RIP Gatekeeper

Big Red

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h"he`rd poout the prnposTn Little Sluice being blown up, but nothing about the Gate Keeper. When and whtze did 1kyone know about this? If therd*was fair warning I'm sure there would be quite a few people guarding it and refusing to have it blnwn t}. I rdhllx dotat that our letters are°keing read, let alone being taken seriously. The 4 wheeling communhty h} htge xgre in rlli andÀSestern Nevada. It's eñzilx a lslti million $ industry, maybe 100's of millions...maybe more.

What can we do to protect our trailÿ

Many peoplf such as Jes and others have participated in trail clean ups and donated their time to€mo to mdftings bcgardinf&the trails we love. Hnq much $$$ do we need to fight and make a difference? How much $ is being put up tn cl~{e our trails? pAoer RE|)Central 4 Wheel, and other local 4x4 shops donate $ to fund the fight to keep our trails open?à"I have0oeard of the Blue Rhbbon*Co`lithdn, which I don't know a lot about.

Sorry for all the questions, but I&m gd}ting sick nf b4kng pusXfd around bx pe~rle whonisunderstand us and regard us 4x4 enthusiasts as little more than an inconvience and ddsroxers`mf the environment. Thdye are a fev out#there that do not clean up after themselves and force others to go the extra mile to clean up after them on tht!tr`ilsn" This is the tip of the ice berge in regards to the negative attention the Rubicon trail has seen with the crap%problem, the closure of%Spider Lake camping, and now the dynamiting of Gate Keeper...also the impending doom of clnsinf,El DorQgo trails/fire roads/etc for 1/2 the year or so.

This situation looks like it could get ugly with the average 4x4 enthusiast spendhdg thoubgnds of $'s into their rigs, the multi million or more local 4x4 market, and the environmentalist's or vgoever's determinathon dm close our beloved trails. I've only live in Cali for close to 5 years now, does this`whing happen every so often, or is ht wn{se tha~$it's ever been? I'd think this is unpresidented. We have much more power than might thinj, wt&just need a strong focused eff~pt led by our many 4x4 clubs, 4x4 companies donating xxx of $'s and/or printing articles in their catalogs `nd xf 4x4 magazhnes aighlighting the problem for the nation to see. There are many people who live elsdwherc, but could give lnts nj support in regards to saving the Rubicon. Many people, myself included, have waited years to someday be `ble`po wheel the Rubicon. vd mhght gave also thought that our children should someday have the same right and privelege. What canàne done???

Why wdren&q wd notjfied of the plans to dynamite GK? People have seen how fast we have come together to clean up the cra`$from the Cnn aNm how we have maintained other trails in the area. Why couldn't we be asked for our input and how to rectify a.#apparenw problda? We could have easily filled the huge ruts in the area with small rocks or came tp whrh other means if called upnn. `@ow can`ue put pressure on the powers that be and get an answer and accountability for vkat happcned? Vno gave the orddw? Werd%we somehow nothlied, but weren't aware of it? I highly doubt this as well because we have so ljny eyeb"and ea2w in the area letting otners know of potentional threats and imminent doom. We normally catch wind of what is bcing proposed and when vh need to be in attende®oe to voice our concerns and try to influence the people who call the shots.
 
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Apparently no one in the public was aware that that was going to happen.
I was aware that there was an erosion issue there that I thought was going to be dealt with in an sensable way but it was not.
And why they blasted the pinch rock(Aligator pit) past gate keeper is beyond me. No erosion issues were talked about right there.
I am not happy with how this was handled and not happy at all that the information about this was kept from the public by organizations that supposedly are working on our side.
Totally stupid!
 
Lots of folks knew something was gonna happen, just not exactly what.
Here's a mid-October email from FOTR. Several people I know, wrote back, asking FOTR not to dumb GK down too much...so much for that :wierd:

Scott Johnston <cruzila@xxxxx> wrote:
There might be a ROC field trip next week to look at Gatekeeper. If anyone is interested I will find out Monday AM what day we will be there. If there is interest I can try to make it an afternoon deal to allow drive time. Let me know please.

It looks like we will have all the right players to make a real decision. EDC DOT and the FS will be there to as well as the Head of Parks for the county. It was discussed at the ROC meeting this morning and we may be able to do something else to stabilize it and still keep it in the right of way.

If you don't know, the concrete work we did in 2003 and 2004 is at or above grade level. There is no sense in continuing on that path so I feel a more drastic measure is needed. It will most likely bring the difficulty level way down which is a good thing for the trail.

