Look Here You Goobers!

[dandecicco]

Thought that title would get your attention. Now read on

From David :I think what is more frustrating is reading BigRed's ignorant and unintelligent posts, where he keeps spouting out the same generic crap and asking too many brainless questions.

And Richard: Troy, I'm going to give you an assignment, and then let's see if you can do it.

Your assignment is to make posts without asking questions. Do you think you can do that? It's bad enough reading past some of your sideways, off topic comments. Don't make it so that a response is expected every time you post.......it's horribly annoying.

If you're really that curious, read more rather than talking more.

And from Troy: Don't direct crap at me!



Ok now for my soap box. I know I no longer have an XJ but I do enjoy this particular board and check back to it every day. I have met a few of you in person and everyone is pretty cool and when I get my Cruiser up and going, I hope to wheel with a lot of you.

With that said; Enough is enough. I am getting to the point where I don't want to follow any threads because of the bickering. Troy. I know you personally and I think your a good guy, but if you know that something you are doing bugs people, stop doing it. Create your own new threads to ask questions and reference back to the thread that started you thinking about asking something with a link. Then you will not be hyjacking threads and making people angry.

See I just did that. Used another thread as reference with the quotes above and started a new thread. No toes are stepped on. Unless you know the person personally and they will not mind you jumping on their thread don't do it. I know I do it to David's threads soemtimes, but I know him and I know that he will not care. he just might make me buy him another round next time we get together on the trail (although that is my fault it has been so long).

Now and I am not focusing on David or Richard, just used your words to get a reference. Ever think that by replying to Troy just keeps pouring gas on the fire. I know you are afraid of fire David after watching you try to reseat a bead at the top of Hollister. You were jumping around like a kitten getting shocked everytime you struck a match. Why play with it here? (rhetorical here)

Just do not reply to the post you do not like and that way it goes away and doesn't make Troy respond back.

How many Time Outs has it been? 3 or just 2? (Now that is rhetorical also and no need to reply Troy )

It is getting to the point where I dread opening a thread without panties getting in a bunch.

 

[Bryan C.]

Dan, I appreciate your concern about this. I too am tired of the negativity surrounding Big Red. In the past I have been guilty of the very same thing too. I think you need to direct this post towards Troy and his constant need for attention, any attention be it positive or negative.

I feel that Troy is a major detriment to the Sierra Chapter and is the main cause of the decline of the member involvement of this chapter. He continues to alienate himself from the rest of the group by continually causing disruptions with the forum. I don't have anything personal against Troy, but I cannot continue to sit and watch him run this chapter into the ground. I applaud the efforts by everyone over the last 2 years (yes it has been 2 years) to get Troy to listen to reason and to listen to the people he looks up to, but he refuses to do so. He is his own worst enemy and he is showing no signs of any remorse or any signs of changing his ways.

So Dan I completely agree with you on this subject, there is nothing that can be done barring removal from the club.

Bryan C.

 

[Big Red]

Dan, I appreciate your concern about this. I too am tired of the negativity surrounding Big Red. In the past I have been guilty of the very same thing too. I think you need to direct this post towards Troy and his constant need for attention, any attention be it positive or negative.

I feel that Troy is a major detriment to the Sierra Chapter and is the main cause of the decline of the member involvement of this chapter. He continues to alienate himself from the rest of the group by continually causing disruptions with the forum. I don't have anything personal against Troy, but I cannot continue to sit and watch him run this chapter into the ground. I applaud the efforts by everyone over the last 2 years (yes it has been 2 years) to get Troy to listen to reason and to listen to the people he looks up to, but he refuses to do so. He is his own worst enemy and he is showing no signs of any remorse or any signs of changing his ways.

So Dan I completely agree with you on this subject, there is nothing that can be done barring removal from the club.

Bryan C.

I see how I'm annoying on the Chapter threads, but as has been said, don't keeping putting gas on the fire. If you have something to say to me, just pm me. I respond very well to that. I've been stubborn and haven't gone away after repeated threats, teasing, etc, but I don't very well back down too much anyways. I'm sorry that you and others view me as a detriment to the Sierra Chapter. I'll really try to keep my posts here to a minimum. I do however think that I've brought up some good points in regards to the GK situation.

I had a lot of fun at the Hollister run and am really appreciative for you Bryan and Skipper for getting a new alternator in my Jeep at the end of the day. You really saved my butt and am sorry to be such a pain in 1 to you guys. I know how the search feature works and how a good thread can be brought to nothing so please pm when when you think I'm getting out of line, or just put me on your ignor list. I need a slap once in awhile to get back in line. Again, those that have met me know I'm not trying to cause trouble, but know that I find it quite easily around here. Peace out. :wave:

Troy

 

[dandecicco]

Thanks for the reply Bryan. My intent was not to focus on just one person and I am guilty of getting on the band wagon too. I have also notcied a decline in people in the chapter. Mostly it is just the same people over and over again. Now that you mentioned it, people are fleeing like rats on a sinking ship. Drastic actions may or may not be in order. But that would be up to a vote I guess or just a poll at least. A red member would probably have to do something like that.

