Rubbing with 31" tires and a 3" lift

[Skipper51]

I thought that if I did all the set up work first then got the tires that I would have no problems when I put even 32" tires on Babajeep. Well, I just hate it when a plan does not come together. :doh:

I put 31's on and here is what happened.

Whats the big deal right just do this!

OK but I planned for a year, :wstupid:, to get 32's or 31's, if it worked out that way, and have Babajeep look stock, Detours Backbone (soon Detours Tail Bone), be my only car, and a capable weekend warrior.

I can move my Adj LCA back an inch but ....... but it may not be enough to keep it from rubbing!

Did the plan just go south on me? Others have put 31's or even 32's on with no trimming. What went wrong here? irate1:

 

[Rammin97]

Was the lift kit new? They can settle and sag from weight. You have that winch up front right? what back spacing are those rims? that will make a difference too. I wouldnt mess with the control arms unless you have caster issues already.

 

[blondejoncherokee]

doesn't look quite like 3". id throw an extra coil isolator up front and adjust the front arms out. then throw a shackle on the rear, or a few stock leaves as aals. then id chop put he fenders. i ran 33 swampers on 3.5" with no issues. i run 35s on 4.5". just cut and fold.

 

[rocknxj]

I removed my front bumper end caps when I ran 3.5" lift and 31's on Old Blue. You don't want that crap on there anyway. ACOS will help you dial in what you need for now and the future.

 

[Skipper51]

Was the lift kit new? They can settle and sag from weight. You have that winch up front right? what back spacing are those rims? that will make a difference too. I wouldnt mess with the control arms unless you have caster issues already.

Now I am thinking that the lift Rough Country sent me did not raise the jeep 3" :idea:

I came on on an other site and asked that question before because in the front I have 19" from my center of the cap to the bottom of the flare. Which = 1.5" of lift. In the rear I have 19" from the center of the cap to the bottom of the flare which is 2" of lift. :help:


When I asked about this Dukie thought that I should measure from the top of the axle to the bottom of the frame rail for a more accurate measurement. "
With no steering linkage or anything but the actual tube to the bottom of the frame rail(again nothing but the frame rail).
stock front: 6 3/4"
stock rear: 6""
I have not done this yet as I felt that what was said was correct and that 'Different years the flare maybe at different heights.'


But that said, Rough Country does not have a 2" lift with new front and rear springs. :read:


So I just though all was OK and since I did not measure axle to frame I thought that I got what I paid for but now I am unsure.

But how could this happen? 100 pounds of winch and a 60 pound bumper be that much weight? An what about the back? :shhh:

 

[Skipper51]

Was the lift kit new? They can settle and sag from weight. You have that winch up front right? what back spacing are those rims? that will make a difference too. I wouldnt mess with the control arms unless you have caster issues already.

THe wheels have 4" of back spacing and I have no caster issues so I will be keeping the LCA the same.

 

[Skipper51]

I removed my front bumper end caps when I ran 3.5" lift and 31's on Old Blue. You don't want that crap on there anyway. ACOS will help you dial in what you need for now and the future.

Two questions:

What are ACOS?

What is a LCA mini skirt?

 

[Rob D]

Two questions:

What are ACOS?

It replaces the rubber bump stop in front and allows a couple of inches of hight adjustment without replacing your coils. Makes it easy to fine tune your ride hight. But they ain't cheep. http://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/m...OS&Store_Code=JKS01&Category_Code=Coil_Spring

What is a LCA mini skirt?

I think you meen LCA mini "skids" http://tal4x4.com/product?kid=1449 They weld onto your lower control arm mounts (on the axle) and provide protection for your LCA's. They can even keep your lca mount from being ripped off the axle if you hit a rock to hard.

 

[blondejoncherokee]

winch+ bumper can do it easy

 

[Skipper51]

winch+ bumper can do it easy

It's a Detours backbone not a full bumper but I get your point thank you.

I will measure Axel to frame tomorrow and see what that tells me.

Other wise if something does not change it looks like I got 1.5 inches in the front and 2 inches in the rear and I want to go to 4.5 over all so at this point what is the best way to go about it?