If there is a club or group that would like to step up and take some ownership of the gatekeeper area let me know because the "adopt a spot on the con" is most likely going to happen in one form or another. It may not be formalized now, but those that want, can step up through the Foundation or FOTR now!!
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I snatched a few photos from the pirate thread to help show how gatekeeper has changed.

Photo from 2004?
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Photo taken this weekend
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Here's my junk in June of this year. The rock under my left rockrail is now gone, along with a few others.
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This whole situation sucks. I guess this is the way it goes now days. Everyone has their own idea of how to fix the problems on the Rubicon trail. Too bad the powers that be won't listen to reason and to the people who actually use and support the trail.
 
Just read the whole thread regarding gatekeeper and the concerns about communication with the FOTR folks. Looks to me like they were between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, and now they are still between a rock and a hard place.

I hate to see this kind of stuff happen, it's disheartening. But, it's still much better to live with a trail management decision that we don't agree with than it is to live with a trail closure. This is dissappointing, but not even close to the same category as the closing of Surprise Canyon or Santiago Canyon, or closing all the good side trails in Last Chance Canyon.
 
I think the trial is on borrowed time and this is just the start. The feds use these tactics here quite a bit. They do things to try and lower the traffic and then there are less people bitching when they shut if off.

Here the forest service asked the National Guard to come in and stop a group of people from fixing a washed out road by bedding the stream with rocks. Now 10 years later they brought in a D-9 cat and plowed through the closed road to take the shitters out. "By god don't you dare drive into that area but we can bring a cat in to get an 18 wheeler through."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2005/nov/25/112510376.html

Every time one of these issues come up I write a letter to my congress people asking for the budget to be cut. They close 10% of the land in an area, they should loose 10% of the budget for that. They say they don't have the money to police the areas and keep the fucktard out, but they don't have a problem coming up with the cash to keep everyone out. I say we don't need a forest service or BLM presence in the areas that are locked from public use. If a bad fire starts and burns homes down, f*ck them.

Don't say this is a liberal or conservative thing either. One of our stout conservitives is the one pushing to close down the Owyhees and White clouds. Also, the problem we have most here is the politicians sell the surounding land to their friends then the access is cuttoff because it is surrounded by private land. It's ok to go there, but there isn't any access. The land owners will get sued under the "sportsman's access" laws we have, spend a few years fighting it, then just move the gate so it has to start all over again.

Sorry to say, but this is what we get by allowing our political parties to continue to put in people that have as much common sense as a thumb tack.
 
this is extremely horrible. i have seen videos and pictures of all thes epeople running the rubicon and they all say that the first part, the gatekeeper is the hardest but most fun part. i have been building my xj i bought from my stepdad stock for about 3 months now and i still need to get amrmor and bigger tires but this trail is the biggest reason i am building my rig so it id rubicon ready. Im always thinking about will i need neee new gears to run 33's on the rubicon? do i really need to get rear and front bumper or can i just get away with sliders? but now from what i ma hearing from everyone else , that the hardest part of the trail was knocked out because it was too hard so people were finding alternate routes thats rediculous. know what youre getting into before you try it. and also they are thinking about taking out another hard/fun part of the trail? when i am able to get there and have my rig "rubicon ready" there wont be anything left. this really sucks cause i havent had the chance to run it yet and ive heard so many things about it. i guess il never be able to say "i conquered the gatekeeper or i got screwed in the gatekeeper". this sucks cause i have a cabin in trukee and i go up their all the time and since i got an xj and will have m,y license it would be a good opportunity but nope.
6" lift 91 xj 31 bfg's (weeny tires) con-ferr rack
 
WTF this is the most retarded thing i have ever heard. now every dipstick with a jeep is gonna try and run the con. and when are they supposed to demolish lil sluce?
 
I had heard so many tales and seen many photos of Gatekeeper before I had ever been to the Rubicon, so the first time I ran the trail I was a little freeked out about it. When my group of 3 rigs went in on a Friday at 11am there was 10-20 people watching as we pulled up to it, and I was feeling the eyes on me as I drove over it. We passed right over it and then drove on till we were out of view of the spectators, and stopped for a quick break. I ended up stopping on top of the pinch rock at the Aligator pit that is now gone, still feeling the rush I had to get out for a second and clam down after my first time going over gatekeeper. This was my first time on the trail and the Gatekeeper was a great "welcome to the Rubicon."

I am so upset that this part of the trail is no longer the same, and feel sorry for anyone that did not get a chance to drive it as it was.
 