 

[Big Red]

Thanks for the reply Bryan. My intent was not to focus on just one person and I am guilty of getting on the band wagon too. I have also notcied a decline in people in the chapter. Mostly it is just the same people over and over again. Now that you mentioned it, people are fleeing like rats on a sinking ship. Drastic actions may or may not be in order. But that would be up to a vote I guess or just a poll at least. A red member would probably have to do something like that.

I have seen lots of people in this chapter lurking, maybe too afraid of posting for fear of being flamed like on Pirate.

I'm addicted to this web site to learn and share, not to annoy.
I'll take a little break from the Sierra Chapter, again I'm sorry, I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin. I have learned alot from this site and look forward to meeting all of you in the future on trail runs and future meet and greets. My mad typing skillz and propensity to ask lots of questions has gotten me in trouble once again. :gag:

 

[Bryan C.]

I have also notcied a decline in people in the chapter. Mostly it is just the same people over and over again. Now that you mentioned it, people are fleeing like rats on a sinking ship.

The Sierra Chapter used to be by far the most used Chapter forum on . Not anymore. It seems like the constant bickering has turned off alot of people. Think about how many new people have been turned off from the club? How many more good people are we going to lose? I am tired of the problems. Jes has been made a babysitter for the last 2 years and I do not plan on doing the same thing. This is all a bunch of needless crap that will amount to nothing if action isn't taken.

I honestly care about this club and want to see it grow. I won't let anyone get in the way, nobody is above the club and everyone needs to understand it is a priveledge to post on this forum, and not a right!

 

[Bryan C.]

I have seen lots of people in this chapter lurking, maybe too afraid of posting for fear of being flamed like on Pirate.

I'm addicted to this web site to learn and share, not to annoy.
I'll take a little break from the Sierra Chapter, again I'm sorry, I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin. I have learned alot from this site and look forward to meeting all of you in the future on trail runs and future meet and greets. My mad typing skillz and propensity to ask lots of questions has gotten me in trouble once again. :gag:

My suggestion is to sell your XJ or find another club.

 

[Big Red]

My suggestion is to sell your XJ or find another club.

I have 3 for sale if anyone is interested. Not having an XJ hasn't stopped others from posting in this Chapter, what makes you think it will stop me from posting??? I didn't mean this sarcastically. We love having you David, Dan, Billy, etc. around here, I know I do.

Again I'm not trying to be a problem, I'll try to tread lightly for a while. Enough said.

 

[Jes]

My patience is at an end.

If you have something to say to me, just pm me. I respond very well to that.

You are lying. Just like you LIED about not having multiple user accounts. You even tried to lie about it to the BOD. You never should have been let back in, you should have been banned for life.

I have seen lots of people in this chapter lurking, maybe too afraid of posting for fear of being flamed like on Pirate.

I'd like to see an instance where a newb was flamed around here.
Your negative comments are not welcome here.

I'll take a little break from the Sierra Chapter, again I'm sorry, I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin.

You have shown in the past you will never take anyone's advice including yourself and you've already nullified the above quote since you are already back posting.
I'm not going to give you a hint or a clue as there is no use. :banghead:

 

[Letterman]

Dan,

I was sent a few PM’s from others about posting up my last run and asking why I would do so in public, because of fear that he would show up some did not want to go out on that run. As some of us saw that thread is now gone, I will no longer post up any run because of this one person. Also you can see that we no longer can post up our junk for sale in this one chapter because of the over use and abuse from this one individual.
He can not be stopped, he was asked over 7 times to not post the ignorant questions on the gate keeper thread, I guess he thinks the simple thoughts we all have are some new and useful break through information. I have come to the belief that he is not right in the head, and he must have a mental handicap. Any normal person when told by others to “please stop” at first, and then to be told “STOP NOW” and this still does not stop must be mentally retarded.
I have come to think that the only way to deal with him is to believe he is mentally emotionally and maybe physically handicap. Once you understand that then you can read his posts as if they come from a retarded individual. With this belief in mind who would go out of there way to pick on the handicap, one must just let it go and understand he does not know any better. We can’t help him because he does not listen, so there for we must understand he is beyond learning, he is beyond understanding and he is beyond acting how the rest of the group does. I can understand why one would not listen to me, but he has made it clear he dose not want to listen to even the smarter people of this group.
I for one have lost it with him more then one time and I was asked not to fill the board with hate for him. So from now on all I can do is read his posts with a BigRedTard Filter (BRTF), and hope he leaves, as it has become all too clear he dose not want to listen to you or me or anyone else on this board.
David (BRTF is on)

 

[Letterman]

I have 3 for sale if anyone is interested.