 

[the_weirdo]

Get shackles for a 2" lift in the rear. Then buy my brand new in box (never opened) RE4.5" front springs( for $100 shipped to your place) and you are done.

 

[Skipper51]

Get shackles for a 2" lift in the rear. Then buy my brand new in box (never opened) RE4.5" front springs( for $100 shipped to your place) and you are done.

You know that sounds like good advice. I have a HD shackle relocation kit if I use that and a 1.5" shackles and RE (the best) front coils then I have solved the problem for under $200.

Until then I will leave my end caps off.

 

[the_weirdo]

You know that sounds like good advice. I have a HD shackle relocation kit if I use that and a 1.5" shackles and RE (the best) front coils then I have solved the problem for under $200.

Until then I will leave my end caps off.

Sounds like a good plan. PM sent.

 

[blondejoncherokee]

did you bump stop properly?

 

[Johnnie Walker]

Just curious, what brand coils do you have currently?

At taller lift, you really will want to consider CAD brackets or long/mid arms.

 

[rocknxj]

ACOS = adjustable coil over spacers

Adding heavy bumpers, winch, or super sizing your combo meal will cause your front to sag. An ACOS allows you to adjust your ride height to accommodate the load.

 

[Skipper51]

did you bump stop properly?

No I had not gotten around to doing the bump stops yet. I was thinking I would wait until the tires were installed first to see how much I would need.

What seemed right for bump stopping was 1 more inch because 29" tires fit fine and did not need more bump stop so I figured that 31" tires would only need an inch.

I was looking at hockey pucks but now that the 3" Rough County lift loveu settled so low I am going to replace the front springs and put longer shackles and a shackle relocation bracket in the rear to get more lift so I might as well do a "real" bump stop.

Any ideas of which one I should use?

 

[Skipper51]

Just curious, what brand coils do you have currently?

At taller lift, you really will want to consider CAD brackets or long/mid arms.

I got a Rough Country 3” lift with replacement rear springs.
I am less than pleases that the Rough Country lift loveu settled so much but that is what happened.
I am trying to move slowly with this build to learn as I go and develop off road skills but my goal has been to lift the Babajeep 4.5 inches and keep him as my daily driver/only vehicle as long as I can.
So with 3” of lift I didn’t think I needed a drop bracket or a long are kit yet. Maybe when I go to 4.5” lift I will, which looks like it may happen sooner than I thought it would.
What do you think, 4.5” lift need a drop brack?

 

[Skipper51]

ACOS = adjustable coil over spacers

Adding heavy bumpers, winch, or super sizing your combo meal will cause your front to sag. An ACOS allows you to adjust your ride height to accommodate the load.

Well I see your point of needing to adjust for additional weight. Just adding a Detours Backbone and winch crushed my front down to 1.5” from 3”. :flame:
I am hoping adding new front coils and rear 2” shackles and HD shackle relocation bracket will get Babajeep up to snuff so to speak.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

I got a Rough Country 3” lift with replacement rear springs.
I am less than pleases that the Rough Country lift loveu settled so much but that is what happened.
I am trying to move slowly with this build to learn as I go and develop off road skills but my goal has been to lift the Babajeep 4.5 inches and keep him as my daily driver/only vehicle as long as I can.
So with 3” of lift I didn’t think I needed a drop bracket or a long are kit yet. Maybe when I go to 4.5” lift I will, which looks like it may happen sooner than I thought it would.
What do you think, 4.5” lift need a drop brack?

I would. At 4.5 with CAD brackets (there is a chart somewhere) you CAN use stock LCA's, or at least stock length is about what you need with the CAD brackets I believe. If you do not run CAD brackets, you will need longer LCA's at the very least (adjustables are ideal). Pretty much anything 4"+ you will want to notch the shock mount above the LCA mount so you can get some additional flex. You will also want extended brake lines. With "short" arms, the CAD brackets bring your CA angles close-ish to stock which will give you a better ride.
You're correct, at 3" you do not need long arms or CAD brackets.
Only reason I have 4.5 RC coils right now is that I was helping a friend out who needed 3" springs for the heep he was selling and we traded coils. Long/mid arms are definitely in MY future.