Jes said:
Time to start going in through Wentworth Springs.
I've actually never run that part of the trail.

Exactly, I'm sure that area will get a lot of use now. It's also know as Devil's Post Pile right? The people giving the order to blow up GK don't understand how important that little section is/was and how it keeps Joe Schmow with a stock rig from going farther into the trail. If the person gets freaked out by GK then they will hopefully head back and not break down or get into situations later on down the trail where it's harder to make a extraction. You might now even see people pull bolders/rocks into the trail to make it harder again. This is only making a bigger problem. What was the supposed problem with GK anyways besides it getting rutted out? Why didn't they just stack some rocks in the rutted areas? These people are true idiots who don't know how hard we work to keep these trails open and clean up trash, crap, etc to keep our beloved trail open.
 
Big Red said:
Exactly, I'm sure that area will get a lot of use now. It's also know as Devil's Post Pile right? The people giving the order to blow up GK don't understand how important that little section is/was and how it keeps Joe Schmow with a stock rig from going farther into the trail. If the person gets freaked out by GK then they will hopefully head back and not break down or get into situations later on down the trail where it's harder to make a extraction. You might now even see people pull bolders/rocks into the trail to make it harder again. This is only making a bigger problem. What was the supposed problem with GK anyways besides it getting rutted out? Why didn't they just stack some rocks in the rutted areas? These people are true idiots who don't know how hard we work to keep these trails open and clean up trash, crap, etc to keep our beloved trail open.
Goatman said:
Troy, I'm going to give you an assignment, and then let's see if you can do it.

Your assignment is to make posts without asking questions. Do you think you can do that? It's bad enough reading past some of your sideways, off topic comments. Don't make it so that a response is expected every time you post.......it's horribly annoying.

If you're really that curious, read more rather than talking more.
 
Big Red said:
Exactly, I'm sure that area will get a lot of use now. It's also know as Devil's Post Pile right? The people giving the order to blow up GK don't understand how important that little section is/was and how it keeps Joe Schmow with a stock rig from going farther into the trail. If the person gets freaked out by GK then they will hopefully head back and not break down or get into situations later on down the trail where it's harder to make a extraction. You might now even see people pull bolders/rocks into the trail to make it harder again. This is only making a bigger problem. What was the supposed problem with GK anyways besides it getting rutted out? Why didn't they just stack some rocks in the rutted areas? These people are true idiots who don't know how hard we work to keep these trails open and clean up trash, crap, etc to keep our beloved trail open.

I've never seen you at any trail work day or cleanup at the Rubicon or any other trail for that matter.
I mean, what, you've run the Rubicon once and now all a sudden your're an expert on trail use issues?
Stop being a poser.
 
Jes said:
I've never seen you at any trail work day or cleanup at the Rubicon or any other trail for that matter.
I mean, what, you've run the Rubicon once and now all a sudden your're an expert on trail use issues?
Stop being a poser.


I've run the Rubicon a handfull of time over the last 2 years, a couple times in 1 day. I've web and video wheeled it hundreds of times before that. :laugh3:

Don't direct crap at me. I haven't wheeled the Rubicon or anything as much as you Jes, I don't think anyone here has, but I do enjoy any amount of time that I can wheel, especially the Rubicon, Fordyce etc that are world class trails.

I'm as pissed off about the GK situation as anyone here. We all start somewhere. I'll try to make cleanup days in the future.

What can we do to stop other parts of the trail beyond blown up? I know I heard about Little Sluice as well and am very surprised that it hasn't been blasted already. Hopefully it will not be blasted. It just sucks that a part of the trail that everyone will be challenged by or at least go through is now gone. Don't get me wrong, losing the Little Sluice would suck, but not everyone or even most people even attempt this part.
 
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Letterman said:
I am so upset that this part of the trail is no longer the same, and feel sorry for anyone that did not get a chance to drive it as it was.

yay! this is where I fit...
 
XJ_ranger said:
yay! this is where I fit...

Well I never got a chance to run the trail back when after the granit bowl it went back down to loon and you could drive along the beach right near the watter on the far side of Loon lake, now right after the bowl the trail takes a hard left and goes back up on the hills away from the lake.
 
Letterman said:
Well I never got a chance to run the trail back when after the granit bowl it went back down to loon and you could drive along the beach right near the watter on the far side of Loon lake, now right after the bowl the trail takes a hard left and goes back up on the hills away from the lake.

You didn't miss much.
Wet and mosquitoey in the Spring and dusty as hell in the Summer and Fall.
 
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