Oh and on a lighter note:

Ban him for trying to sell stuff in the chapter!!!!! :kissyou: hasta

 

[dandecicco]

Oh and on a lighter note:

Ban him for trying to sell stuff in the chapter!!!!! :kissyou: hasta

please see this thread: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=71205

 

[Matt S.]

I am not one to choose sides. But those who know me know I am a sensitive and really nice guy. I just want to let those people know that may read this that do lurk and don't post, that the Sierra Chapter is the best damn part of . No one else is like us. We have thee MOST experienced, versatile, knowledgeable, and KIND group probably in ANY club like organization. If you are lucky enough to have the opportunity to be in our chapter, please join us!

With the new elects coming into office very soon, expect a lot of changes. For the better of course. BryanC. will take NO CRAP FROM ANYONE. The three of us, Bryan Phil and I, want this chapter to be what is was. Since is a paid privilege do not forget those privileges can be removed for a short time, or forever. Being such a forgiving club though has let some stay that should not be here at all.

Just remember why we are all here. To have fun as friends on the trails and in our local areas.

Matt

 

[westsacxj]

i plan on joining. ive been lurkin for quite a while. there are always a questionable few who give others a bad name. i know that this chapter is a good one. Im on dissability right now (brokin tib/fib) so i can not join and pay my fees just yet. Hopefully i can soon. ive been waiting for quite some time to go some runs. They always look like a blast. their is a great group of guys in this chapter.

 

[CRASH]

I share the same frustrations as the rest of you. Specifically, I think David is correct in his assessment. I've met BR in person, ran Fordyce with him in our group, even bought a few tires from him. I guess I was hoping he would be better in-person than online (which is the case with many folks). In short, I was giving him the benefit of doubt, hoping he would come around.

At first, I thought it was just a case of over-enthusiasm on his part; the never ending questions, the useless posts, the ignoring of rules. But, after repeated warnings, TO's and gentle advice, the mind-numbing posts continue. I am at wit's end.

The other's on this thread are correct, his presence REALLY killed our run schedule this year. The fact is, no one wants to post a run or a meet and greet for fear of BR showing up. This has been a great detriment to new members, as we used to have M&G's every month in various locations.

TROY,

Your presence online is tolerable for a little while, and people can certainly filter you with the ignore feature. I can tolerate your presence here, as long as you follow the rules. However, your attendance at events is going ot kill this club. Please refrain from attending M&G's and runs. I have no way to enforce this request; it's not in the bylaws, or any other such thing. I ask you for the health of the club to limit your presence to the forums, at least for a couple of years. I hope in this time, you can see how normal people interact with each other, proper online etiquette, and perhaps you can get some time wrenching and repairing your Jeep. In short, lay low for a while and maybe run with the Boony Bouncers for a while so you can gain some social skills in a club environment.

Andy

 

[Big Red]

I share the same frustrations as the rest of you. Specifically, I think David is correct in his assessment. I've met BR in person, ran Fordyce with him in our group, even bought a few tires from him. I guess I was hoping he would be better in-person than online (which is the case with many folks). In short, I was giving him the benefit of doubt, hoping he would come around.

At first, I thought it was just a case of over-enthusiasm on his part; the never ending questions, the useless posts, the ignoring of rules. But, after repeated warnings, TO's and gentle advice, the mind-numbing posts continue. I am at wit's end.

The other's on this thread are correct, his presence REALLY killed our run schedule this year. The fact is, no one wants to post a run or a meet and greet for fear of BR showing up. This has been a great detriment to new members, as we used to have M&G's every month in various locations.

TROY,

Your presence online is tolerable for a little while, and people can certainly filter you with the ignore feature. I can tolerate your presence here, as long as you follow the rules. However, your attendance at events is going ot kill this club. Please refrain from attending M&G's and runs. I have no way to enforce this request; it's not in the bylaws, or any other such thing. I ask you for the health of the club to limit your presence to the forums, at least for a couple of years. I hope in this time, you can see how normal people interact with each other, proper online etiquette, and perhaps you can get some time wrenching and repairing your Jeep. In short, lay low for a while and maybe run with the Boony Bouncers for a while so you can gain some social skills in a club environment.

