Roll Call *Shooting in Portland*

Wrong the shooter was not shot by the bystander with the CHL, he didn't feel he could make a clean shot. He was also a former Town Center security guard, he said he wants to become a police officer, I believe he shot himself?
 
Ok, that's what I was trying to clear up. I'm at work and it was super noisy and I didn't quite get all of it. Ill have to tell my boss that the dude he talked to is full of shit.

Thanks.
 
The guy that was there with the CHL was on the news the day after the shooting, telling his side of the story.
 
BoringDave said:
I will admit I may not be totally correct about the AR but IMO regular people don't need to own people killing machines.

For example I was just on Glocks site today. They had several firearms that they would not sell to the general public. They had captions that stated for police service only. And they looked just like plain old Glock pistols nothing special.

What do you use your AR for?
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Dave.. I like you, But your view on this subject is the reason hundreds of thousands of people, Are snatching them up quicker then ever this week..

It's my Constitional right to Own this weapon. 10rd mag, or 100rd mag.

There has NEVER been a case, of a Gun killing someone.

An AR-15 is NOT an assault Rifle, Its a Rifle. It's never assaulted anyone.. A Semi Auto means = One trigger pull, per BANG.. The same as your grandfathers colt 44.

This Liberal Logic, that If you BAN it, The criminal wont have access, Is ridiculous.

You want this to stop? BAN GUN FREE ZONE'S!! every single one of these shootings has happened in a GUN FREE ZONE.

Have you heard of Mass shootings at Gun shows? Police stations? Surely There are more sicko's that wish they could kill a cop.. wonder why they call it suicide by cop?
But.. you see them at Elementary schools, and shopping malls.. Where thousands of Unarmed, Completely helpless people, feel safe.

Look, I dont believe every teacher should have a gun.. But I believe if there was 1-3 allowed Armed bodies in that elementary school, AKA: Giving teachers the right to Carry Concealed on campus.. Then this could of been a much, MUCH different scenario.. You cant just hire an armed gaurd.. all that makes is another planned target to take out..


I don't believe every american should Carry a gun.. Let alone own one. But if More people were accountable for their family's Safety, instead of just believing the police will save us all.. We all would sleep a little tighter at night.

You can ban guns, You can ban knifes, you can ban Ryder Rental box trucks, Jet fuel, and Fertalizer.. Your STILL going to have the Oklahoma city bomber, the mall shooter.. and the elementary school murderer.. Prohibition does not work.

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NW-ZJ-SCOTT said:
Dave.. I like you, But your view on this subject is the reason hundreds of thousands of people, Are snatching them up quicker then ever this week..

It's my Constitional right to Own this weapon. 10rd mag, or 100rd mag.

There has NEVER been a case, of a Gun killing someone.

An AR-15 is NOT an assault Rifle, Its a Rifle. It's never assaulted anyone.. A Semi Auto means = One trigger pull, per BANG.. The same as your grandfathers colt 44.

This Liberal Logic, that If you BAN it, The criminal wont have access, Is ridiculous.

You want this to stop? BAN GUN FREE ZONE'S!! every single one of these shootings has happened in a GUN FREE ZONE.

Have you heard of Mass shootings at Gun shows? Police stations? Surely There are more sicko's that wish they could kill a cop.. wonder why they call it suicide by cop?
But.. you see them at Elementary schools, and shopping malls.. Where thousands of Unarmed, Completely helpless people, feel safe.

Look, I dont believe every teacher should have a gun.. But I believe if there was 1-3 allowed Armed bodies in that elementary school, AKA: Giving teachers the right to Carry Concealed on campus.. Then this could of been a much, MUCH different scenario.. You cant just hire an armed gaurd.. all that makes is another planned target to take out..


I don't believe every american should Carry a gun.. Let alone own one. But if More people were accountable for their family's Safety, instead of just believing the police will save us all.. We all would sleep a little tighter at night.

You can ban guns, You can ban knifes, you can ban Ryder Rental box trucks, Jet fuel, and Fertalizer.. Your STILL going to have the Oklahoma city bomber, the mall shooter.. and the elementary school murderer.. Prohibition does not work.

