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[Lupine]

I do not believe that there is anything that I could write that conveys how grateful I am to have the U. S. Military fighting for my freedom. Thanks, all.

 

[red91]

I'll tell ya what, I got freakin teary-eyed yesterday over a news story I saw:

A Sgt. in the 25th over in Iraq hadnt seen his kids in 9 months or so and was supposed to be gone for another while. He got a surprise 2 week leave to go home and visit his kids. He surprised his son and daughter at their school in the middle of the day.

Man, those kid's reaction when they saw their Dad, and his reaction to them...

Those are the folks that deserve thanks...not me.

Fergie

how bout the soldier who's wife had...whatever you call 5 kids at once. Family of 4 is now 9...ouch. Talk about a leathal weapon!

 

[red91]

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and STFU. Hind sight is 20/20, didn't they teach that in Eagle Scouts?

His rear end must be sore considering how many time this Eagle Scout thing has come back and kicked him there...Glad I didn't open the E.S. door...

He's young. MAYBE he'll learn. I don't think the Scouts offered a hindsight badge. Sewing yes, hindsight no.

 

[Gridikal]

Geeze my tread gew kinda fast didnt it?:chef:

dont encourage him. The military needs people to FOLLOW orders, not sit around a play e-lance corperal (SP?) all day...Jeez Glenn... you must want some of us to be shot at... :gag:

He ain't cut out for the military in any sense and you know it...

I agree just like those people that disobeyed a direct order to drive those truck over in iraq- what they do? call their mommy and tell them to "raise hell" wtf do they think? they're going to get a free ride in the millitary? these "service men and women" need to be court marshelled.

- on another point, I dont think it would be a good idea to have any type of draft- back door or the otherwise, then we would get more of the incident I stated above- however if their was one, I'm almost 19 and I for one would be packing my bags if I were called upon

 

[Gridikal]

stupid quote button

 

[Urban Redneck]

- on another point, I dont think it would be a good idea to have any type of draft- back door or the otherwise, then we would get more of the incident I stated above- however if their was one, I'm almost 19 and I for one would be packing my bags..

There is no draft. No back door, front door, through the freaking window draft, period. There was a vote for one in the Senate...only one vote, from a Democrap...go figure....

 

[Z22_Z33]

Lets see how can I say this without anyone taking it the wrong way. Well I dont think thats possible.

He insulted me, he didnt need to bring up me being an Eagle Scout. I do not like it when people do that. Of course I am going to defend myself and insult him.

Now if someone could point out in all my posts on here, where I said me being an Eagle Scout I am better then anyone else, or how you think that I said being an Eagle Scout is better then being in the armed forces.

If I am not mistaken I have not said any of that.
By the way I didnt bring the Eagle Scout thing up, the (explitive delated) urban red neck brought that one up. You could have just said its hingsight, and didnt have to put your comment in there about me. And people say I shouldnt put comments in my posts.


"please watch your personal attacks. No one likes to see people get booted off our club board."

Watch my personal attacks? I believe I was the one attacked first here. So simply because I am trying to stand up for myself I deserve to get shot down for that? And deserve to be portrayed as the a**hole? “Hind sight is 20/20, didn't they teach that in Eagle Scouts?” Now how is this not a personal attack at me? That’s basically the same as making fun of someone because of their religion, nationality, or color of skin. Well that is how I view, it is to bad no one else can see this.

 

[Eagle]

Lets see how can I say this without anyone taking it the wrong way. Well I dont think thats possible.

He insulted me, he didnt need to bring up me being an Eagle Scout. I do not like it when people do that. Of course I am going to defend myself and insult him.

Now if someone could point out in all my posts on here, where I said me being an Eagle Scout I am better then anyone else, or how you think that I said being an Eagle Scout is better then being in the armed forces.

If I am not mistaken I have not said any of that.
By the way I didnt bring the Eagle Scout thing up, the (explitive delated) urban red neck brought that one up. You could have just said its hingsight, and didnt have to put your comment in there about me. And people say I shouldnt put comments in my posts.


"please watch your personal attacks. No one likes to see people get booted off our club board."

Watch my personal attacks? I believe I was the one attacked first here. So simply because I am trying to stand up for myself I deserve to get shot down for that? And deserve to be portrayed as the a**hole? “Hind sight is 20/20, didn't they teach that in Eagle Scouts?” Now how is this not a personal attack at me? That’s basically the same as making fun of someone because of their religion, nationality, or color of skin. Well that is how I view, it is to bad no one else can see this.