Andy

Thanks Andy for your heart felt comments, I appreciate your time in writing this and how kind you came across in your delivery. I did and still am very over eager, I have a very bad case of Jeepitis and this website. The info and brotherhood is great here, but it is just an appetizer for the runs and the meet and greets. That's where's it's at. I'll buy a round of drinks for the people that show up next meet and greet or run and make it worth your while. I will also keep my :gag: shut and not be a pain.

I did enjoy meeting you and am very eager to run with guys the caliber of you, Jes, Farmer Matt, Goatman. It kills me to think that people think as bad as you and David are saying where people don't want to post and go on runs and do meet and greets for fear of having me be there. I can assure you that I'm in no way the person I come across on line as I am in person. I know I have gotten the warnings and I've been very stubborn and haven't taken the hint. I tried to play this off as many others have found it quite amuzing at 1st and now just a major irritant. I will honestly limit my feedback in this chapter, but have been dying to go on as many trail runs as I can in this Chapter. The Fordyce run that was put on last summer was the best run I have ever been on even though it turned into 19 hrs straight on the trail. The .org site is also the best website I've been on with so much knowledge, great people, and an awesome Sierra Chapter that has many of the biggest names in the XJ world.

I will lay low and hopefully in time regain my reputation around here.

And to you people lurking too afraid of posting up....come out of the wood work, you are missing out on a great thing here. Sorry to ruin it for you.

Troy

 

[SeanP]

Well, it's finally been put to words. I have been thinking this for a while too.

Back in 2000, Andy and Keven and I met over beers wanting to start this chapter. Then we met jes. and we built billys rig (RIP). and Phils. and JT. We had a lot of fun. I terribly miss the camraderie that we had, going to pizza and then back to keven's for beers and bullshitting. Random guys would come, Opie, scooter (with the pink shocks). even Box Turtle in that beautiful green 97 that mine was as clean as one day.

Once Keven moved, we lost a real cohesive bond. Some might say it was the convenient place right off of HWY50, but I know better. Keven's heart really drove this chapter and there has been a void since he packed-up-the-truck-and-moved-to-beverly.

Lately, I have wanted to start the M&G's at the Mountain Mikes in Rocklin by my house and have the guys over afterwards for generous amounts of sh*ttalking. I know everyone would make fun of my lack of progress in my rig and my horrible welds. So what I miss the crew.

However, I lived in fear of BR showing up, at my house no less. I have so little time for my jeep stuff, I don't want a clueless know-it-all killing the good times. Seriously, Crash said it: We have lost the soul of this chapter and one socially disinclined misanthrope has prevented us from getting together more. That is not acceptable.

Troy, I am sorry man. But it sounds like 99% of the folks here think you are an asshat who cant get a clue. I know this is all hurtful, but it's said now. I want to start advertising runs and M&Gs again and Troy, I would request that you don't attend unless invited by a quorom. OK?

Sorry to get all sappy, I want to M&G on a regular basis again in Nor Cal.

SeanP

 

[HTeK]

Thanks Andy for your heart felt comments, I appreciate your time in writing this and how kind you came across in your delivery. I did and still am very over eager, I have a very bad case of Jeepitis and this website. The info and brotherhood is great here, but it is just an appetizer for the runs and the blah blah blah nobody f'n cares blah blah

Troy

OK, I have lost all hope... you see, this post right here is your problem. It was unnecessary, you made this statement in your last 2 posts. Its the same damn message, only restated. So please, just READ the rest of this thread, take it to heart, and allow it to help you grow -- just dont, just DONT FAWKIN RESPOND unless a specific question is directed at you. We all know your sorry, we all know you think is great, we all know you look up to the big guys here... WE ALL KNOW!

However, I must take a minute to thank you BR. As a relative newb, its difficult to approach and fit into a group such as this. As such, I have spent the last few years reading. Some would consider me the "lurker" you described. However, i am not afraid to post. Its just that I, like you, have absolutely nothing of value to add 99% of the time - so i dont post. Trust me BR, I am just as eager as you, but look at my post count for the past 2+ years (and I visit damn near EVERY DAY). I thank you for setting the example for me NOT to follow.

I sincerly hope that you will someday learn from this...

-jm

And a friendly reminder, no need to respond...

 

[Phil]

I am sorry that it had to come to this. I do think that it is good, though, that we're addressing what has happened to the chapter...and apparantly, nobody is holding back. I still hope that Troy will learn to critically evaluate his posts before hitting the "Submit Reply" button, but sadly, I'm not expecting it.

Troy, I am asking you to please take it easy and control yourself, because I think it sucks that any member should be asked to not participate. I don't mean to be on a high horse, because I see their point and I agree.

I think it will take a LOT of work for you to be accepted - if that is possible anymore - and part of that will be NOT a lot of posts.

 

[Letterman]

...and apparantly, nobody is holding back.

I held back! hasta


:gag: