Mythbusters/airplane on a treadmill.

[Ray H]

I would assume there is a not-so-happy person inside there.

Id say he/she is niether happy nor unhappy at that point.

 

[Lowrange2]

Id say he/she is niether happy nor unhappy at that point.

Good point.

 

[Captain Ron]

...
Once again... the wheel speed DOES NOT MATTER. The planes prop pulls it along... Technically with no friction in the planes axle the plane will not move without the prop.

I know what it's going to do. You folks are guessing, and then offering the lamest explainations for why, like yours.

I've heard more technical thinking in a third grade class room than here. At a girls school.



--ron

 

[Lowrange2]

I know what it's going to do. You folks are guessing, and then offering the lamest explainations for why, like yours.

I've heard more technical thinking in a third grade class room than here. At a girls school.



--ron

Well you certainly aren't offering up any explanations...

Please do enlighten us 3rd graders. I wanna hear it, Sir.

 

[ZacSquatch]

Captain Ron rival's Chuck Norris.. he needs not to explain himself

 

[Lowrange2]

Sure he doesn't....

 

[ZacSquatch]

Hey Andy, we're gonna punk the Charlotte 4WP store next sunday, you in?

 

[Lowrange2]

If the plan flies then sure. Then I'll be able to afford gas.

 

[Ray H]

I know what it's going to do. You folks are guessing, and then offering the lamest explainations for why, like yours.

I've heard more technical thinking in a third grade class room than here. At a girls school.



--ron

Im "GUESSING" that since ground speed is irrelevant it doesnt matter what the wheels or conveyour are doing. The whole conveyour belt scenario is a red herring to distract people away from the true reason the plane flys.(ie: lift) and the true source of thrust, (which is also lift).
BTW, thats not a guess.

 

[Captain Ron]

Well you certainly aren't offering up any explanations...

Please do enlighten us 3rd graders. I wanna hear it, Sir.

Ok third grader, at a girls school, it goes like this:

Read FAR 91.205

Required equipment, day, VFR.

Mnemonic: A TOMATO FLAMES

A nti collision lights
T achometr
O il pressure gauge
M ainfoild pressure gauge if altitude engine
A ltimeter
T emperature gauge if water cooled
O il tempreature gauge
F uel gauge
L anding gear position indicator
A ir speed indicator
M agnetic compass
E LT
S afety belts

So, you see? It's simple. Wheels are not required for flight. The plane will fly.

You try.



--ron

 

[Lowrange2]

I don't understand. I said the plane will fly... Why is my reasoning wrong?


All I have said this whole time is that the wheels don't mean shit! The plane will fly.

And why are you hanging out at a 3rd grade girls school?

 

[ZacSquatch]

IFR man... who needs a visual contact either

 

[Ray H]

Ok third grader, at a girls school, it goes like this:

Read FAR 91.205

Required equipment, day, VFR.

Mnemonic: A TOMATO FLAMES

A nti collision lights
T achometr
O il pressure gauge
M ainfoild pressure gauge if altitude engine
A ltimeter
T emperature gauge if water cooled
O il tempreature gauge
F uel gauge
L anding gear position indicator
A ir speed indicator
M agnetic compass
E LT
S afety belts

So, you see? It's simple. Wheels are not required for flight. The plane will fly.

You try.



--ron

Yikes, your plane has no source of lift, thrust or even a place to sit down.

 

[Lowrange2]

Capt.?

 

[Ray H]

Capt.?

Oh.oh!!
I bet his head exploded.

EDIT: $300 says his head exploded.

 

[Captain Ron]

Im "GUESSING" that since ground speed is irrelevant it doesnt matter what the wheels or conveyour are doing. The whole conveyour belt scenario is a red herring to distract people away from the true reason the plane flys.(ie: lift) and the true source of thrust, (which is also lift).
BTW, thats not a guess.

So, in this "technical if you can call it that, but I'll bet on it" discussion, you'll just throw that out there and not call it a guess? You have a degree in areonuatics to back that third grade guess up with?

One, an airplane does not fly on lift alone. Lift alone does not "make" an airplane fly.
Two, Thrust and Lift are technically different vectors.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/media/faa-h-8083-3a-2of7.pdf

Section 3.

--ron

 

[Lowrange2]

So, in this "technical if you can call it that, but I'll bet on it" discussion, you'll just throw that out there and not call it a guess? You have a degree in areonuatics to back that third grade guess up with?

One, an airplane does not fly on lift alone. Lift alone does not "make" an airplane fly.
Two, Thrust and Lift are technically different vectors.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/media/faa-h-8083-3a-2of7.pdf

Section 3.

--ron

Capt., I'm still quite curious as to why you said I was so incredibly wrong. I simply said that the wheels have nothing to do with if it flies or not. My rambling was an attempt to explain WHY the wheels don't matter. I've said all the time that it will fly for the exact same reason as you. What gives?

 

[impetus-93xj]

In order for the plane to fly there must be air flow over and under the wings.The top of a planes wings are convex causing the air to flow faster over the wing causing less pressure on the wing than the slow moving air on the under side. Less pressure on top ,more pressure on the bottom = lift.. wala unless the canvalure belt is causing some serius wind then ......no flight.

 

[ZacSquatch]

Echo... Echoo... Echoooo...

 

[Ray H]

So, in this "technical if you can call it that, but I'll bet on it" discussion, you'll just throw that out there and not call it a guess? You have a degree in areonuatics to back that third grade guess up with?

One, an airplane does not fly on lift alone. Lift alone does not "make" an airplane fly.
Two, Thrust and Lift are technically different vectors.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/media/faa-h-8083-3a-2of7.pdf

Section 3.

--ron

Ive got a degree and my A&P if that means anything and "techincally" an airplane prop produces lift which is the source of thrust and yes I know all about Trust, lift, drag, weight. Ive also spent a few hours crewing helicopters so if you want to talk about swash plates, gyroscopic precession or centripical/centrifical force, have at it.