Reality Check: Perhaps you did not bring up the Eagle Scout thing in this thread, but you certainly brought it up. And the way in which you did -- multiple veiled references to some mysterious, unidentified accomplishment that YOU had achieved (as though you were the only person in the entire Universe to have ever done what you did), and then finally telling us what this top secret achievement was only after you had been hammered multiple times, clearly sets you up for periodic reminders.

I was a Boy Scout for a number of years. I'll freely admit that I never made Eagle Scout -- I quit the program after they wouldn't pass me on the knot tying merit badge because they didn't like the way I tied a bowline. Mind you, I was taught how to tie a bowline by an English sailor who had sailed around the world single-handed, and I had been a sailing instructor for three years at the time. Go figure.

The last kid who made Eagle Scout in my home town got it for ... painting the fire hydrants. Cool -- he did a nice job and I'm sure the fire department appreciated the help. But in the overall frame of reference of the world and life, painting fire hydrants doesn't seem to me such a great accomplishment. If that's all it takes to make Eagle Scout, then I think every serviceman (and servicewoman) who makes it through basic training and AIT should automatically be awarded Eagle Scout status, because they have truly accomplished something to be proud of.

There's a very old saying we used to hear when I was young (back in the stone age): "Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear." Perhaps you might consider that advice before putting your keyboard in gear.

Finally, the forum rules clearly prohibit insults. If you feel you have been attacked, the forum rules also state that you should IGNORE the thread. If you're certain it's an intentional insult, use the "Report Post" feature and if a moderator agrees it's a violation, he/she will nuke it for you. And lastly, it is possible to defend yourself without resorting to insults. Using an insult to respond to an insult is not a defense, it's an admission that you aren't any better than the person who insulted you.

 

[Z22_Z33]

Reality Check: Perhaps you did not bring up the Eagle Scout thing in this thread, but you certainly brought it up. And the way in which you did -- multiple veiled references to some mysterious, unidentified accomplishment that YOU had achieved (as though you were the only person in the entire Universe to have ever done what you did), and then finally telling us what this top secret achievement was only after you had been hammered multiple times, clearly sets you up for periodic reminders.

I was a Boy Scout for a number of years. I'll freely admit that I never made Eagle Scout -- I quit the program after they wouldn't pass me on the knot tying merit badge because they didn't like the way I tied a bowline. Mind you, I was taught how to tie a bowline by an English sailor who had sailed around the world single-handed, and I had been a sailing instructor for three years at the time. Go figure.

The last kid who made Eagle Scout in my home town got it for ... painting the fire hydrants. Cool -- he did a nice job and I'm sure the fire department appreciated the help. But in the overall frame of reference of the world and life, painting fire hydrants doesn't seem to me such a great accomplishment. If that's all it takes to make Eagle Scout, then I think every serviceman (and servicewoman) who makes it through basic training and AIT should automatically be awarded Eagle Scout status, because they have truly accomplished something to be proud of.

There's a very old saying we used to hear when I was young (back in the stone age): "Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear." Perhaps you might consider that advice before putting your keyboard in gear.

Finally, the forum rules clearly prohibit insults. If you feel you have been attacked, the forum rules also state that you should IGNORE the thread. If you're certain it's an intentional insult, use the "Report Post" feature and if a moderator agrees it's a violation, he/she will nuke it for you. And lastly, it is possible to defend yourself without resorting to insults. Using an insult to respond to an insult is not a defense, it's an admission that you aren't any better than the person who insulted you.

No you are wrong about that, the last thread about me being in Eagle Scout, was of course dumb of me to put my comment in there. How many times must I explain myself? I simply wanted answers to the questions I asked. I did not want any useless comments from people against me. Ok, can you please point out to me where I said "I’m an eagle scout I’m better then all of you" or even in more subtle terms. I have not said that anywhere or anyplace.
I got angry at redneck that is all. From my experiences people don’t much listen when you complain, but instead I have to go directly to the person who said such things against me. If then it doesn’t work I might think of complaining to someone, but that usually never solves a thing.

Maybe if you made Eagle Scout you'd have a better understanding of it. Someone doesn’t get Eagle Scout simply by painting something.
Well I can see why it wouldn’t have been possible for you to make Eagle Scout. So instead of trying to show you know better, or show how you were in fact right, you quit. Now I'm not saying you do this by force, but simply show that your way is better. Then again if you did try this, and the adults still believed you were wrong then it is not your fault but theirs instead. Now I don’t believe someone quits something over something so small, there must have been more to why you left the scouts. For those that don’t know, the Boy Scouts is a boy run organization, it is not run by the adults, but some adults though do not see this and us boys are to young to know the difference.