:badpc:
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Scott, I agree with every word you typed. Really the only thing I don't like about the AR or even any other so,called,assault rifle is that they seam to attracted the flicking sickos like flies on shit. They are the same rifle as rugers mini 14. But, they just have that military bling that just attracts everyone to them especially the sickos.

Both the rifles used were stolen. Stolen from who? People like you and me, law biding citizens, People that worked hard to buy those expense rifles. Why? Because they didn't lock them or was killed by a family member like the mother of the last freak!

It is hard for me to say these things. I do come from a long line of firearm owners. My family and I have probably a collection of 100 different firearms between us if not more, Dating back to the late 1800's.

In fact my late grandfathers 1929 Remington model 29A is right here beside me, within arms reach by my bed.. It is unloaded but I have a couple shells hidden just in case. Also every day when I or my wife leaves the house it gets locked up.
 
BoringDave said:
Scott, I agree with every word you typed. Really the only thing I don't like about the AR or even any other so,called,assault rifle is that they seam to attracted the flicking sickos like flies on shit. They are the same rifle as rugers mini 14. But, they just have that military bling that just attracts everyone to them especially the sickos.

Both the rifles used were stolen. Stolen from who? People like you and me, law biding citizens, People that worked hard to buy those expense rifles. Why? Because they didn't lock them or was killed by a family member like the mother of the last freak!

It is hard for me to say these things. I do come from a long line of firearm owners. My family and I have probably a collection of 100 different firearms between us if not more, Dating back to the late 1800's.

In fact my late grandfathers 1929 Remington model 29A is right here beside me, within arms reach by my bed.. It is unloaded but I have a couple shells hidden just in case. Also every day when I or my wife leaves the house it gets locked up.
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Dave, Go shoot an AR. A lot of your questions will be answered
 
I heard about a guy who got drunk, drinking sky vodka then got in to his car and killed a woman with his Honda civic

Lets out law sky vodka and Honda civics
 
Yeah I wished they would continue talking about mental health, its the bigger issue. They originally where talking about mental health, now all I'm hearing is ban assault rifles, and high capacity clips. Lets be serious even if they ban assault rifles there are 3 million AR style rifles on the street. They will have a bitch of a time getting those weopons off the street,people won't give them up freely.
Look at Norway for example they don't allow fire arms, then guess what happens surprise, surprise, they have a mass shooting at some kind of summer camp killing alot of kids, well how and where did he get the guns?

Listen no sain person has a thought that pops into there head lets go kill a bunch of kids today.

LETS HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH!!!!!!!! Then I would consider a logical discussion on banning something many sane people obviously want to own.

A gun store said recently they sold 30 AR's a month now they say they are selling 30 a week, or something crazy like that, people are proving they want the AR's
 
Most ars would go in if the law said to turn them in, because most of them are in the hands of law abiding people. Thus the reason that gun control doesn't work.
 
I disagree, I abide by the laws I wouldn't turn in my AR. I bet most people wouldn't why do you think there's a run on AR when they start talking about banning them? I'll tell you why because people are afraid they won't be able to buy them anymore. So are we going to ratify the second amendment, not without a fight.
 
People are buying rifles because it's not illegal at the moment. During the last assault weapon ban "assault weapons" owned before the ban took effect(pre-ban) were grandfathered and legal to own, and commanded higher prices than their neutered brothers. My guess is that people are expecting the same thing to happen again.

All it would take is an outright ban that gave a date to turn them in by or become a criminal, and 99% of gun owners would squawk a little about it while they stood in line to turn them in. Law abiding citizens want to be exactly that,law abiding. When the time comes to put up or shut up, most folks will shut up and do what they're told. Sure, there would be a few "rebels" that would keep rifles squirreled away, gathering dust in a closet somewhere, but what does that accomplish. Nobody wants to be the first one to get shot. There will be no fight, revolution, civil war, or anything but people being pissed off about having to give up something they spent money on. It will take decades to undo the next "assault weapons" ban. The politicians that tried and failed last time learned from their mistakes. There will be no "sunset" this time. That's the only reason it went away last time.
 
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Dont agree with you at all, but thats the great thing about living in the USA we dont have to agree, no one is going to get shot for not turning in a wepon they bough, maybe put in jail forever. Unless you shoot at them, like people have done in the past, like Waco Texas. I would bet if the goverment issued an out right ban and requested people to turn in there AR's people would do alot more that squawk. I dont give up my freedoms that easly, maybe you do. The second ammendmant says the right to bear arms, it doesn't say all arms but AR15s, I'm sure they didnt plan on people owning assault rifles. Once you start to faulter on any of your rights the rest will follow.
 
crazymoose1990 said:
Dont agree with you at all, but thats the great thing about living in the USA we dont have to agree, no one is going to get shot for not turning in a wepon they bough, maybe put in jail forever. Unless you shoot at them, like people have done in the past, like Waco Texas. I would bet if the goverment issued an out right ban and requested people to turn in there AR's people would do alot more that squawk. I dont give up my freedoms that easly, maybe you do. The second ammendmant says the right to bear arms, it doesn't say all arms but AR15s, I'm sure they didnt plan on people owning assault rifles. Once you start to faulter on any of your rights the rest will follow.
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I don't watch the news much but seen tonight that the gun room has had record sales. Best sales in 50 years they claimed and can't keep AR's in stock. I think he said he's been selling 2 a day and have 20 more on order. Also the gun manufacture BMG I think it is in Bend? Has increased there manufacturing capacity from 1500 to 2000. Not sure of that was per day,per week or per month? I don't think they said.
 
You are right. They didn't plan on people owning "assault rifles" they planned on everyone owning or being able to own whatever rifle they wanted. The average joe citizen at the time was free to go out and buy a state of the art rifle, just the same as the army.

You talk about "faltering on your rights" in the same paragraph as saying that they didn't really mean what they wrote. You have to remember what was going on when the constitution was written. There was a rebellion. A bunch of what would today be called terrorists overthrew a government that they weren't happy with. Do you really think that they would make it a point to write "....the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" if they didn't mean all arms? Do you think that the founding fathers wanted us to be at a disadvantage should the government they were setting up not go as planned? Look at some of the things that they said. Most of them made it pretty clear that they thought that we should be able to control that government which they set up by whatever means were necessary.
 
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60,000 people died this year in Mexico at the business end of a gun.. All guns are ban in Mexico...

Sweden had the lowest crime rate, they have a mandatory gun owning law.


There's a school by the North Pole, kids walk to school with rifles on ther arm and bring them to class. No school shooting EVER but at the mall There's a no Weapons sign in the window SHOOTING
At that movie theater there's a sign no weapons SHOOTING

did you know Connecticut has the fifth strictest gun laws in United States... School shooting....

Did you remember kip Kinkel and the school shooting he did in the middle of the weapons ban that was issued then...


Don't ban guns, it don't work.
Just keeps good guns away from good ppl

How do you stop a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun.
 
BoringDave said:
No words do describe this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0W_ZvuoP4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with this. I'll assume you're scared of his magazine. I'm not sure how to make you feel better about being scared of an inanimate object. Turn off the news maybe? I'd hate to see how scared you get driving to work every day on a road, heaven forbid you get on a freeway, full of more inanimate objects that are statistically proven to be much more likely to kill you than any (as you called them before) "killing machines"

I really don't understand the logic that must be going through your (and all other anti "assault weapon"ers) heads. You are the worst kind, trying to distinguish one type of rifle from another by personifying it with a verb(anyone with two braincells to rub together should know that objects are incapable of actions like "assault" on their own) and thinking that somehow there is no way that at a certain point in history a very close relative to your daddys '06 wasn't the most bad ass "killing machine" around. Anyone who thinks that the real anti gunners aren't after granddads old 30-30 are mistaken, an "assault weapon" ban is just a stepping stone, be careful what you wish for. you buy right into their bullshit lines about "assault rifles" using that kind of logic, you guys would be happy with just having muskets, because that's all they had at the time, and any advancement from that point is just making a more effective "assault rifle" .

Just a thought. Think back to the 1860s. Lever action repeating rifles were fresh on the scene. Was anyone crying about these "killing machines" they even had the evil "high capacity magazines" that people are soiling themselves about today. Fast forward to today, these lever action " assault rifle killing machines" are the rifles that your bunch thinks that you'll be able to keep and they can just ban "assault weapons" don't get me started on your collection of "sniper rifles" lol
 
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