I have lost all positive attitude towards the situation.
The ENF has shown that they will not listen to us and will do things their own way weather we like it or not. All I see is a sinking ship.
I'll continue to do my part as I always have but I think it's a lost cause.
I have lost all positive attitude towards the situation.
The ENF has shown that they will not listen to us and will do things their own way weather we like it or not. All I see is a sinking ship.
I'll continue to do my part as I always have but I think it's a lost cause.
I know you are frustrated and have puts lots of time in especially communting from SF. Don't give up. We has thousands of people on our side and lots of resources....we just need to focus them and unite. Is the ENF responding to complaints from environmentalists or are they having biased, uneducated people assessing the trail and then making their own mind up without hearing us and doing what they want? Everyone is accountable to someone else. Who are the people making the decisions accountable to us the people? Why then can they get away with what they do if we have 1000's of people and millions of $$$ in a local industry that relies very heavily on the Rubicon? Heck Chrysler named the "ultimate 4x4 vehicle" the Rubicon in honor of the Rubicon trail and what it represents. We can not get frustrated and give up, that's what ENF and the people responsible for trail closures want. We have to properly define our enemy and form our own focused agenda with our many resources. At the same time we have to remain peaceable and go through the system. If the system is flawed where ENF will not listen to the people that they are supposed to listed to...we need to change the system or the people in charge to people that will work with us the people. Since some of the trail is on private land, can we buy this land to preserve it from the private owner of it? We can not, and will not, let our trails be closed and be content with OHV off-road parks to pacify us. We want to be able to enjoy the beauty of this state and enjoy our sport. This America after all isn't it???
What we need to ask ourselves is if we should unite the 4x4 community which again very large and multi million $ industry through our websites and keep this more underground within our community? (OR) Should we protest and get local, state, national attention? Will this attention be more counter productive where the average person might have a biased feeling about us already? I don't know, but again if we are not getting hear by the people that should be listening to us and representing us...we need to do something about it by either removing them from office (long term) or in the (short term) going around them or finding other avenues of attack. Maybe peaceful protesting and/or guarding a site on the trail that is to be demolished is the way we need to handle this. That's the way it was done in the 60's etc by people making a stand and refusing to just go away. Look at other countries especially Asian countries...the college students are said to be the conscience of the country. They many times have paid with fines, jail time, being killed etc but over time you do get your message across. I'm not advicating this extreme measure, but peaceful protesting, sit ins, and putting more pressure on the people in charge has to be explored.
O.k. now I need to get back to work at work. :laugh3:
I have lost all positive attitude towards the situation.
The ENF has shown that they will not listen to us and will do things their own way weather we like it or not. All I see is a sinking ship.
I'll continue to do my part as I always have but I think it's a lost cause.
Same here, but I am still fighting, and I am trying to get some faith back in the ones that I thought were on our side, as I really feel blindsided by this.
I think what is more frustrating is reading BigRed's ignorant and unintelligent posts, where he keeps spouting out the same generic crap and asking too many brainless questions.
John Berry, the current ENF Supervisor, is the man making the decisions. He is doing so without getting input for the users. The "Final Rule", another FS document, requires that he gets public input.
John Berry is retiring as Forest Supervisor as of Jan 1st. Who knows if the next guy is going to be better or worse.
By law FS has to acknowlege every single piece of public input. They have no obligation to follow those suggestions.
Of the 721 miles of non-system roads in the ENF, only 14 are being considered for system status. Those roads are being considered because the public wrote in and asked that they be included. Letters do work. If you have a section of road that you think should be included write Tony.
There are private properties out there. There are already legal easements through these properties. The Rubicon Trail Foundation is looking in to the possibility of purchasing property in the Rubicon Trail area.
This is sickening and frightening. Thanks to all for everything you are doing, and we're all going to have to start acting or everything we've been fearing for 20 years is going to happen.