Basic training should be associated with an Eagle Scout? What are you man crazy? How do you come to this conclusion if you yourself are not an Eagle Scout, or even really know what it takes?
Basic training makes soldiers, that is all. People who will kill and who will obey. How is this anything remotely similar to one being an Eagle Scout?
So what you are saying is that simply because they are proud of what they accomplished, some how that is the same as me being proud to be an Eagle Scout? Apples and oranges that is what you’re trying to compare.

I will try to remeber from now on that if I have a complaint to talk to whoever is in "charge" around these parts.

 

[Glenn B]

I might suggest a smaller shovel to prevent you from digging that hole as quickly.

I am not even going to touch on your Boy Scouting stuff. Frankly, I does not matter.

Your comments about Basic Training are so off base that it is not even funny. If you think all Basic does is train people to kill, you need to do some learning. Discipline, respect, team work, pride are just a few of the more basic components. Ability to lead and follow, think as a unit, care for yourself and others, knowing how to use and survive by depending on your equipment... as well as marksmanship, etc... are a few more components. Physical fitness is a huge part.

The best part is that at least in todays military, their are more than enough people willing to join up. Though the reasons vary, it is the best thing some people will ever do in their lifetime. The fundamentals learned in the military guide many for life.

However, many do flunk out as well.

No you are wrong about that, the last thread about me being in Eagle Scout, was of course dumb of me to put my comment in there. How many times must I explain myself? I simply wanted answers to the questions I asked. I did not want any useless comments from people against me. Ok, can you please point out to me where I said "I’m an eagle scout I’m better then all of you" or even in more subtle terms. I have not said that anywhere or anyplace.
I got angry at redneck that is all. From my experiences people don’t much listen when you complain, but instead I have to go directly to the person who said such things against me. If then it doesn’t work I might think of complaining to someone, but that usually never solves a thing.

Maybe if you made Eagle Scout you'd have a better understanding of it. Someone doesn’t get Eagle Scout simply by painting something.
Well I can see why it wouldn’t have been possible for you to make Eagle Scout. So instead of trying to show you know better, or show how you were in fact right, you quit. Now I'm not saying you do this by force, but simply show that your way is better. Then again if you did try this, and the adults still believed you were wrong then it is not your fault but theirs instead. Now I don’t believe someone quits something over something so small, there must have been more to why you left the scouts. For those that don’t know, the Boy Scouts is a boy run organization, it is not run by the adults, but some adults though do not see this and us boys are to young to know the difference.

Basic training should be associated with an Eagle Scout? What are you man crazy? How do you come to this conclusion if you yourself are not an Eagle Scout, or even really know what it takes?
Basic training makes soldiers, that is all. People who will kill and who will obey. How is this anything remotely similar to one being an Eagle Scout?
So what you are saying is that simply because they are proud of what they accomplished, some how that is the same as me being proud to be an Eagle Scout? Apples and oranges that is what you’re trying to compare.

I will try to remeber from now on that if I have a complaint to talk to whoever is in "charge" around these parts.

 

[Z22_Z33]

I might suggest a smaller shovel to prevent you from digging that hole as quickly.

I am not even going to touch on your Boy Scouting stuff. Frankly, I does not matter.

Your comments about Basic Training are so off base that it is not even funny. If you think all Basic does is train people to kill, you need to do some learning. Discipline, respect, team work, pride are just a few of the more basic components. Ability to lead and follow, think as a unit, care for yourself and others, knowing how to use and survive by depending on your equipment... as well as marksmanship, etc... are a few more components. Physical fitness is a huge part.

The best part is that at least in todays military, their are more than enough people willing to join up. Though the reasons vary, it is the best thing some people will ever do in their lifetime. The fundamentals learned in the military guide many for life.

However, many do flunk out as well.

Wow about time some realizes that. My boy scouting stuff doesn’t matter and does not in anyway shape or form need to be brought up. Especially when it is used to attack me.
I see what you’re saying about basic training. But its main goal is to create soldiers, right? Just a friendly remainder to anyone out there, please don’t pick on me. It won’t be enjoyable for anyone on these boards. Now since people will take this the wrong way let me explain myself. If someone makes fun of you for something you have accomplished, then you would do the same thing I do. Get angry, and might say something against the person who made the nasty comment about you. We all see what it’s done to this post, not one mention of the 350 tons of explosives, since the incident against me began.
Alright I think that is enough about this stuff. Why don’t we return to the point of this post. We have all said what we needed to, myself included.

 

[Sarge]

If someone makes fun of you for something you have accomplished, then you would do the same thing I do. Get angry, and might say something against the person who made the nasty comment about you. We all see what it’s done to this post, not one mention of the 350 tons of explosives, since the incident against me began.

