I've never fired a pistol grip without a stock. I've fired traditional shotguns from the hip before. I don't know anyone with that particular shotgun that would allow me to go shoot it.

Recoil of a traditional shotgun in any type of load is no cause of concern for me. I think for me having read and talked to a lot of people having the pistol grip stockless shotgun is still cool but it will be just a toy not a HD weapon. I may end up owning the breaching gun at some point but it would not be my go to weapon for a bump in the night. Zombies, yes.

I misread your statement, thought you said you had never fired a 12 gauge, as opposed to never fired a 12 gauge with a pistol grip.