You want folks to stop jumping you? Then remember some manners. You come in all hot and bothered and acting like your opinion is "The" opinion and can't understand why you catch flack. Having been a scout and around scouts a long time, your attitude and manners would have gotten you some serious crap when I was in. Seems the ranks have slipped.

As for the 350 tons of the stuff...it's been talked about. The timing smells, there is no way the unit which found it could have left a guard on it. If they did this every time they found something then shortly there would be no one left in the unit. The information was forwarded on to be used by higher-ups. In that time frame there is a possibility the stuff went away with other American units a little at a time, maybe other nations such as Russia "borrowed" it, maybe the bad guys got it. On one hand they could have destroyed it but it would have destroyed a good chunk of usable real estate. On the other, why destroy it? It may cmoe in handy later.

Did the unit actually see the stuff? That's a pretty big base with a hell of a lot of bunkers. I'm sure they didn't have time to search each and every one. Either way, we here do not have all the information and most likely never will. Without ALL the info we can't make an informed decision.

Sarge

 

[Eagle]

For those that don’t know, the Boy Scouts is a boy run organization, it is not run by the adults, but some adults though do not see this and us boys are to young to know the difference.

Reality Check Number 2:

I was an Explorer post advisor for a number of years. Don't try to talk down to me sonny, and don't try to tell me that the Boy Scouts is a "boy run" organization, because I know better.

 

[Sarge]

For those that don’t know, the Boy Scouts is a boy run organization, it is not run by the adults, but some adults though do not see this and us boys are to young to know the difference.

They teach you to lie now? I seem to remember a lot of adults running things. Oh wait, I was one of them.

Sarge

 

[Z22_Z33]

Well no wonder neither of you or anyone else seem to care for the Scouting program anymore. The adults have taken charge. Maybe we tend to do things a little different out here, and not for the worst. It is a boy run organization that is what it is suppose to be. It seems though as the adults have forgotten that little fact. During my last few months as a Boy Scout, we had a change in Scout Master; this man was intent on running the troop much like the cub scouts. Were the adults make the decisions, not the boys. Oddly enough the ranks of my old troop began to shrink. Simply no one found it fun anymore. Instead of us boys running things he and the adults took charge. If you would like to go back in time you could see how my troop was run. Us scouts out in front and the parents in the back simply watching. Yes there are things young boys can’t do that adults can, but who decides where and when are the boys then the adults will need to do what they can only do, the rest is left to the scouters.

Yes I might have come in like my opinion is the opinion, well guess what the opinion is just mine. We were having a somewhat civilized argument. Then some one decides to attack me, but not only me but what I have done in the past. At that point is when I got "hot and bothered.”

 

[CW]

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[Z22_Z33]

I know I am not suppose to technically respond to these posts. But is this really needed? Please take this off.

 

[Captain Ron]

... I was a Boy Scout for a number of years. I'll freely admit that I never made Eagle Scout -- I quit the program after they wouldn't pass me on the knot tying merit badge because they didn't like the way I tied a bowline. Mind you, I was taught how to tie a bowline by an English sailor who had sailed around the world single-handed, and I had been a sailing instructor for three years at the time. Go figure. ...

OT:

Now see what learning from the Limeys gottcha? If you'da done it one handed, a la Steve McQueen, you would have made "Eagle" Scout no problem.

--ron

 

[Eagle]

OT:

Now see what learning from the Limeys gottcha? If you'da done it one handed, a la Steve McQueen, you would have made "Eagle" Scout no problem.

--ron

That's how I was taught to do it. The "official" Boy Scout method (at least at that time) was the old "the rabbit comes out of the hole, runs around the tree and goes back into the hole" bit. They couldn't understand how I was doing a bowline one-handed in a quarter of the time the "offical" method required, thus I didn't get the badge.

 

[Eagle]

Well no wonder neither of you or anyone else seem to care for the Scouting program anymore. The adults have taken charge. Maybe we tend to do things a little different out here, and not for the worst. It is a boy run organization that is what it is suppose to be. It seems though as the adults have forgotten that little fact.

Time out.

The Boy Scouts have been around for what, 100 years? 150 years? And you're how old, 17, maybe 18? You weren't there when the organization was founded. Since when have the adults "taken charge"? The Boy Scouts have always been an adult-run organization, and was always "supposed to be" an adult run organization. Contrary to your assertions based on your limited life experience, it appears to me that your particular troop (or post if you made it to Explorer) is the exception, not the general rule. It also sounds a lot like the inmates running the asylum.

I very much doubt that the scouts actually run the organization. The adults may allow you a degree of autonomy under their supervision, but I'm sure they retain veto power and ultimate control.